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Re: Your favorite Trump Christian value

Post by shunter » Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:37 pm

I doubt maxwells interpretation of the bible will get him to heaven sonny
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Re: Your favorite Trump Christian value

Post by Paddox1 » Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:38 pm

So what denomination of church do you worship in? Or do you not go to church?

I believe in the messages that the New Testament teaches us and try to lead my life accordingly.

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Re: Your favorite Trump Christian value

Post by Godjira » Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:43 pm

Meth pretends to believe in religion for political reasons, like the rest of the GOP hypocrites. It's all just bullshit and not worth asking him to defend.
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Re: Your favorite Trump Christian value

Post by Maxwell » Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:44 pm

Paddox1 wrote:So what denomination of church do you worship in? Or do you not go to church?

I believe in the messages that the New Testament teaches us and try to lead my life accordingly.

I attend a nondenominational church that teaches and believes the bible is the Word of God and that salvation is only through Jesus Christ according to the scriptures.

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Re: Your favorite Trump Christian value

Post by Maxwell » Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:45 pm

shunter wrote:I doubt maxwells interpretation of the bible will get him to heaven sonny

My interpretation of the scriptures will not get me to heaven. Only my faith in Jesus Christ will save me.

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Re: Your favorite Trump Christian value

Post by Godjira » Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:47 pm

You don't understand scriptures or anything about the Bible. You're making all this shit up and posturing for political reasons.

I doubt you've ever even picked up a bible in your life.

You're the worst kind of slob.
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Re: Your favorite Trump Christian value

Post by Maxwell » Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:52 pm

Godjira wrote:You don't understand scriptures or anything about the Bible. You're making all this shit up and posturing for political reasons.

I doubt you've ever even picked up a bible in your life.

You're the worst kind of slob.

Of course. You're a demon possessed fool that hates Christians and patriotic Americans.

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Re: Your favorite Trump Christian value

Post by Paddox1 » Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:53 pm

So you don't believe in evolution? You believe that God created the world as is written in Genesis?

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Post by Godjira » Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:56 pm

Maxwell wrote:
Godjira wrote:You don't understand scriptures or anything about the Bible. You're making all this shit up and posturing for political reasons.

I doubt you've ever even picked up a bible in your life.

You're the worst kind of slob.

Of course. You're a demon possessed fool that hates Christians and patriotic Americans.


You're not a Christian or a patriotic American. You're a bullshitter and hypocrite.
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Re: Your favorite Trump Christian value

Post by Godjira » Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:58 pm

Paddox1 wrote:So you don't believe in evolution? You believe that God created the world as is written in Genesis?


He doesn't even know what Genesis is, except that he's a huge Phil Collins fan.
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Re: Your favorite Trump Christian value

Post by Maxwell » Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:59 pm

Paddox1 wrote:So you don't believe in evolution? You believe that God created the world as is written in Genesis?

I believe God created the universe and everything in it. I'm not sure a day was 24 hours because the scriptures say a day with God is like a thousand years.

Correct, i don't believe in evolution. It's not biblical. Do you believe in evolution? If you do, how does that line up with your beliefs as a Christian?

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Re: Your favorite Trump Christian value

Post by Maxwell » Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:01 pm

Godjira wrote:
Maxwell wrote:
Godjira wrote:You don't understand scriptures or anything about the Bible. You're making all this shit up and posturing for political reasons.

I doubt you've ever even picked up a bible in your life.

You're the worst kind of slob.

Of course. You're a demon possessed fool that hates Christians and patriotic Americans.


You're not a Christian or a patriotic American. You're a bullshitter and hypocrite.

I'm going to put you back on ignore

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Re: Your favorite Trump Christian value

Post by Godjira » Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:01 pm

The Bible clearly states it was a day, you schmuck.

You hypocrite.
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Post by Paddox1 » Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:05 pm

Maxwell wrote:
Paddox1 wrote:So you don't believe in evolution? You believe that God created the world as is written in Genesis?

I believe God created the universe and everything in it. I'm not sure a day was 24 hours because the scriptures say a day with God is like a thousand years.

Correct, i don't believe in evolution. It's not biblical. Do you believe in evolution? If you do, how does that line up with your beliefs as a Christian?


