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Does Trump Have an Electoral Mandate to Build The Wall?

Post by Argonheart_Po » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:19 pm

If any politician has a mandate to do something it’s this.

They should build it.
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Post by BulletPark » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:21 pm

No. He doesn't.

They shouldn't.

And they won't.

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Post by CatScanMan » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:22 pm

He lost by millions of votes.

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Post by Argonheart_Po » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:24 pm

He has a mandate to build the wall.

Just as Obama had a mandate, and I said so at the time, to introduce Obamacare.
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Post by BulletPark » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:27 pm

Argonheart_Po wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:24 pm
He has a mandate to build the wall.
I realize you're a very stupid cunt, so is it possible you don't know what "mandate" means?

It doesn't mean when Trump and Putin have some them-time.

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Post by eric84 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:41 pm

Argonheart_Po wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:24 pm
He has a mandate to build the wall.

Just as Obama had a mandate, and I said so at the time, to introduce Obamacare.
Hey, remember when chastised Obama for not closing Gitmo when he had the chance? Well, same thing: he had control of Congress for 2 years and didn't do it. The Dems even offered to fund the wall for DACA, he said no. In the mean time, he campaigned in the midterms on scary caravans and voters rejected his border control message.

He fucked up and there's no reason now to give him anything on the wall.
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Post by cowtown » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:11 pm

CatScanMan wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:22 pm
He lost by millions of votes.

Trump's dumb shit never ends.
yep

the 'national emergency' is Trump can't deliver on a campaign promise and even if congress were to give him the 5 billion, it'd still be a failure to keep the promise because it's not paid for by Mexico nor would it cover the entire boarder
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CatScanMan wrote:
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He lost by millions of votes.

Trump's dumb shit never ends.
You don't understand the electoral system.
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Post by Logg » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:20 pm

Idiotic, vacuous reasoning.

The Republicans resisted Obama's "mandate" with every fiber of their being. Trump's "mandate," The Wall, is apparently nothing more than a mnemonic created by aides to help him remember to talk about his platform of border security at campaign rallies. It's a nebulous thing that not even his own party will fund. And on top of that, he lost the popular vote by a truly substantial margin.

Maybe somebody who actually knew how to negotiate would have handled it better than Trump did. But guess what? Trump is a shit negotiator. He agrees with the last person he spoke to, because he has no attention span, which is why the Republicans are in this budget mess today.

But more broadly, Trump is a shit negotiator because he doesn't know how to negotiate. He knows how to praise those he's currying or has received favor from, and attack and intimidate those who oppose him. His supporters like that.

What did you think about the urgent email his campaign sent out to Trump supporters in the guise of Wall money? And you think this guy deserves a mandate. Sorry, bullies don't always win, and while you will spend the rest of the post-Trump years vociferously denying you ever supported him, posts like this will be a reminder of where you stood when this anti-democratic buffoon was handed the reins to the most important office in the world.

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Post by shunter » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:56 pm

The mandate argument I get for political parties winning a majority in a uk election with an explicit manifesto pledge - but only in the context of the Salisbury convention that says the unelected lords can’t block a majority government manifesto pledge being enacted indefinitely.

In the American system where both houses and the president are elected it’s a straight fight for the agenda and legislation
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Post by Godjira » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:28 pm

I say give him 50 billion, and when he blows that load and in 2 years when not a dent has been made illegal immigration, they can stick his hideous orange face in it.
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Post by shunter » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:35 pm

Is that visa shutdown no Muslims etc thing still going on
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Post by northern_goddess » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:35 pm

He ran on having Mexico pay for the wall. So if he has any 'electoral mandate' it's to build a wall that Mexico is paying for and that the American taxpayer is not paying for.
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Post by Godjira » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:40 pm

shunter wrote:Is that visa shutdown no Muslims etc thing still going on
I think that was only for a few months, until the new (albeit non-existent) vetting procedures were implemented.

Of course, you can be sure the terrorists are taking advantage of the shutdown!
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Post by 2wilzgood » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:03 pm

Electoral Mandate = political capital

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Argonheart_Po wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:19 pm
If any politician has a mandate to do something it’s this.

They should build it.
Yes, he has a mandate to build a wall that Mexico pays for. No need for the US Congress to appropriate any money to fulfill that mandate.

