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Post by Logg » Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:44 pm

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There could be a program devised that would connect job seekers in Trumpland with employers in big cities. There could be grants given for people to move to industrialized areas.
Having white reservations like Appalachia is not good for the country and not good for the poor white people there.
A program could be devised. It's like building an app! Problem solved!

Is there a program for white job seekers and another program for non-white job seekers? Race seems to be a core component of your platform. First you mention the South, now you mention Appalachia...same difference, or are you moving the goalposts in order to keep your race-specific message intact?

"Having white reservations like Appalachia is not good for the country and not good for the poor white people there."
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Re: Elizabeth Warren to Run for President?

Post by Logg » Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:46 pm

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I think ending food stamps would be a good idea.
Newt Gingrich, Paul Ryan, eat your hearts out.

Or do you still just mean for white people?

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Re: Elizabeth Warren to Run for President?

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I think ending food stamps would be a good idea.
Wow!

How about ending free health care for illegal aliens, in perpetuity?
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Post by cuchulainn » Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:52 pm

I think universal basic income would be better than programs like food stamps.
Southern white people are opposed to immigration yet they want to stay in Possum Holler. Jobs are not coming to Possum Holler. They should be encouraged to move. Yes, with UBI many people would stay in Possum Holler but those who want to improve their lot should be helped.
I also believe in Medicare for All and amnesty for illegals.
Employers who hire illegals should face jail time and fines.

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I also believe in Medicare for All and amnesty for illegals.
Employers who hire illegals should face jail time and fines.
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Re: Elizabeth Warren to Run for President?

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cuchulainn wrote:
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I think universal basic income would be better than programs like food stamps.
Southern white people are opposed to immigration yet they want to stay in Possum Holler. Jobs are not coming to Possum Holler. They should be encouraged to move. Yes, with UBI many people would stay in Possum Holler but those who want to improve their lot should be helped.
I also believe in Medicare for All and amnesty for illegals.
Employers who hire illegals should face jail time and fines.
Southern...Appalachian....what's the difference, right? Immigration, illegal immigration, what's the difference, right?

What about southern people of color? I guess they're all in favor of immigration? Maybe your 'program' could have a box for people to check. If they're in favor of immigration, they're allowed to stay in Possum Holler. But if they wonder whether you mean illegal or legal immigration, then they're asking too many questions, and they have to relocate.

Why do you think food stamps in place of money handouts came about in the first place? What happens when you give somebody a universal income and they spend it all on things that don't feed the family? Is there a program for that? Yes there is: Food stamps.

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Re: Elizabeth Warren to Run for President?

Post by cuchulainn » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:23 pm

I can see a use for food stamps. However, it is not helping anybody to funnel government largesse to rural whitey so they can sit on their homestead and get fatter.

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I also believe in Medicare for All and amnesty for illegals.
So you want to keep incentivizing illegal aliens to keep coming?

You still don't get it. Amnesty was tried when there were only four million. Now there are 22 million more.
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Post by cuchulainn » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:33 pm

Yes, but what was supposed to accompany Reagan's amnesty were fines and punishments for employers.
Make hiring illegals a crime. Fine the shit out of employers and throw them in jail.
That is what Australia does.

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And yet you vote for the Dumbocrats who prevent that.
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Re: Elizabeth Warren to Run for President?

Post by cuchulainn » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:46 pm

Republicans want to shut down immigration entirely and they have zero desire to punish employers who hire illegals.

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Incorrect. Many Pubes love the cheap labor, from Reagan on down to Eddie Munster and the Kentucky Goober.
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Lost Soul wrote:
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Incorrect. Many Pubes love the cheap labor, from Reagan on down to Eddie Munster and the Kentucky Goober.
Including trump. Don’t forget trump.
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Post by Godjira » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:34 am

They probably bus the Mexicans and Central Americans from Morristown straight down 287 to Bedminster.
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flojin wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:21 am
Lost Soul wrote:
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Incorrect. Many Pubes love the cheap labor, from Reagan on down to Eddie Munster and the Kentucky Goober.
Including trump. Don’t forget trump.
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Post by Annotated » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:29 pm

Saw this on The Donald's Twitter feed.

Pretty funny.

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That's pretty good, Anno.
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Can you imagine the hideousness of one’s existence if they found that funny?
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I hope when cuchulainn runs for President he hires logg as an advisor.

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cuchulainn wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:33 pm
Make hiring illegals a crime. Fine the shit out of employers and throw them in jail.
That is what Australia does.
It’s what we should do, but we don’t, really. Or not enough.

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Post by Ped_Yai » Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:27 am

The Pubes Embrace the Stupid Once Again

The Republican National Committee is calling for disciplinary action against Sen. Elizabeth Warren, one day after a new report revealed the Democratic presidential candidate listed her race as “American Indian” more than three decades ago in a registration form filed with the Texas State Bar.

