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Clapper is a liar, and the W. Post is the biggest fake news outlet.
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Jim-2012 wrote:Clapper is a liar, and the W. Post is the biggest fake news outlet.


Amusing coming from you, considering the 'news' sources you cite. Rense.com?
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Ignominy wrote:
Jim-2012 wrote:Clapper is a liar, and the W. Post is the biggest fake news outlet.


Amusing coming from you, considering the 'news' sources you cite. Rense.com?

I never quoted anything on that website; can you link to where I have?
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Your link wrote:Some people are just inclined to give more credibility to Julian Assange than to our own Intelligence Community, and I can sympathize with that disposition.

I certainly would trust Assange more than the CIA, considering their record, but then I never worked for the CIA.
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WikiLeaks is little more than an organ of the Kremlin.
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Post by VinnyD » Fri Jan 06, 2017 8:33 pm

You should read the piece all the way to the end, Jim. It explains why trust isn't necessary. There is evidence, you see.

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Post by Lost Soul » Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:04 am

Ignominy wrote:It's unraveling.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washin ... ent=safari

This will be Big.

Big?

U.S. intercepts capture senior Russian officials celebrating Trump win

They are on the record for wanting the Hilldebeest to lose, so of course they will be happy when she does.

It's not Big at all, and certainly contains no evidence that they rigged the election.

The Compost, the Clown and his CIA leadership ought to get out of Dodge already, and ply their fake news overseas.
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Post by Jim-2012 » Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:31 am

Did you hear what the former president Harry Truman said about the CIA in the aftermath of the JFK assassination before his comments were spiked?
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Nothing nice, I'm sure.
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He said that he regrets having set up the CIA and that it was out of control.
He very likely saw the CIA behind the murder of JFK.
His comments were quickly spiked.
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Good thing you saw them before they disappeared from the record, Jim.

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Truman concluded the op-ed with an admonition that was as clear as the syntax was clumsy: “I would like to see the CIA restored to its original assignment as the intelligence arm of the President, and that whatever else it can properly perform in that special field – and that its operational duties be terminated or properly used elsewhere.” The importance and prescient nature of that admonition are even clearer today, a half-century later.
But Truman’s warning fell mostly on deaf ears, at least within Establishment circles. The Washington Post published the op-ed in its early edition on Dec. 22, 1963, but immediately excised it from later editions. Other media ignored it. The long hand of the CIA?
In Truman’s view, misuse of the CIA began in February 1953, when his successor, Dwight Eisenhower, named Allen Dulles as CIA director. Dulles’s forte was overthrowing governments (in current parlance, “regime change”), and he was quite good at it. With coups in Iran (1953) and Guatemala (1954) under his belt, Dulles was riding high by the late Fifties and moved Cuba to the top of his to-do list.
After Kennedy was murdered in Dallas, the patrician, well-connected Dulles got himself appointed to the Warren Commission and took the lead in shaping the investigation of JFK’s assassination. Documents in the Truman Library show that Dulles also mounted a small domestic covert action of his own to neutralize any future airing of Truman’s and Souers’s warnings about covert action.
So important was this to Dulles that he invented a pretext to get himself invited to visit Truman in Independence, Missouri. On the afternoon of April 17, 1964, Dulles spent a half-hour one-on-one with the former president, trying to get him to retract what he had written in his op-ed. Hell No, said Harry.
Not a problem, Dulles decided. Four days later, in a formal memorandum of conversation for his old buddy Lawrence Houston, CIA general counsel from 1947 to 1973, Dulles fabricated a private retraction for Truman, claiming that Truman told him the Washington Post article was “all wrong,” and that Truman “seemed quite astounded at it.”
A fabricated retraction? It certainly seems so, because Truman did not change his tune. Far from it. In a June 10, 1964, letter to the managing editor of Look magazine, for example, Truman restated his critique of covert action, emphasizing that he never intended the CIA to get involved in “strange activities.”
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Dulles could hardly have expected to get Truman to recant publicly. So why was it so important for Dulles to place in CIA files a fabricated retraction? I believe the answer lies in the fact that in early 1964 Dulles was feeling a lot of heat from many who were suggesting the CIA might have been involved somehow in the Kennedy assassination. Columnists were asking how the truth could ever be reached, with Allen Dulles as de facto head of the Warren Commission.
Dulles had good reason to fear that Truman’s limited-edition Washington Post op-ed of Dec. 22, 1963, might garner unwanted attention and raise troublesome questions about covert action, including assassination. He would have wanted to be in position to dig out of Larry Houston’s files the Truman “retraction,” in the hope that this would nip any serious questioning in the bud.
As the de facto head of the Warren Commission, Dulles was perfectly positioned to protect himself and his associates, were any commissioners or investigators — or journalists — tempted to question whether Dulles and the CIA played a role in killing Kennedy.
And so, the question: Did Allen Dulles and other “cloak-and-dagger” CIA operatives have a hand in John Kennedy’s assassination and in then covering it up? In my view, the best dissection of the evidence pertaining to the murder appeared in James Douglass’s 2008 book, JFK and the Unspeakable. After updating and arraying the abundant evidence, and conducting still more interviews, Douglass concludes that the answer is Yes.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/06/us/po ... eport.html