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Post by VinnyD » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:11 pm

Hey, remember when chastised Obama for not closing Gitmo when he had the chance? Well, same thing: he had control of Congress for 2 years and didn't do it.
Congress, which is never controlled by the president, passed legislation by veto-proof majorities forbidding the transfer of detainees from Guantánamo to the United States.

What do you think Obama should have done in the face of that?

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Post by Godjira » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:28 pm

Trump also promised terrific, affordable healthcare for all while campaigning. Where’s that?
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Godjira wrote:
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Trump also promised terrific, affordable healthcare for all while campaigning. Where’s that?
It’s coming, well at least in NYC. Fox heads are exploding at the thought of this socialist idea, hilariously saying that the Democrats are going waayyyyyy to far to the left with all this progressive thinking.
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Post by 2wilzgood » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:14 am

Ted Cruz, you know, Lyin' Ted Cruz, sat grinning

At his side

At the border

Where the wall is needed

Lyin' Ted and the wall
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Post by Godjira » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:44 am

Bitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham don't have mandates either. F those scuzzbags.
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Post by Flobster! » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:22 am

If Trump has a mandate to build the wall, presumably the Reps has a more recent mandate to block the wall.
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Post by Godjira » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:27 am

You would need at least 350- at least, hopefully 400 to really act like it- electoral votes to be considered as having a mandate, if you want to ignore the popular vote.
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Post by Argonheart_Po » Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:35 am

He definitely has an electoral mandate to build the wall.
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Argonheart_Po wrote:
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He definitely has an electoral mandate to build the wall.
Across private property/national parks? Do you agree with this!
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Post by Godjira » Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:52 am

Argonheart_Po wrote:He definitely has an electoral mandate to build the wall.
You’re just making stuff up.

But even if this wild nonsense were true, it means he had a mandate for terrific affordable healthcare for all.

Where the F is it??

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Post by VinnyD » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:57 am

Argonheart_Po wrote:
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He definitely has an electoral mandate to build the wall.
You mean as long as Mexico pays for it, right?

Did he ever promise to b.uild a wall with US taxpayer money? Link?

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Post by Godjira » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:48 pm

Obama had like 60 more electoral votes and millions more popular votes.

Trump has a mandate to do his best and not completely fail, and that is about it. He should work on bringing people together and forget about thinking he has a mandate. That's hubris of the right today. Be less awful, huh?
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Post by cuchulainn » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:54 pm

Trump promised maybe a hundred times, that Mexico would pay for the wall. He has no mandate to force the electorate to pay for the wall.

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Post by Flobster! » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:57 pm

Trump is onto it! A tweet:

"I often said during rallies, with little variation, that “Mexico will pay for the Wall.” We have just signed a great new Trade Deal with Mexico. It is Billions of Dollars a year better than the very bad NAFTA deal which it replaces. The difference pays for Wall many times over!"
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Post by Argonheart_Po » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:28 pm

He said he wanted to build the wall if he was elected.

He was elected.

They should build the wall.
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Argonheart_Po wrote:
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He said he wanted to build the wall if he was elected.

He was elected.

They should build the wall.
Waited too long, didn’t he? Like gitmo. You had somewhat different opinion about that.
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Post by Godjira » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:39 pm

He said all kinds of bullshit.

And, on top of that, many members of the House and even the Senate were elected after saying that they opposed Trump's wall. Why should they go against the desires of their constituents? It's not fair. The US is not a dictatorship of the Executive Branch.
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:36 pm
Argonheart_Po wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:28 pm
He said he wanted to build the wall if he was elected.

He was elected.

They should build the wall.
Waited too long, didn’t he? Like gitmo. You had somewhat different opinion about that.
Obama had a mandate to shut down Gitmo.

Trump has a mandate to build the wall.
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Post by BulletPark » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:50 pm

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Post by flojin » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:09 pm

Argonheart_Po wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:35 am
He definitely has an electoral mandate to build the wall.
And congress has a mandate to block his wall. That's how co-equal branches of government work. They are blocking his wall, and so he's refusing to pass any budget that opens the government. He does not have a mandate to shut down the government.
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flojin wrote:
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He definitely has an electoral mandate to build the wall.
And congress has a mandate to block his wall. That's how co-equal branches of government work. They are blocking his wall, and so he's refusing to pass any budget that opens the government. He does not have a mandate to shut down the government.
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Post by AntiFelix » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:56 pm

No, he doesn't have a mandate. He won the election with several million fewer votes than his opponent, and most Americans do not want a border wall. They still don't. It's a retarded idea, and you are a retard for embracing it. Fuck off, and shit in your hand. Mexico is a lovely place, and the net flow of migration is toward Mexico from the US.

