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Do You Hope Trump Fails?

Post by Maxwell » Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:23 pm

If so, why?

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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

Post by Citizen Baba » Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:27 pm

Fails at what?

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Citizen Baba wrote:Fails at what?

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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

Post by Maxwell » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:50 pm

It's cute how the twits play dumb when they know they're cornered.

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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

Post by Ignominy » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:50 pm

I hope he fails to turn America into a Varmint Nation. I would point and laugh if all of his businesses failed (again). If he failed to defeat a horrible rash on his face, I'd smirk. I hope he fails to make good with the Republican Congress, and we have Washington gridlock for four years or until he quits, whichever comes sooner.
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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

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Ignominy wrote:I hope he fails to turn America into a Varmint Nation. I would point and laugh if all of his businesses failed (again). If he failed to defeat a horrible rash on his face, I'd smirk. I hope he fails to make good with the Republican Congress, and we have Washington gridlock for four years or until he quits, whichever comes sooner.

Hateful bigoted racist.

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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

Post by polardude1 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:53 pm

I hope he fails to put Americans in more danger. I also hope he fails to dismantle the ACA
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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

Post by Citizen Baba » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:54 pm

Ignominy wrote:I hope he fails to turn America into a Varmint Nation. I would point and laugh if all of his businesses failed (again). If he failed to defeat a horrible rash on his face, I'd smirk. I hope he fails to make good with the Republican Congress, and we have Washington gridlock for four years or until he quits, whichever comes sooner.


Yep. I hope he fails to ban Muslims, increase the deficit, cut taxes on the 1%, erect major import tariffs, get a zealot on the Supreme Court, restrict civil liberties, give cops free reign. and continue race-baiting.

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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

Post by Citizen Baba » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:55 pm

I hope he fails to turn the rest of America into Alabama.

I hope he fails to ensure the next major recession.

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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

Post by Ignominy » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:57 pm

I thought you had me on Ignore, Trigglycritter.
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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

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Citizen Baba wrote:I hope he fails to turn the rest of America into Alabama.

I hope he fails to ensure the next major recession.

Hateful bigoted racist.

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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

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Hateful bigoted racist.

Anti orange colored skin?
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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

Post by Citizen Baba » Tue Dec 27, 2016 6:02 pm

Maxwell wrote:
Citizen Baba wrote:I hope he fails to turn the rest of America into Alabama.

I hope he fails to ensure the next major recession.

Hateful bigoted racist.


I wouldn't let you lick my ass whatever race you are.

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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

Post by 5waldos » Tue Dec 27, 2016 6:05 pm

Hateful bigoted racist.


There are many reasons to dislike someone that have nothing to do with racism. Trump exemplifies many of them.

I do indeed hope that he fails to implement many or most of the policies that he has put forth. And which are mentioned above in this thread. I guess I would like to see major work on the infrastructure of the country succeed but will harbor some anger that he will take credit for it when the republicans have repeatedly blocked the current admistration from doing it. So I guess my feelings do qualify as hoping that Trump fails, although I don't like thinking of it in this way.

Did not republicans want Obama to fail? So much so that they gathered a cabal the night of the first inauguration whose stated aim was to block everything that Obama attempted? I would say that this was a pretty strong statement.

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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

Post by Maxwell » Tue Dec 27, 2016 6:22 pm

5waldos wrote:
Hateful bigoted racist.


There are many reasons to dislike someone that have nothing to do with racism. Trump exemplifies many of them.

I do indeed hope that he fails to implement many or most of the policies that he has put forth. And which are mentioned above in this thread. I guess I would like to see major work on the infrastructure of the country succeed but will harbor some anger that he will take credit for it when the republicans have repeatedly blocked the current admistration from doing it. So I guess my feelings do qualify as hoping that Trump fails, although I don't like thinking of it in this way.

Did not republicans want Obama to fail? So much so that they gathered a cabal the night of the first inauguration whose stated aim was to block everything that Obama attempted? I would say that this was a pretty strong statement.

Likewise, millions of American citizens disliked Obama's agenda and it had nothing to do with the color of his skin, but that didn't prevent the left from accusations of racism and insulting and being hateful to the American citizens that opposed his agenda.

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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

Post by Maxwell » Tue Dec 27, 2016 6:24 pm

Citizen Baba wrote:
Maxwell wrote:
Citizen Baba wrote:I hope he fails to turn the rest of America into Alabama.

I hope he fails to ensure the next major recession.

Hateful bigoted racist.


I wouldn't let you lick my ass whatever race you are.

Why you so angry, bubby? Did you get caught in your own trap. Hopefully, you miserable nasty leftist propaganda parrots will learn a life lesson here....You reap what you sow.

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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

Post by Citizen Baba » Tue Dec 27, 2016 6:29 pm

Maxwell wrote:
Citizen Baba wrote:
I wouldn't let you lick my ass whatever race you are.

