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Post by OnTheBall » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:40 am

I am about to turn down a principal role at a kindergarten in Shanghai. It is a new school and they want a foreign principal to run it and grow it. This is something I have plenty of experience in and could probably do it in my sleep. The bad thing about it is that it isn't an international school and later on when my kids are old enough they could go to a Chinese school free of charge but not an international school. The role provides a free apartment and, amongst other things, pays around $AUD160,000 per year.

I'm about to turn it down for a role as a classroom teacher in a biggish regional town in NSW. The school is a school for kids with behavioural and mental health issues. The role pays $AUD52,000 after tax. No housing provided, of course.

I'm crazy to fucking do this, yeah?

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Post by dBrother » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:48 am

Yah, take the money, kids with behavioral problems are only going to be thankless fucks anyhow..
And you can't live on 52k a year..
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Post by OnTheBall » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:49 am

Well, the wife would be working too

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Post by madmonday » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:50 am

Stay.....NSW sounds shit....
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Post by dBrother » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:51 am

Save up some money in China for a few years then cone gone when your kids have to go to school..?
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Post by BulletPark » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:53 am

Is it an annual contract? Is it the sort of thing where you could give it the initial period and see how it goes?

How is the quality of life in the NSW town vs what the money could get you in Shanghai?

Would it be easier for your wife to find work (or continue what she's doing now) from either location?

The Shanghai job sounds like the better option, but I like big cities.

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Post by veronica_inheels » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:57 am

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Post by Bill Barilko » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:10 am

Better fishing in NSW.
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Post by OnTheBall » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:12 am

dBrother wrote:
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Save up some money in China for a few years then cone gone when your kids have to go to school..?
Ideally this, but if I do this then it would mean having to start all over again in Australia (they don't recognise the experience in China). Starting out again is fine in your 20s and 30s, but I'm 39 now and in my 40s if I do this, with two kids on board (I don't want to drag them everywhere as they grow up).

Anyway, I need to drive back to Sydney. Should be around 6 hours. Reply to the rest when I get back.

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Post by OnTheBall » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:14 am

Bill Barilko wrote:
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Better fishing in NSW.
Yes, there is a nice river that is right on the town. Local aboriginal supporting teacher told me that's what a lot of locals do.

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Post by Lulu » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:17 am

Unless it costs 100,000 AUD annually to send the kids to international schools, sounds like Shanghai is the better option. I must have missed something?
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Post by misanthrope » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:31 am

You'd be insane to move to NSW for that kind of money.

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Post by guruwil » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:33 am

I think you know the answer
- If you want to end up in Australia and bring your kids up here, you need to take the NSW option and get your career here grounded
- If you dont care about where you end up and are happy that your kids are International then take the Shanghai one it is a no brainer

Two incomes at a somewhat lower lever can be the same or better than a single higher one because of tax as well.
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Post by dragon » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:34 am

I personally would not want to stay in Shanghai.
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Post by shilgia » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:49 am

The $52k is after tax, right? If you want to be in NSW and/or the NSW school appeals to you more, take the NSW job. It's not a good idea to make job decisions only based on the salary.

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Post by k2w3 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:52 am

Depends on the cost of living in Shanghai, although free housing ought to make it pretty low. I'd be tempted to go for the money option, at least 2-3 years. Early 40's is fine in the teaching game I'd have thought.
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Post by Lulu » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:55 am

If he wants to return to Australia, then yes of course that's the obvious choice. The only consideration additional to salary though that he gave us is "The bad thing about it is that it isn't an international school and later on when my kids are old enough they could go to a Chinese school free of charge but not an international school."

In that case, it's just about the cost of an international school.
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Post by dragon » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:56 am

International schools are generally expensive.
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Post by avalon_ » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:56 am

Your in a tough position, but I think I would go where I want to live.

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Post by BeatRaven » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:09 am

It sounds like you don't want to do it. So you shouldn't do it.

You already did years of Chinese stuff you didn't want to do. You sounded so happy when you stopped doing it.

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Post by misanthrope » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:24 am

He's going to be very disappointed if he comes back unless he lives in a rural beach area.