Wow. That's amazing. So science lessons would teach creationism rather than evolution? I've never come across someone with such extreme beliefs.

Catholics believe in evolution. That's me sorted.

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Re: Your favorite Trump Christian value

Post by Maxwell » Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:06 pm

Godjira wrote:The Bible clearly states it was a day, you schmuck.

You hypocrite.

The bible also states a day is like a thousand years with the Lord. It could have been a literal day. I'm not sure. If someone wants to believe it was a literal day, fine. Do you want to discuss like an adult or just lash out with your ignorant hateful insults? I will discuss with you, but if you continue like this, you're going back on ignore.

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Re: Your favorite Trump Christian value

Post by Maxwell » Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:08 pm

Paddox1 wrote:
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Paddox1 wrote:So you don't believe in evolution? You believe that God created the world as is written in Genesis?

I believe God created the universe and everything in it. I'm not sure a day was 24 hours because the scriptures say a day with God is like a thousand years.

Correct, i don't believe in evolution. It's not biblical. Do you believe in evolution? If you do, how does that line up with your beliefs as a Christian?


Wow. That's amazing. So science lessons would teach creationism rather than evolution? I've never come across someone with such extreme beliefs.

Catholics believe in evolution. That's me sorted.

Perhaps you haven't experienced much. I've met Catholics that believe in creation and not evolution. Jesus Christ believed humans were created because He said so. Perhaps you believe religion instead of the Scriptures. I know many Catholics do.

Do you believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God and eternal according to the Scriptures?

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Post by muthafunky » Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:22 pm

The lunatic test for me is to ask christians if they believe in the literal story of Noah's ark. That is so obviously a fable written by a human with no understanding of genetics, biological diversity, geology, etc that if you believe it literally it's hard for me to take you seriously. It's fine as an allegory.

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Re: Your favorite Trump Christian value

Post by Maxwell » Mon Jan 02, 2017 5:06 pm

muthafunky wrote:The lunatic test for me is to ask christians if they believe in the literal story of Noah's ark. That is so obviously a fable written by a human with no understanding of genetics, biological diversity, geology, etc that if you believe it literally it's hard for me to take you seriously. It's fine as an allegory.

I believe God can do anything. I could not care less who takes me seriously.

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Re: Your favorite Trump Christian value

Post by shunter » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:53 pm

What if you get to the pearly gates and St. Peter doesn't take you seriously, laughs in your face and calls you a wank stain? Could happen.
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Re: Your favorite Trump Christian value

Post by Maxwell » Mon Jan 02, 2017 8:37 pm

shunter wrote:What if you get to the pearly gates and St. Peter doesn't take you seriously, laughs in your face and calls you a wank stain? Could happen.

Nope, couldn't happen. I believe the scriptues, not the warped mind of an anonymous poster on a political forim.

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Re: Your favorite Trump Christian value

Post by Godjira » Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:32 pm

You don't believe anything. It's all politically motivated posturing.
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Post by Chip_Oatley » Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:54 pm

I listen to the wisdom and guidance of Mrs. Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian.

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Re: Your favorite Trump Christian value

Post by korgy » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:24 am

Maxwell wrote:
korgy wrote:i think mocking the disabled is up there somewhere near the top of the list.
Where is mocking Christians on your hypocritical list?
i don't mock Christians. i mock people, Christian or otherwise, for other things -- being hateful bigots, being intolerant, being hypocrites, etc etc.

you don't strike me as much of a Christian, in any case.
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Re: Your favorite Trump Christian value

Post by Maxwell » Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:25 am

korgy wrote:
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korgy wrote:i think mocking the disabled is up there somewhere near the top of the list.
Where is mocking Christians on your hypocritical list?
i don't mock Christians. i mock people, Christian or otherwise, for other things -- being hateful bigots, being intolerant, being hypocrites, etc etc.

you don't strike me as much of a Christian, in any case.

Guess you haven't heard? Your politically correct race baiting propaganda days are over. Adults are back in charge. Go to hell and take your crap with you. Losers like you don't determine who is a Christian or not. You're pretty much cowardly trash.

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Re: Your favorite Trump Christian value

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Is Trump the Messiah?