What a bunch of dolts.

When this story broke yesterday the first question I had was "does this contradict any specific statement by Warren as to when she first claimed to be an Indian?" No one in the press seems to have bothered with this question.

Then I saw some giddy suggestions that misstating ethnicity on the Bar form was a "felony" because the bar form was a "government document."

It occurred to me that if there was a place for stating ethnicity on the form in 1986 it probably had some disclaimer along the lines of "this data is for statistical purposes only." Because nearly ever adult has run across that.

Sure enough, that's what the Texas State Bar form says. The only value anyone can get out of this is to show that Lizzy was fudging, if the existence of this form actually contradicts something she'd said in the past. The idea that she'd be disciplined by the Texas State Bar Association for this, assuming it even has disciplinary powers, is ridiculous. Doing this will look like piling on, and allow Warren to victimhood the story.

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Post by WhosieWho » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:08 am

Fake Injun.

She denied she did this sort of thing, but she did.

WaPo gave her a week or so notice, so she apologized to the Tribes.

Growing up (in the last 40 yrs or so) anyone else know any Fake Injuns?



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Apparently she fabricated a Native American ancestry to get preferential treatment in academic and political circles.
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I'm not too familiar with this story. Did she claim "tribal heritage"?
She calimed that she had been told as a child that one of her great-grandmothers was wholly or partly of Cherokee ancestry.
Whether she claimed "Tribal Status" is utterly immaterial to the point: she pretended to be Native American on professional documents (presumably, for selfish gain.)

It seems rather likely she did so at Harvard, also.
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It occurred to me that if there was a place for stating ethnicity on the form in 1986 it probably had some disclaimer along the lines of "this data is for statistical purposes only." Because nearly ever adult has run across that.

Sure enough, that's what the Texas State Bar form says. The only value anyone can get out of this is to show that Lizzy was fudging, if the existence of this form actually contradicts something she'd said in the past. The idea that she'd be disciplined by the Texas State Bar Association for this, assuming it even has disciplinary powers, is ridiculous. Doing this will look like piling on, and allow Warren to victimhood the story.
She was merely gaming the affirmative action system, which she has done her entire life. Because the racist Dumbs are a bunch of racists.

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Fake Injun.

She denied she did this sort of thing, but she did.

WaPo gave her a week or so notice, so she apologized to the Tribes.

Growing up (in the last 40 yrs or so) anyone else know any Fake Injuns?
Beto is a fake Indian. It seems the racist Dumbs really like to be fake Indians and blacks (hello Rachel Dolezal). Or they are just desperate to hide their evil whiteness.
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Post by Godjira » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:48 am

You're whole life has been affirmative action, Sloosey. You'd be in jail or dead, or both, if you were black or Hispanic or red Indian.
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Post by Chip_Oatley » Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:41 am

One of my doctor's offices has me down as Native American. I swear, I didn't check that box.

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You're whole life has been affirmative action, Sloosey.
In my next life I'm going to teach Engrish.
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Post by Godjira » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:04 am

The best you can ever hope to do in life is point out typos.

Meanwhile, I will point out your errors in fact. Like saying that the Indiana Klan was Democrat or that Ashkenazi Jews are all descended from a Russian king.
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WhosieWho wrote:
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Growing up (in the last 40 yrs or so) anyone else know any Fake Injuns?
I know bunches of them. Got one neighbor likes to lay claim to a Comanche grandfather and seems to think his first wife (of 4) being 1/8 Seminole qualifies him as a tribal member. He's just full of native wisdom.
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Post by Chip_Oatley » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:01 am

Niner has said he has NA blood. A lot of people with family from that area of the country hear stories about a "full-blooded great-great grandparent." Eliz Warren is correct that she did have a NA ancestor, based on her DNA test. But to put it down as her primary race in 1986?

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Post by Chip_Oatley » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:02 am

I don't think she was seeking advantages. I think she thought it was exotic.

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Post by VinnyD » Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:15 pm

Steve in Exile got his DNA done to see if the stories about his having Native American Ancestry were true . Unlike Warren's case, the results showed nothing consistent with Native American ancestry.

LS, I am not sure I understand you correctly. Are you saying that having Native American ancestry gave you a leg up on admission to the Texas Bar? Would you mind producing a shred of evidence for that claim?

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Post by Lost Soul » Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:14 pm

Vinny, it helped her get every job she ever had.
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Post by VinnyD » Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:50 pm

You didn't answer my question.

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Post by Lost Soul » Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:54 pm

Vinny, when are you and the rest of the racist Democrats (redundant), going to start judging people based on the content of their character rather than the color of their skin?
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Post by VinnyD » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:03 pm

See above post.

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Post by WhosieWho » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:23 pm

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I don't think she was seeking advantages. I think she thought it was exotic.
It isn't only claimimg "Tribal Status"; we never heard that term until the mid 90s. It also INCLUDES minority set-asides, which are real.