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Argonheart_Po wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:28 pm
He said he wanted to build the wall if he was elected.

He was elected.

They should build the wall.
He said Mexico would pay for it, every time he mentioned it.

He should get Mexico to pay for it or shut up about it already.

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Argonheart_Po wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:35 pm
eric84 wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:36 pm
Argonheart_Po wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:28 pm
He said he wanted to build the wall if he was elected.

He was elected.

They should build the wall.
Waited too long, didn’t he? Like gitmo. You had somewhat different opinion about that.
Obama had a mandate to shut down Gitmo.

Trump has a mandate to build the wall.
Congrss stopped aobama from shutting down Gitmo, as the constitution allowed them to do. Same here.

75% of Americans say that building the wall should not be a high priority.

I notice that your only argument for building the wall is that Trump said he would (while never saying that taxpayers would pay for it). So you think the wall is actually a good thing or not? Do you think it is important enough to justify shutting down the government in order to try to get it?

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Waited too long, didn’t he? Like gitmo. You had somewhat different opinion about that.
Obama had a mandate to shut down Gitmo.

Trump has a mandate to build the wall.
Congrss stopped aobama from shutting down Gitmo, as the constitution allowed them to do. Same here.

75% of Americans say that building the wall should not be a high priority.

I notice that your only argument for building the wall is that Trump said he would (while never saying that taxpayers would pay for it). So you think the wall is actually a good thing or not? Do you think it is important enough to justify shutting down the government in order to try to get it?
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Post by BulletPark » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:09 pm

Yeah, I'm guessing his family vacation ended with the kids telling him to fuck off once again and he's here to lick his own wounds the only way he knows how.

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Argonheart_Po wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:35 pm
eric84 wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:36 pm
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:28 pm
He said he wanted to build the wall if he was elected.

He was elected.

They should build the wall.
Waited too long, didn’t he? Like gitmo. You had somewhat different opinion about that.
Obama had a mandate to shut down Gitmo.

Trump has a mandate to build the wall.
You've changed your mind about this then since the Gitmo discussion. Why the change of heart with Trumpiedoodle in charge?
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He won the election with several million fewer votes than his opponent,
Another tard who doesn't understand the electoral system.
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Annotated wrote:
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He won the election with several million fewer votes than his opponent,
Another tard who doesn't understand the electoral system.
This is a discussion about mandates, not the electoral system.
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Annotated wrote:
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AntiFelix wrote:
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He won the election with several million fewer votes than his opponent,
Another tard who doesn't understand the electoral system.
Dipshitticus cumdumpster, read again where I said "He won the election[.]" Then gargle.
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Post by Annotated » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:21 pm

AntiFelix wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:08 pm
Annotated wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:06 pm
AntiFelix wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:56 pm
He won the election with several million fewer votes than his opponent,
Another tard who doesn't understand the electoral system.
Dipshitticus cumdumpster, read again where I said "He won the election[.]" Then gargle.
You don't understand how the electoral system works.

If you did, then you wouldn't be talking about the popular vote.

It's like saying, yes we lost the baseball game 5-2, but we got 7 hits and they only got 5.

You can't set the game up to be scored one way, and then claim some kind of victory when you count "points" that aren't meant to count.

I repeat, you do NOT understand how the electoral system works. If you did, then you wouldn't be talking about things that don't count. You wouldn't try to change the game after the fact.

But hey, they don't call you tards for nothing. So it's not like I'm surprised.
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:09 pm
Argonheart_Po wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:35 am
He definitely has an electoral mandate to build the wall.
And congress has a mandate to block his wall. That's how co-equal branches of government work. They are blocking his wall, and so he's refusing to pass any budget that opens the government. He does not have a mandate to shut down the government.
I agree with you.

Trump does have a mandate to build the wall.
“We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honour and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and bid the geldings be fruitful.” —C.S. Lewis

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