Is throwing a match cheating?

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Is throwing a match cheating?

Post by andybox » Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:23 pm

Or; Are the English team a pack of cheaters for throwing their group game against Belgium? The commentators here and on international tv channels were giving them heaps of shit on air.
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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:35 pm

Too funny. Butt hurt Australians

Do you think the players tried not to score?

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Re: Is throwing a match cheating?

Post by Lincoln » Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:39 pm

Poss poor wind up Andybox

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Re: Is throwing a match cheating?

Post by andybox » Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:46 pm

So basically England cheated. Do you think they should go home?
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Post by andybox » Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:47 pm

We need Shunter in here for a non judgemental opinion.
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Re: Is throwing a match cheating?

Post by VinnyD » Sat Jun 30, 2018 12:09 am

My first thought is that I don't see why strategy should only apply to the ninety minutes of one match and not to the tournament as a whole.

But I would be interested in hearing arguments from those who disagree.

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Post by andybox » Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:18 am

Shunter and Lincoln would be your voice of reason and n this subject, Vinny.
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Post by mad hatter » Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:11 am

England cheated like the cheaters they are but it wont matter.
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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:14 am

That's funny.

Kiwis defining what is cheating when their rugby hero McCaw is the biggest cheat the game has ever seen.

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Post by The Mallard Missie » Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:45 am

andybox wrote:
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We need Shunter in here for a non judgemental opinion.

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Post by Andrea1 » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:54 am

They should've played the matches in both groups at the same time, so that no one really knew who was going to be playing who.

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Post by Lost Soul » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:59 am

I like your solution, Andrea.
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Re: Is throwing a match cheating?

Post by harry_flashman » Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:21 am

How do Japan represent a tougher proposition than Columbia?
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Re: Is throwing a match cheating?

Post by andybox » Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:35 am

harry_flashman wrote:
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How do Japan represent a tougher proposition than Columbia?
Because Columbia suck.
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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:36 am

Colombia

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Re: Is throwing a match cheating?

Post by Andrea1 » Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:39 am

harry_flashman wrote:
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How do Japan represent a tougher proposition than Columbia?
It wasn't who's next that people were mainly focussing on, it was the opposition in the quarters. Brazil or Switzerland/Sweden. As it is IF England beat Colombia it'll be Switzerland/Sweden.

I like Colombia, they were the team that impressed the last World Cup. James has made a huge difference when he has played this one.

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Re: Is throwing a match cheating?

Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:44 am

England havent done a particular good job of beating Sweden in tournament history.

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Re: Is throwing a match cheating?

Post by Andrea1 » Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:46 am

Yeh, but Brazil is one of the 'Big, Scarey Ones'. Sweden isn't. Mindst, Germany was a BSO too.

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Re: Is throwing a match cheating?

Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:48 am

Well they would have zip of a chance against Brazil.

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Post by harry_flashman » Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:50 am

I didn't hear any commentators throwing shit at the English or Belgium team. Both were in a situation whereby their results in earlier games have given them a qualification cushion and both teams put out a reserve side. Perhaps if FIFA raised the standard of the competition by ensuring that teams earn the right to be there, then we might not be treated to these sort of games. If you are going to let second tier nations like Australia and third tier nations like NZ compete then don't complain it you get a lop sided world cup.
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Post by DCComic » Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:58 am

1. Is there a rule against saving a couple of your best players for a tougher match to come?
2. Is there a rule against playing less aggressively in less important matches?
3. Where is the line between cheating and gamesmanship here?
4. Is this thread in any way motivated by embarrassment at the blatant and inept rule breaking Australian sports teams are known for?
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Re: Is throwing a match cheating?

Post by Andrea1 » Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:00 am

The surprise is that Belgium scored. Martinez didn't look happy.

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Re: Is throwing a match cheating?

Post by andybox » Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:11 am

Is there a more complete wanker than Harry? The chip upon his shoulder is a burden he struggles to cope with.
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Re: Is throwing a match cheating?

Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:14 am

That's amusing and ironical.

Start a fight and then whinge when you get served.

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Post by The Mallard Missie » Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:31 am

I believe that snooker players John Higgins and Stephen Lee both wagered heavily on a 1-0 win for Belgium.
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Re: Is throwing a match cheating?

Post by andybox » Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:44 am

Stephen_Dedalus wrote:
Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:14 am
That's amusing and ironical.

Start a fight and then whinge when you get served.
Served by who?
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Re: Is throwing a match cheating?

Post by harry_flashman » Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:22 am

4. Is this thread in any way motivated by embarrassment at the blatant and inept rule breaking Australian sports teams are known for?
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Re: Is throwing a match cheating?

Post by andybox » Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:33 am

Not all threads in WOS are about bitterness. This might be about Harry being a knob end and having an inferiority complex about Aus and NZ. Food for thought.
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Re: Is throwing a match cheating?

