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Football team and coach found alive

Post by VinnyD » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:50 pm

in Thai cave, says regional governor.

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Post by VinnyD » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:52 pm

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Not much detail. I hope it's true.

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Post by Chip_Oatley » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:56 pm

Seeing them being carried out on stretchers now. Such great news.

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Post by lolasf » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:59 pm

That's so great.
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Post by section8 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:12 pm

Fuck caves.
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Post by EMG » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:13 pm

Just saw that on FB. Great news. Must've been pretty terrifying in there.

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Post by DCComic » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:14 pm

Good.

I spoke too soon.
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Post by VinnyD » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:22 pm

The NPR report just now siad they were described as "showing signs of life". So perhaps we shouldn't get our hopes up too high just yet.

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Post by DCComic » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:27 pm

"All 12 boys and their football coach have been found alive after nine days missing in caves in Thailand, the regional governor says.
All of them are safe, Narongsak Osottanakorn confirmed, speaking after a mammoth search operation in the Tham Luang caves in Chiang Rai."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44688909
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Post by Stan In Maryland » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:31 pm

Glad to hear they all made it out alive, hope they stay that way. Can't wait for the made for TV movie.
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Post by lolasf » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:32 pm

So they've been found, but they aren't out yet. Sounds like there's still some concern. I can't imagine what it must be like in there, damn.
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Post by Moethebartender » Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:13 pm

9 days... I thought sure they were done for. Can't imagine what a shit show that must have been.
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Post by VinnyD » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:03 pm

It was two British divers who first reached them. BBC.

Chip, the video you saw must have been about some other story. It seems they are still in the cave.

Edit: Or maybe there were injured rescuers who had to be carried out on stretchers?

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Post by Chip_Oatley » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:12 pm

VinnyD wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:03 pm
It was two British divers who first reached them. BBC.

Chip, the video you saw must have been about some other story. It seems they are still in the cave.

Edit: Or maybe there were injured rescuers who had to be carried out on stretchers?
CNN jumped the gun. It definitely looked like the scene outside--so yes, I imagine they were would-be rescuers.

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Post by desertstorm » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:12 pm

Happy.

They looked remarkably calm in the video. 9 days. Kids not knowing if they would get out alive. I would probably shit my pants. I hope they had bought toilet paper with them.

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Post by Shavenhead » Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:03 pm

I thought this was going to be about Argentina.
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Post by Steve_in_Exile » Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:08 pm

I thought they would have a good chance of being found alive. Flood water isn't going to fill up every nook and cranny in that cave system, and they aren't going to freeze to death in Thailand. Probably didn't have much to eat, but that's not going to kill you. Great news.

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Post by DCComic » Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:52 pm

They're still in there, and haven't been given any supplies. There isn't a plan to get them out. They need to dive to get past the sump and there is more rain forecast. There are lots of pumps trying to lower the water level enough for them to be able to wade but the TV journo was speculating that they may have to be taught the basics of diving and have to swim out underwater.

More drama to come.
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Re: Football team and coach found alive

Post by shilgia » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:01 pm

Was there an earlier post about this? A news alert earlier today was the first I heard of this. Maybe I haven't been following the news enough in the past couple of weeks.

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Post by VinnyD » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:03 pm

I'm pretty sure there was, and that you haven't been following either the news or the stew closely enough.

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Post by desertstorm » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:06 pm

DCComic wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:52 pm
They're still in there, and haven't been given any supplies. There isn't a plan to get them out. They need to dive to get past the sump and there is more rain forecast. There are lots of pumps trying to lower the water level enough for them to be able to wade but the TV journo was speculating that they may have to be taught the basics of diving and have to swim out underwater.

More drama to come.
I don't expect that, while it may not be straightforward to bring them out immediately, I assume at least the rescuers have time to plan ahead for different scenarios in coming days even if more rain is forecasted.

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Post by DCComic » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:14 pm

They're six miles in. That's nuts.
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Post by desertstorm » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:29 pm

I was watching the video again and I just realised they probably were in complete darkness for the most part of the past 9 days.

And how much most of us are not used to complete darkness. I can't even remember when was the last time, if ever, I was in a situation where there was absolutely no light.

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Post by VinnyD » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:48 pm

You don't know what complete darkness is until you have been in a cave. I have only been in them with a guide, but once, in Carlsbad Caverns, the guide had us sit while she turned off the light for a minute, and then lit a candle, and once, in the marl caves at Maastricht, those who were willing walked through a narrow passage in darkness, right hand on the wall, left hand on the shoulder of the person in front of you, rejoining the rest of the group after a minute or two.

in Carlsbad the guide said "Some of you may be waving your hands in front of your face and thinking you can make out your fingers." I had been doing and thinking just that, although the fingers didn't look quite right: they flickered. "It's because your brain thinks you should be seeing them, and supplies the image." It was really amazing the difference that one candle made. It will be quite a relief to the people in the cave if they get light to them.