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Re: Your favorite Trump Christian value

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andybox wrote:Is Trump the Messiah?

That's the dumbest post of the year so far.

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Your favorite Trump Christian value

Post by Godjira » Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:01 am

How is saying the earth was created in 6,000 years any less absurd than saying 6 days? How is it in 2 Peter, when he is writing about when armageddon will come, it's suddenly twisted to refer to creation? Why does Genesis specifically say "evening and morning"?

It all just political posturing and BS.

First, it's disgusting how they've corrupted Christianity, and now they want to inject their sick and evil creed into government, via a sexual predator no less. Oh, hell no.
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Re: Your favorite Trump Christian value

Post by Maxwell » Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:08 am

Godjira wrote:How is saying the earth was created in 6,000 years any less absurd than saying 6 days? How is it in 2 Peter, when he is writing about when armageddon will come, it's suddenly twisted to refer to creation? Why does Genesis specifically say "evening and morning"?

It all just political posturing and BS.

First, it's disgusting how they've corrupted Christianity, and now they want to inject their sick and evil creed into government, via a sexual predator no less. Oh, hell no.

You poor pitiful creature.

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Your favorite Trump Christian value

Post by Godjira » Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:11 am

In other words, you can't really contradict what I wrote or otherwise respond in a meaningful way. I accept your admission of utter defeat.
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Re: Your favorite Trump Christian value

Post by Godjira » Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:13 am

By the way, I could give two shits if you even want to believe that Jesus irons your Y fonts.

Keep your religion out of my government. Keep it out of public institutions and schools.
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Post by Maxwell » Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:20 am

You poor pitiful creature.

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Post by Godjira » Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:46 am

Stupid little motherfucker.
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Re: Your favorite Trump Christian value

Post by Maxwell » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:57 pm

Godjira wrote:Stupid little motherfucker.

Why you so angry, Bro? Poor baby.

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Post by Moethebartender » Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:56 pm

Is it simply a coincidence that at the very moment that the tedious, mentally unstable, right wing nutbag that was jellybelly disappears, along comes another tedious, mentally unstable right wing nutbag?

I guess it's only fair that the mods keep him around so that Train has someone around his intellectual level to feud with...
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Re: Your favorite Trump Christian value

Post by Godjira » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:55 am

Why do the mods keep Maothebarfly around?

My guess is that he's everyone's whipping boy. Oh yeah, and it's really hilarious when Mao insults people for being from Australia.
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Re: Your favorite Trump Christian value

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Godjira wrote:Why do the mods keep me around?

Indeed.
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Post by birdlite » Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:26 am

Maxwell wrote:
korgy wrote:
Maxwell wrote:[quote="korgy"]i think mocking the disabled is up there somewhere near the top of the list.
Where is mocking Christians on your hypocritical list?
i don't mock Christians. i mock people, Christian or otherwise, for other things -- being hateful bigots, being intolerant, being hypocrites, etc etc.

you don't strike me as much of a Christian, in any case.

Guess you haven't heard? Your politically correct race baiting propaganda days are over. Adults are back in charge. Go to hell and take your crap with you. Losers like you don't determine who is a Christian or not. You're pretty much cowardly trash.[/quote]

Guess what...it is also not up to you to determine who is a Christian.

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Post by VinnyD » Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:30 pm

True Christians don't tell people to go to hell, or so I was taught by the good sisters.

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Let All Opposed to War Praise Trump’s ‘Treasonous’ Tweet
By John V. Walsh
January 5, 2017

When President Obama expelled Russian diplomats over the hysterical and unproven accusation of “hacking the election” on December 29, Russian President Vladimir Putin refused to be drawn into a petty squabble, saying he would delay any response until Donald Trump assumed office. Instead, Putin’s response was to issue an invitation to American diplomats and their families in Moscow to join the official holiday celebrations in the Kremlin.

Then came the shock from President-Elect Trump, in the form of a tweet (what else) heard round the world that read:

“Great move on delay (by V. Putin) – I always knew he was very smart!”

And to be sure that everyone saw it, Trump “pinned” the tweet which means it is the first thing seen by viewers of his account. This was a first use of “pinning” for Trump. And to be doubly sure, he posted it on Instagram as well. This was no spontaneous midnight outburst but a very deliberate action taken on Friday noon, December 30.