How strange, to actually live in the parallel reality of the alt-right ... If he truly believes his own nonsense, then Trump is clearly mentally unfit to be President.
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How is breaking into the DNC headquarters and bugging the office any different than hacking their emails?
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Post by VinnyD » Sat Jan 07, 2017 4:02 pm

Josh Marshall:

One of the most interesting explanations I ever read of the CIA's behavior after the Kennedy assassination came from, of all people, Norman Mailer.

Mailer thought that the CIA resisted any probing of its possible role in the assassination not because they were involved but because they couldn't be certain they weren't. In the early 1960s, the CIA was tied up with so many sketchy players and bad guys (certainly in the swirl of the mob, anti-Castro emigres, the Texas far-right and left-wing moles) that they couldn't be totally sure it didn't somehow connect back up to them. They didn't want to find out. Certainly they didn't want anyone else to find out.

Whether this was true as a factual matter or not I don't know. But as a theory it provided a plausible explanation of odd behavior, a shrewd take on human and bureaucratic nature while, all while making no outlandish factual assumptions.

An interesting 'innocent' explanation of Trump's behaviors with regards to the Russian hacking is similar.

Say you're Trump.

You have nothing to do with this. You know nothing about it. But think about all the crooks and gamers and sleazeballs around your campaign. There's Manafort, Stone, Page ... all their associates, not to mention your business associates with ties to Russian organized crime. (Stone publicly said he had some sort of a backchannel to Wikileaks.)

If you're Trump, how confident are you that a real investigation wouldn't turn up anything weird? Probably not very.

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Post by Jim-2012 » Sat Jan 07, 2017 4:32 pm

In the fall of 2017, documents on the JFK assassination are due to be released for public access, unless the President prevents it.
It will be interesting to see if Trump bends to CIA wishes and doesn't release them.
I think the release of the documents is overdue.
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Interesting theory but it makes an assumption that I don't know is valid- that Trump seriously considers anything this deeply. Occam's razor suggests damage to his ego should it be proven or even suggested that the Russian's may have tipped the election in his favor. I do find it fascinating that almost everyone says that of course it did not win the election for Trump or even contribute to his election . Where any sensible look at the election suggests that if the intelligence is correct it is possible to see the hands of the Russians in a variety of areas.
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5waldos wrote:Interesting theory but it makes an assumption that I don't know is valid- that Trump seriously considers anything this deeply. Occam's razor suggests damage to his ego should it be proven or even suggested that the Russian's may have tipped the election in his favor. I do find it fascinating that almost everyone says that of course it did not win the election for Trump or even contribute to his nomination. Where any sensible look at the election suggests that if the intelligence is correct it is possible to see the hands of the Russians in a variety of areas.

Fascinating.

So Ahilla and the Dumbocrats ran a masterful campaign until they were foiled by those dastardly Russkies?

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Did not say that dearie-

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They did somehow manage to get >2.8 million more votes.

Waldos, what I hear people saying is that there is no way of knowing.

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5waldos wrote:Did not say that dearie-

I see that little "if" now. Well done.

Clearly you and Vinny are mass murderers, if the intelligence is correct.
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VinnyD wrote:They did somehow manage to get >2.8 million more votes.

- Millions of which were cast by non-citizens.
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Jim-2012 wrote:
VinnyD wrote:They did somehow manage to get >2.8 million more votes.

- Millions of which were cast by non-citizens.


987.512 Marxist extraterrestrials also kidnapped proclaimed Trump supporters, using, like, Magnets,pp preventing them from voting.
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Nixon was afraid of losing to McGovern. The facts of the election don't matter, ahead or behind, whatever.