For example, a mediocre student -of rather obvious Irish Catholic descent- claimed to be Native American and wore exotic gear sometimes. He got a $40,000 yr scholarship to an elite private school! He was also a Fake Injun.

Fake Injuns are grifters; why can you not see this? Probably in same category as schemers claiming to be Vietnam War vets, first responders at 9-11 sites, etc. It's a red flag for psychopathy! Not that everyone selfish is, obv.
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Post by Ped_Yai » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:33 pm

"She was merely gaming the affirmative action system"

Not by filling out that Texas bar form. It is NOT an application to be admitted to the Texas bar. Such application would be much longer and more detailed, and would include questions going to moral fitness, such as whether one had ever been arrested, convicted, etc., of a crime.

ETA: And bar admissions are not competitive. You either meet the qualifications, by passing an exam and having good moral character, or you don't. Your race is absolutely irrelevant.

That form is basically a registry form so the bar knows your identity and where you are located.

The form says the race part is for statistical purposes only. There is no possibility that the answer to that question is going to give anyone any advantage or cause any disadvantage in how it is filled out.

I fill out, on average, maybe half a dozen forms every year for myself or the Ped Nois where there are "race" boxes you can fill out or not. Most allow for multiple selections or have a "2 or more" or "mixed" category, or a "decline to state". You can also leave the whole thing blank. None of them convey or withhold any benefit based on the answer.

Once in a while the form will include "Lao". What they really mean, but don't state, is "refugee from Laos, including Hmong and Iu Mien not ethnically Lao".

Northeast Thailand is full of ethnic Lao people who the category is NOT meant to cover, but who could truthfully state they are Lao, which might in some case qualify them for an advantage, but the ethnic bean counters in the US who frame the questions either don't know this or don't care.

I asked Mrs. Ped if the small ethnic Thai portion of her ancestry was actually Lao. She said No. So I don't check it for the Ped Nois. Even if she was 1/4 or 1/8 Lao It would be really stretching things if I did.
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So why did Elizabeth Warren assume a NA 'identity'?

Post by WhosieWho » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:42 pm

She did! Then she claimed she didn't (NinnyD and a few f*cktard still believe that.)

People in Boston -we live here- correctly assume she did it to get ahead, advantageously. That pisses off real NAs; rightly so.
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Post by VinnyD » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:44 pm

She did what, Whosie? Gained some advantage with respect to admission to the Texas bar by claiming Native American ancestry?

I am afraid you are wrong.

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Harvard, etc.

Post by WhosieWho » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:45 pm

You're really that dim, are you?

The Texas Bar was not a one-off, hon.
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Post by VinnyD » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:49 pm

So back to my question then. She did what?

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No, we're back to this

Post by WhosieWho » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:56 pm

VinnyD wrote:
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Apparently she fabricated a Native American ancestry to get preferential treatment in academic and political circles.
Links, please.
She claimed she didnt do this sort of thing, but she did.

She sunk her chance at the Presidency, doubling down on that faked DNA test. Like the fake Indian claim. (Her own relatives long ago dispute her 'version' of this 'ancestry story': Not Good.) Bub-bye!
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Post by VinnyD » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:00 pm

That's pretty vague, Whosie. I don't know how to argue with that. What sort of thing? When did she make the claim? What did she say? When had she done what she denied doing? Be specific.

Alternatively, admit you have nothing. Or just shut up.

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Elizabeth Warren didn't 'check any boxes' tho

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Post by VinnyD » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:42 pm

And when did she deny having done that?

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Post by Ped_Yai » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:47 pm

VinnyD wrote:
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And when did she deny having done that?
As I said about twenty posts up:

When this story broke yesterday the first question I had was "does this contradict any specific statement by Warren as to when she first claimed to be an Indian?" No one in the press seems to have bothered with this question.



I haven't seen an answer yet. I haven't even seen the question asked in the press.
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Post by VinnyD » Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:56 pm

Whosie will list all the specific statements in a minute or two. Patience.

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Post by matt_melb » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:15 am

If you had disclosed a particular ‘race’ on a bar application form, and consented to its disclosure, might not the bar association at some point make that public, for the benefit of people who are concerned to practice diversity in their decisions to hire lawyers?

My recollection is that the English Law Society (I used to have an English practising certificate, but no longer) did something like that.

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Post by VinnyD » Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:47 pm

Matt, not when the line above the question says the information will not be disclosed to any person withut the express written permission of the attorney. And this was not a bar application form.

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Post by Lost Soul » Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:01 pm

Her issue is a lot bigger than ticking the box on her bar form. She ticked the box her whole adult life to get work, right up until Trump called her Pocahontas.

While she should be apologizing for lying her entire adult life, she isn't. Instead she is deflecting the apology to the tribe. She's a weasel, as her siblings attest.
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