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Post by Lulu » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:31 am

I think the message of this OP is that he cares about more than money. Follow your heart, young man. Fuck that smog in China.
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Post by avalon_ » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:34 am

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Your in a tough position, but I think I would go where I want to live.
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Post by Lulu » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:38 am

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Post by section8 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:39 am

Who in there right mind would listen to Avalon's advice after that error?
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Post by avalon_ » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:43 am

Great. Now I'll be responsible for him living out his years somewhere he doesn't want to.

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Post by BulletPark » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:45 am

BeatRaven wrote:
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It sounds like you don't want to do it. So you shouldn't do it.

You already did years of Chinese stuff you didn't want to do. You sounded so happy when you stopped doing it.
Yeah, after some thought that would be my answer too. I've recently stopped a job and couldn't be happier even though my income will take a hit for the foreseeable future.

Plus if the town is within a comfortable drive of Sydney you'll have a lot of big city amenities to hand.

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Post by lolasf » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:47 am

Way to go avalon, you just doomed OTB's kids to a life of misery or something.

I think you should skip the current NSW job and keep hunting for other jobs in Oz. There have to be more opportunities out there.
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OnTheBall wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:40 am
I am about to turn down a principal role at a kindergarten in Shanghai. It is a new school and they want a foreign principal to run it and grow it. This is something I have plenty of experience in and could probably do it in my sleep. The bad thing about it is that it isn't an international school and later on when my kids are old enough they could go to a Chinese school free of charge but not an international school. The role provides a free apartment and, amongst other things, pays around $AUD160,000 per year.

I'm about to turn it down for a role as a classroom teacher in a biggish regional town in NSW. The school is a school for kids with behavioural and mental health issues. The role pays $AUD52,000 after tax. No housing provided, of course.

I'm crazy to fucking do this, yeah?
You're batshit, unless you're finally sick of living in some Chinese shithole city.

Is China worth $100k extra per year? Not to me.

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Post by mad hatter » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:09 am

dBrother wrote:
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Yah, take the money, kids with behavioral problems are only going to be thankless fucks anyhow..
And you can't live on 52k a year..
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Post by mishmish » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:30 am

I understand both parties are open to moving elsewhere. What I don't understand is WHO doesn't recognize job experience from China? That's weird.
That's a big salary difference. I'd do it for a few years, but yes, maybe not to definitely a not-attractive destination like China is to you. The third option mentioned here may be best. i.e., keep look for a better paying job in Australia.

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Post by Bill Barilko » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:37 am

What I don't understand is WHO doesn't recognize job experience from China? That's weird.

In China all it takes is money for paper qualifications- we see that here with new immigrants who have Chinese driver's licences but have never actually driven they just paid someone to sit the exam for them and the instructor to pass that person.
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Post by mishmish » Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:33 am

I see. But I would think that the principle of a school would be easier to verify, no? Wouldn't he be employed by the government?

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lolasf wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:47 am
Way to go avalon, you just doomed OTB's kids to a life of misery or something.

I think you should skip the current NSW job and keep hunting for other jobs in Oz. There have to be more opportunities out there.
Yup. With your experience, OTB, there must be better jobs where you are.
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Post by leela » Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:04 am

rezuar wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:19 am
lolasf wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:47 am
Way to go avalon, you just doomed OTB's kids to a life of misery or something.

I think you should skip the current NSW job and keep hunting for other jobs in Oz. There have to be more opportunities out there.
Yup. With your experience, OTB, there must be better jobs where you are.
By better do you mean 'with more money'? Because teaching kids with behavioural and mental health issues is a great job.
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Post by rezuar » Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:37 am

leela wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:04 am
rezuar wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:19 am
lolasf wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:47 am
Way to go avalon, you just doomed OTB's kids to a life of misery or something.

I think you should skip the current NSW job and keep hunting for other jobs in Oz. There have to be more opportunities out there.
Yup. With your experience, OTB, there must be better jobs where you are.
By better do you mean 'with more money'?
Not necessarily, leela. By better I mean whatever works better for OTB in his situation.
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Post by DCComic » Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:03 am

Fuck knows.
The long game (NSW) is probably best for your family.

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Post by GLimpet » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:44 pm

There will be better jobs in NSW, but he'll most likely have to start at the bottom to get in the system, and work up.

Shouldn't be a problem as his experience kicks in.