The problem is having a personality driven by inferiority, paranoia and distrust, like Nixon and Trump both.
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Jim-2012 wrote:
VinnyD wrote:They did somehow manage to get >2.8 million more votes.

- none of which were cast by non-citizens.


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I'm sure a few of those lowlifes slithering around Trump have ties to Putin.

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Name one of the non-citizens who voted for Clinton, Jim.

The only voter fraud I remember hearing of in this campaign season was committed by a Trump voter.

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VinnyD wrote:Name one of the non-citizens who voted for Clinton, Jim.

The only voter fraud I remember hearing of in this campaign season was committed by a Trump voter.

You still haven't provided proof that Russia gave Wikileaks hacked data from the DNC.
Nines is in a better position to provide names of voters who are not citizens; he lives in California - I don't.
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VinnyD wrote:They did somehow manage to get >2.8 million more votes.

Waldos, what I hear people saying is that there is no way of knowing.


Correct. But that means in both directions- we don't know if it did sway the election, and equally, we do not know if it did not. Saying that it did not is an unwarranted assumption, just as saying it did would be.

Could it be proven in one direction or the other? Possibly- but there are a lot of variables that would have to be considered. But it is hard to imagine that it had no impact- again assuming that the reports of interference are correct.

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VinnyD wrote:The only voter fraud I remember hearing of in this campaign season was committed by a Trump voter.

You're lying to yourself again, Vinny. There have been entire threads on it.

Consider Detroit, which had more voters than residents. All Dumbocrats too, surely.

I think the same shit goes down in every crooked Dumbocrat (redundant) city.

Why don't you regale us about the popular vote again.
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Lost Soul wrote:
VinnyD wrote:The only voter fraud I remember hearing of in this campaign season was committed by a Trump voter.

You're lying to yourself again, Vinny. There have been entire threads on it.

Consider Detroit, which had more voters than residents. All Dumbocrats too, surely.

I think the same shit goes down in every crooked Dumbocrat (redundant) city.

Why don't you regale us about the popular vote again.

And Wisconsin where hundreds of Trump votes were added in multiple precincts.

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Did Detroit have more voters than residents?
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shunter wrote:Did Detroit have more voters than residents?

Yes.
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In one Detroit precinct, 306 votes were recorded for HRC, but the total number of voters for the precinct was 50.
This discrepancy was uncovered during the Michigan recount.
Under Michigan law, if such a discrepancy is found, the recount can't be used for that precinct.
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Post by Godjira » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:38 pm

No, they were not necessarily votes for Hillary. They were ballots. Strike one!

Second, you got it backwards. The books showed 306 voters, but there were only 50 ballots. Strike 2!

Then, the total number of voters for the precinct was more than 50.

Strike 3! You're out of here!

Republican state senators last week called for an investigation in Wayne County, including one precinct where a Detroit ballot box contained only 50 of the 306 ballots listed in a poll book, according to an observer for Trump.


http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/p ... /95363314/

The problem was that the number of ballots cast did not match the numbers in the poll books in these districts. Rarely there were more, but for the most part, there were less, as in the example you f'ed up.
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Jim-2012 wrote:In one Detroit precinct, 306 votes were recorded for HRC, but the total number of voters for the precinct was 50.
This discrepancy was uncovered during the Michigan recount.
Under Michigan law, if such a discrepancy is found, the recount can't be used for that precinct.


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When it's over, I'm casting you out like bad salmon, you utterly retarded fuckface.

You and who else, Felix?
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Ignominy wrote:
Jim-2012 wrote:In one Detroit precinct, 306 votes were recorded for HRC, but the total number of voters for the precinct was 50.
This discrepancy was uncovered during the Michigan recount.
Under Michigan law, if such a discrepancy is found, the recount can't be used for that precinct.


You fuckheads won. Enjoy ruining our country. When it's over, I'm casting you out like bad salmon, you utterly retarded fuckface. Maybe Mexico will have mercy on your retired soul, but I won't.

I won't consider it a victory until the national ghetto and its environs begin shrinking in size.
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Post by Godjira » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:36 am

Well, Jim, are you going to admit you were wrong, or will you keep swinging the bat from the bench??

Lost Soul wrote:I won't consider it a victory until the national ghetto and its environs begin shrinking in size.


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Lost Soul wrote:I won't consider it a victory until the national ghetto and its environs begin shrinking in size.


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