Trump Takes on the Entire Apparatus of the War Party

The implications of this move are breathtaking. Trump treated Putin as his ally. And he treated Obama and the bipartisan foreign policy elite as his adversaries. This makes perfect sense if Trump’s desire is to reign in the War Party and to strive for a New Détente.

If the main enemy is those who are stoking a New Cold War, and worse, then Trump has placed himself squarely against them. Consider who those folks are, in addition to Obama, Hillary and company and whole army of neocons and neoliberalcons: all the mainstream media, press, TV, NPR and PBS, NED, the various Soros-funded “N”GOs, all the think tanks, the leadership of both major parties, the CIA and the other “intelligence” agencies like the NSA. They have all been working at demonizing Putin 24/7, stoking a New Cold War and likely worse. Trump took on all of them on with his tweet!

Putin as Ally Against the War Party

And as Trump looks for allies looking for New Détente and a relaxation of US-Russian tensions, Putin is foremost among them by any sane assessment. Thus, in the struggle for peace, Trump has drawn new lines, and they cross national borders. Not since Reagan embraced Gorbachev or Nixon went to China have we seen a development like this. A new battle for survival has been joined, and Trump has shown considerable courage in where he has drawn the lines.

The response to the tweet was immediate and predictable. Later the same afternoon as Trump’s tweet, one Maya Kosoff writing for that deep thought journal of foreign policy, Vanity Fair, right away got out an article entitled “Twitter Melts Down over ‘Treason’ After Trump Praises Putin.” The first batch of such tweets is from “journalists and other foreign policy experts,” the next from Evan McMullin; formerly (?) of the CIA and stooge candidate to draw off GOP votes from Trump in the election who tweeted: “To be clear, @realDonaldTrump is siding with America’s greatest adversary even as it attacks our democracy. Never grow desensitized to this.” Finally came the predictable rash of tweets calling Trump’s words “treasonous” or “seditious.” In response, the Trump spokespeople refused to issue a “clarification,” saying instead that Trump’s words spoke for themselves. No backing off there.

Voting is a simple yes or no. In contrast, an elected president has multiple policies, each of which can be supported or opposed.

Trump’s move was entirely predictable.

The mainstream media scorned Trump’s promises during the campaign to seek peace with Russia. Usually, Trump’s position on Putin and Russia was dismissed with the claim that Trump says contradictory things and no one can believe anything he says. But that is not the case with his statements on Russia. If a politician says something that will win votes, then you do not know whether it is conviction or opportunism. But if a politician says something that should lose her or his votes and sticks with it, then you can be sure it is heartfelt. Trump pledged a kind of détente with Russia in the GOP primaries and stuck with it even though the GOP leadership has been notoriously hawkish on Russia. In the general election, he stuck with it even though it was a principal line of attack on him by the Hillaryites and even his own VP candidate disagreed with it. He stood by it even though it offered him no electoral advantages and lots of negatives. By that simple test, he was sincere and so this latest opening to Putin was entirely predictable.

Finally those who want peace should be speaking out in favor of Trump’s “treasonous” tweet, no matter their political persuasion and how they stand on other issues. The vote for President is either thumbs up or thumbs down – nothing in between. And progressives could list many reasons for not voting Trump. But a presidential administration itself is multi-issued –not all or none. One can disagree with a president on some issues and agree on others and even back him strongly on the latter. So one may disagree with Trump on his immigration policy but agree on his scrapping the TPP. There is no reason why those who claim to be for peace should not back Trump on his approach to Putin and Russia. To refuse such backing is a politics, “unencumbered by the thought process,” as Tom and Ray used to put it.

Finally many progressives and also many on the Right who profess opposition to war and Empire will tell you in whispers that they do support Trump’s attempt at Détente 2.0. But they doubt he will succeed. Meanwhile, they are keeping their heads down and remaining quiet. But clearly, Trump’s success at Détente 2.0 depends on how much support he gets. Those who do not have the courage to speak up in unmistakable terms when they agree with Trump as on the “treasonous tweet” cannot escape part of the responsibility if he fails.
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