And as leela says, I imagine it's a great job if you have any kind of aptitude or desire to do it.

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Post by EMG » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:54 pm

I would take the money. I like money.

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I would take the money. I like money.
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BulletPark wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:45 am
BeatRaven wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:09 am
It sounds like you don't want to do it. So you shouldn't do it.

You already did years of Chinese stuff you didn't want to do. You sounded so happy when you stopped doing it.
Yeah, after some thought that would be my answer too. I've recently stopped a job and couldn't be happier even though my income will take a hit for the foreseeable future.

Plus if the town is within a comfortable drive of Sydney you'll have a lot of big city amenities to hand.
Dude, seriously?

This is the reflexive I only make $50K but could have made $160K face saving, back pedaling post but I chose LOVE and you’re playing into it, trying to help out One Ball’s happiness?

Don’t listen to Beat.

There is nothing wrong with making 50K or being a teaching but there is a fuck load wrong with bragging on the internet your business acumen to belittling other posters, more so when it turns out to be a lie

And here is another lie that this $160K job even exist for him

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Post by shilgia » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:59 pm

The 50k is after taxes, 160k is before. So presumably we're really comparing like 80 with 160. But anyway, go ahead.

I still think you should choose the job you want in the location you want, with the money as a secondary consideration. Obviously if the NSW job doesn't pay enough to afford a basic quality of life for you and your family that's another matter, but I doubt that's the case at 80ish K.

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Post by Moethebartender » Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:09 pm

Agree with Wonton. Also, the answer to the question asked by the OP is yes.
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cowtown wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:55 pm
BulletPark wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:45 am
BeatRaven wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:09 am
It sounds like you don't want to do it. So you shouldn't do it.

You already did years of Chinese stuff you didn't want to do. You sounded so happy when you stopped doing it.
Yeah, after some thought that would be my answer too. I've recently stopped a job and couldn't be happier even though my income will take a hit for the foreseeable future.

Plus if the town is within a comfortable drive of Sydney you'll have a lot of big city amenities to hand.
Dude, seriously?

This is the reflexive I only make $50K but could have made $160K face saving, back pedaling post but I chose LOVE and you’re playing into it, trying to help out One Ball’s happiness?

Don’t listen to Beat.

There is nothing wrong with making 50K or being a teaching but there is a fuck load wrong with bragging on the internet your business acumen to belittling other posters, more so when it turns out to be a lie

And here is another lie that this $160K job even exist for him

If we are to believe One Ball, he wouldn’t be asking this question, his answer would be obvious so we answer towards his handle as clearly, there are lies abound
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Post by jessica_fletcher » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:21 pm

I haven’t read all the replies. Soz.


Working for 2 years in China, would mean you could set yourself up in Australia very nicely. Deposit for a house etc.

Also working with difficult children as your first job would be very very hard, I would re consider that but that’s just me.
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Post by veronica_inheels » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:23 pm

but he is in china for decades. wasnt he already making 100K for years?

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leela wrote:
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:47 am
Way to go avalon, you just doomed OTB's kids to a life of misery or something.

I think you should skip the current NSW job and keep hunting for other jobs in Oz. There have to be more opportunities out there.
Yup. With your experience, OTB, there must be better jobs where you are.
By better do you mean 'with more money'? Because teaching kids with behavioural and mental health issues is a great job.
its a shit job and every teacher knows it.
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rezuar wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:19 am
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:47 am
Way to go avalon, you just doomed OTB's kids to a life of misery or something.

I think you should skip the current NSW job and keep hunting for other jobs in Oz. There have to be more opportunities out there.
Yup. With your experience, OTB, there must be better jobs where you are.
what experience? china jobs? nobody gives a fuck.

if australia is in any way similar to canada, the only thing that counts here is "canadian experience" and he is starting at the bottom of salary scale. slow but sure climb to the top of salary scale tho.
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Post by CatScanMan » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:29 pm

Living in China... There's a lot to be said for clean air and space.

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Post by jessica_fletcher » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:29 pm

veronica_inheels wrote:
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Yup. With your experience, OTB, there must be better jobs where you are.
By better do you mean 'with more money'? Because teaching kids with behavioural and mental health issues is a great job.
its a shit job and every teacher knows it.
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