Post by Lincoln » Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:37 am

You've let yourself down with this shit Andybox...
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Post by mad hatter » Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:38 am

Stephen_Dedalus wrote:That's funny.

Kiwis defining what is cheating when their rugby hero McCaw is the biggest cheat the game has ever seen.
who? you still harping on about mccaw destroying your inside backs last world cup?
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Re: Is throwing a match cheating?

Post by simon_in_exile » Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:19 am

andybox wrote:
Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:35 am
harry_flashman wrote:
Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:21 am
How do Japan represent a tougher proposition than Columbia?
Because Columbia suck.
You’ve got to be joking? Colombia look really dangerous - I’d rather England was facing Japan.
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Post by VinnyD » Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:32 am

Andy, do you think it's cheating? Does anyone?

Andrea's solution is no good from FIFA's point of view. The combined potential audience for the two games is cut in half.

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Re: Is throwing a match cheating?

Post by Andrea1 » Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:36 am

VinnyD wrote:
Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:32 am

Andrea's solution is no good from FIFA's point of view. The combined potential audience for the two games is cut in half.
That has to be along the lines of why it was decided so. It's a crap reason, though, reflecting badly on FIFA.

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Re: Is throwing a match cheating?

Post by andybox » Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:45 am

So its decided, England cheated.
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Re: Is throwing a match cheating?

Post by mad hatter » Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:47 am

andybox wrote:So its decided, England cheated.
yup
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Post by Andrea1 » Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:58 am

Arguably, Belgium were cheating, up until the goal - deliberately fouling to ensure that England went through on the fair play ticket. England could've ran with it - they were going through to play Japan on a draw anyway. The person who definitely wasn't cheating was Januazaj. Unless, of course, he was trying to miss but scored by mistake. Or figured the goalie would save it. Maybe Cahill wasn't cheating - he made a goaline save.

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:01 am

Andybox knows nothing about football.

For evidence have a look at who resides at the bottom of the 25 person World Cup prediction league.

My personal favourite was him having Australia in the semi finals.

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:16 am

If we had a prediction league for the rugby World.Cup, Iolar would have them in the final. Despite them having never made it past the quarters.

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Post by GLimpet » Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:09 pm

It is cheating the spectators, live and TV, who pay for this whole show.

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:11 pm

I'm kind of done with this branch until after the world cup.

Is that a flounce?

Let's call it a mini holiday.

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:18 pm

Not one person can even be bothered to do a match day thread.

Just talk about some dead rubber from last week.

And the Australians (and lesser Australian) are all over it, of course.

All it needs is 'chippy' Iolar to turn up.

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Post by VinnyD » Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:30 pm

Andy, do you think it's cheating? Can you explain why?

Andrea, they wouldn't know when scheduling the games which matches might end up with one team preferring to lose. So they would have to schedule the last two matches in every group to run simultaneously. That would be a huge economic hit. And besides, people might prefer to be able to watch all the matches in the group stage.

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Post by Andrea1 » Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:36 pm

No, they wouldn't. Some dead matches are common, at that stage, and, inevitably, result in some crappy, meaningless games. Maybe there should be some flexibility - again, this goes counter to economics, scheduling, etc., but, if it's obvious that it'd be better for the beautiful game, and, as Glimpet said, the spectators who've paid a fortune, if it benefits the spectacle/competition/spirit if the times are changed, change them. Yes, I realise that isn't going to happen but, (I think) it should.
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Post by VinnyD » Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:38 pm

I don't think that not knowing when the match you have paid a fortune to watch will be played would be seen as a benefit by most spectators.

And certainly not by most broadcasters.

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Post by Andrea1 » Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:40 pm

You would know. It'd be announced well ahead of the game time, Just after the initial scheduling.

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:41 pm

If I remember in 1982 Germany and Austria played at an obvious draw in their last match.

But, that had a direct impact on who went through to the next round.

I don't agree with that sort of gamesmanship at all.

But, why play your best players and having them going at full pelt, risking injury and yellow cards, when it doesn't matter.

That's just natural football mentality.

I'm just glad that idiot Fellini didn't hatchet anyone.


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As I previously said. Croatia rested a whole load of players in the 2008 euros. Next match they were flat against Turkey, drew and went out on penalties.

That's the risk. Key players won't have played for over a week by Tuesday.

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:42 pm

Hat a goal by Di Maria!

I should have been watching that instead of typing on here.

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Post by Andrea1 » Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:45 pm

Hopefully, not. If he did, he must win for the absolute shortest, surely.

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Post by VinnyD » Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:50 pm

Andrea1 wrote:
Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:40 pm
You would know. It'd be announced well ahead of the game time, Just after the initial scheduling.
Not before you paid a fortune for your ticket though.

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