Why you so angry, bubby? Did you get caught in your own trap. Hopefully, you miserable nasty leftist propaganda parrots will learn a life lesson here....You reap what you sow.


You mean you think I should let you lick my ass?

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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

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Citizen Baba wrote:
Maxwell wrote:
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I wouldn't let you lick my ass whatever race you are.

Why you so angry, bubby? Did you get caught in your own trap. Hopefully, you miserable nasty leftist propaganda parrots will learn a life lesson here....You reap what you sow.


You mean you think I should let you lick my ass?

Poor pitiful little fella. Having a bad day?

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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

Post by Maxwell » Tue Dec 27, 2016 6:39 pm

The left is scared to death of Trump. They're not afraid of him failing. They're scared to death he will succeed because that will be proof they're wrong.

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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

Post by Flobster! » Tue Dec 27, 2016 6:46 pm

If Trump puts all his promises in place then he will have failed as an American.
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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

Post by Citizen Baba » Tue Dec 27, 2016 6:47 pm

Maxwell wrote:The left is scared to death of Trump. They're not afraid of him failing. They're scared to death he will succeed because that will be proof they're wrong.


Again, succeed/fail at what?

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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

Post by muthafunky » Tue Dec 27, 2016 6:49 pm

I'd be happy if Trump "succeeds" though some of his successes would be for things I don't want.

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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

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Citizen Baba wrote:
Maxwell wrote:The left is scared to death of Trump. They're not afraid of him failing. They're scared to death he will succeed because that will be proof they're wrong.


Again, succeed/fail at what?

Building the wall. Cutting taxes for everyone. Jobs. Reduce dependence on food stamps. Clean up Chicago, since it's obvious democrats are too corrupt and don't give a damn.

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Post by 5waldos » Tue Dec 27, 2016 6:57 pm

muthafunky wrote:I'd be happy if Trump "succeeds" though some of his successes would be for things I don't want.


Seriously? You would be happy if he succeeds at banning Muslims? At privatizing medicare and the VA? At starting an arms race? At ending ACA without replacing it with something decent? Why would any of these things make you happy?

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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

Post by Ignominy » Tue Dec 27, 2016 7:02 pm

Maxwell wrote:Building the wall.


Wasteful government spending.
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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

Post by Citizen Baba » Tue Dec 27, 2016 7:04 pm

Maxwell wrote:Building the wall.


Don't care either way.

Cutting taxes for everyone.


Which would increase the deficit. I hope he fails

Jobs.


What about jobs? Do I hope Obama's job numbers continue under Trump? Sure.

Reduce dependence on food stamps.


I didn't realize this was one of his goals. Are you just projecting on him?

Clean up Chicago, since it's obvious democrats are too corrupt and don't give a damn.


I didn't realize this was one of his goals. Are you just projecting on him?

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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

Post by Citizen Baba » Tue Dec 27, 2016 7:06 pm

Ignominy wrote:
Maxwell wrote:Building the wall.


Wasteful government spending.


I'd like to see something more concrete here. What will the cost be? What outcomes? Up until now, it's just been a fetish object for Trump. I wouldn't want to spend billions of dollars on a fetish object.

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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

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5waldos wrote:
muthafunky wrote:I'd be happy if Trump "succeeds" though some of his successes would be for things I don't want.


Seriously? You would be happy if he succeeds at banning Muslims? At privatizing medicare and the VA? At starting an arms race? At ending ACA without replacing it with something decent? Why would any of these things make you happy?

We are at war with radical Islam. During WWII no German, Italian and Japanese immigrants were allowed in, and that was a democrat administration.

Privatization would be gradually introduced. There IS a plan to replace the ACA.

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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

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Citizen Baba wrote:
Ignominy wrote:
Maxwell wrote:Building the wall.


Wasteful government spending.


I'd like to see something more concrete here. What will the cost be? What outcomes? Up until now, it's just been a fetish object for Trump. I wouldn't want to spend billions of dollars on a fetish object.

So naturally you're very upset at the billion or so wasteful spending on Obamacare, huh. And naturally you're really steamed at the billions wasted on Solyndra and other alternative energy boondoggles, huh.

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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

Post by Citizen Baba » Tue Dec 27, 2016 7:12 pm

Maxwell wrote:I'd like to see something more concrete here. What will the cost be? What outcomes? Up until now, it's just been a fetish object for Trump. I wouldn't want to spend billions of dollars on a fetish object.

So naturally you're very upset at the billion or so wasteful spending on Obamacare, huh.[/quote]

The topic is the wall. Let us know your thoughts -- assuming you have them.

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Post by 5waldos » Tue Dec 27, 2016 7:16 pm

Maxwell wrote:The left is scared to death of Trump. They're not afraid of him failing. They're scared to death he will succeed because that will be proof they're wrong.