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Post by Flobster! » Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:00 pm

Well it was a good thing the Thais spoke English, wasn't it?
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Post by DCComic » Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:30 pm

Flobster! wrote:
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Well it was a good thing the Thais spoke English, wasn't it?

Next time they should only accept cave rescue diving volunteers who speak the local language, you mean?
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Post by Moethebartender » Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:19 am

Flobster! wrote:
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Well it was a good thing the Thais spoke English, wasn't it?
The people who are being rescued are Thai, you gibbering Straylian.
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Chip_Oatley wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:56 pm
Seeing them being carried out on stretchers now. Such great news.
Chip_Oatley wrote:
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It was two British divers who first reached them. BBC.

Chip, the video you saw must have been about some other story. It seems they are still in the cave.

Edit: Or maybe there were injured rescuers who had to be carried out on stretchers?
CNN jumped the gun. It definitely looked like the scene outside--so yes, I imagine they were would-be rescuers.
what, the rescuers were being carried out on stretchers?
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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:34 am

Shavenhead wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:03 pm
I thought this was going to be about Argentina.
I'm sorry to laugh.

I scroll through all the posts, thinking what a grim story.

Then a little gem like this appears.

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Post by Scrubb » Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:42 am

They are apparently trying to figure out how to get them out the top - digging a hole down to them, I guess. Because the water is a major obstacle, and the dive/swim they'd have to do would be strenuous and they are all weak.

Not sure why they haven't sent an experience diver in with supplies.
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Post by Chip_Oatley » Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:21 am

DCComic wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:14 pm
They're six miles in. That's nuts.
I expect there will be Recriminations (coach).

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Post by guruwil » Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:37 am

Yes no one has been Carried out they are still in there, they are considering how they start getting them out. In the meantime they are considering carrying in several months of food and teaching the kids how to dive.
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Post by DCComic » Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:39 am

Another possibility is supplying them to stay until the water recedes.
In some months.
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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:44 am

They could be in there for months?

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Post by EMG » Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:49 am

Why would it take months to teach them how to dive?

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Post by DCComic » Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:54 am

It's not a simple dive - in complete darkness through a cave system takes an expert and perhaps good strength and fitness. They're children.
Maybe supplying them where they are is much safer?
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Post by EMG » Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:56 am

If they're waiting months, I'd imagine they're just going to wait out rainy season for the water to recede. Not to prepare for a cave dive.

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DCComic wrote:
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Another possibility is supplying them to stay until the water recedes.
In some months.
EMG wrote:
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If they're waiting months, I'd imagine they're just going to wait out rainy season for the water to recede. Not to prepare for a cave dive.
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Post by EMG » Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:07 am

Oh, missed that, read Guru's post and hit reply. I think that's a lot more likely.

Spending months preparing for a cave dive doesn't seem logical.

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Post by guruwil » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:06 am

Yes,sorry blended a few things together there. As they are looking at the options some of them are to supply them and wait for the water to recede which may take months due to the rainy season, or teach them to dive, but yes it is a complicated and dangerous cave dive and there are thirteen of them and they are just kids.
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Moethebartender wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:19 am
Flobster! wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:00 pm
Well it was a good thing the Thais spoke English, wasn't it?
The people who are being rescued are Thai, you gibbering Straylian.
? The BBC reports a longish conversation between the divers (Brits) and the group, including the divers asking if they were all safe, and telling them what happens next.
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Post by Chip_Oatley » Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:03 pm

I think you misunderstood, Moe.

Latest is that food and medical care is on the way or is there now.

The divers said that getting there and back was really tough even for them.

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Post by islandboi » Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:58 pm

They needed Injun Joe to lead them out....

How did they get this far back into a cave? How did they get through all the water barriers?
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Post by DCComic » Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:13 pm

I imagine they were driven further in by rising water because one of the lowest sumps is nearer the entrance.
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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:19 am

I've just watched the news for a few days.

This is mental!

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Football team and coach found alive

Post by 5waldos » Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:51 am

Very difficult technical dive to get in- at one point you have to take off your equipment. They may have to wait until the water goes down which could be 4 months.

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Post by desertstorm » Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:06 am

I don't know how realistic it is to hope that people and the parents of the children won't allow them to join the media circus once they leave the cave.

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Post by Usher73 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:20 am

Two things come to mind.

1. Being in Texas where lots of wells get drilled, I wish I had unlimited resources and could call a guy and tell him to get that big ass drill flown to Thailand and get those kids out.

2. What will the coach have to deal with when they get out?

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Post by Usher73 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:28 am

Glimpet or Simon, have you got any big ass drills looking for work?

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Post by desertstorm » Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:35 am

Usher73 wrote:
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2. What will the coach have to deal with when they get out?
I read somewhere that there was mention of charging the coach. I guess it depends on many soft factors too, like how angry the parents are with him, and how likeable he comes across on television.

And also remember drilling is one of the options being considered according to the news reporting. I guess it is an option they will look at more closely if they cannot get the kids out in the coming days.

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