There is suceeding at him getting his policies put in place, and then there is the possibility of his policies succeeding. Two very very different things. I could see him getting many of his policies, if he ever figures out what they are, passed. Would you call this success? This would not prove "the left" wrong. The other issue is far more important- do any of these policies lead to a desired outcome? That is what I would call success. Although some of his pathways to such success I would be against- the pathway to hell being paved by good intentions, etc. I mean- you could stop the violence in Chicago by bombing the city out of existence. You could stop China from supposedly cheating us in trade by simply stopping all trade with China. You succeed in the stated outcome but is this the way to that end?

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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

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Citizen Baba wrote:
Maxwell wrote:I'd like to see something more concrete here. What will the cost be? What outcomes? Up until now, it's just been a fetish object for Trump. I wouldn't want to spend billions of dollars on a fetish object.

So naturally you're very upset at the billion or so wasteful spending on Obamacare, huh.


The topic is the wall. Let us know your thoughts -- assuming you have them.[/quote]

The topic is the OP, and you know I have more thoughts in my left earlobe than you have in your pointed little head. Try again you rude ignorant brat. I understand you're still butthurt over your election loss, but try being an adult today. You'll respect yourself later.

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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

Post by Citizen Baba » Tue Dec 27, 2016 7:27 pm

Maxwell wrote:
The topic is the OP, and you know I have more thoughts in my left earlobe than you have in your pointed little head.


How is the OP about Obamacare? Why did you change the subject?

How would the wall be classified a success?

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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

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Citizen Baba wrote:
Maxwell wrote:
The topic is the OP, and you know I have more thoughts in my left earlobe than you have in your pointed little head.


How is the OP about Obamacare? Why did you change the subject?

How would the wall be classified a success?

Now you're trolling. You're not that slick so just knock it off. This is my thread and the topic is in the title. You want to go on ignore or do you want to discuss?

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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

Post by Citizen Baba » Tue Dec 27, 2016 7:36 pm

Citizen Baba wrote:
How is the OP about Obamacare? Why did you change the subject?

How would the wall be classified a success?

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Post by BulletPark » Tue Dec 27, 2016 7:45 pm

Maxwell wrote:If so, why?


I hope he fails to push the button on the nukes.

Other than that the only thing he's doing is fucking you over.

And I'm good with him succeeding with that.
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Seriously? You would be happy if he succeeds at banning Muslims? At privatizing medicare and the VA? At starting an arms race? At ending ACA without replacing it with something decent? Why would any of these things make you happy?


What in my post makes you think I would be happy with any of those things?

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Post by Citizen Baba » Tue Dec 27, 2016 7:54 pm

I'd be fine with getting rid of the VA.

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muthafunky wrote:
Seriously? You would be happy if he succeeds at banning Muslims? At privatizing medicare and the VA? At starting an arms race? At ending ACA without replacing it with something decent? Why would any of these things make you happy?


What in my post makes you think I would be happy with any of those things?


"I'd be happy if Trump "succeeds" though some of his successes would be for things I don't want."


Perhaps it didn't come out quite as you meant it.

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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

Post by muthafunky » Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:09 pm

I think it came exactly how I wanted it. I don't know how you can read what I wrote and interpret it to mean I'd be happy if Muslims were banned from this country.

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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

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muthafunky wrote:I think it came exactly how I wanted it. I don't know how you can read what I wrote and interpret it to mean I'd be happy if Muslims were banned from this country.

That's the propaganda point. Similar to their propaganda point that conservatives are against immigration. The truth is we want Muslims vetted before coming in and we want ILLEGAL immigration stopped. They're liars, and once you accept that it is easier to understand them.

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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

Post by 5waldos » Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:20 pm

muthafunky wrote:I think it came exactly how I wanted it. I don't know how you can read what I wrote and interpret it to mean I'd be happy if Muslims were banned from this country.


Wouln't that be something that Trump could succeed at? And which, though you might not want, you say you would be happy for him succeeding at?

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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

Post by muthafunky » Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:36 pm

A Trump success does not mean that every single campaign soundbite becomes policy. Also, and I thought this would be obvious, but things that do become policy that I don't want will not make me happy.

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Post by Citizen Baba » Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:38 pm

muthafunky wrote:A Trump success does not mean that every single campaign soundbite becomes policy. Also, and I thought this would be obvious, but things that do become policy that I don't want will not make me happy.


How often do we call a presidency an unquestionable success? Answer: never. Which makes the question odd.

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Post by shunter » Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:48 pm

I hope he dies.
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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

Post by muthafunky » Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:51 pm

Success would be different for everyone too. I think for me success would be some of the following:

- The ludicrous campaign soundbites (build a wall, ban Muslims, etc) are never seriously considered
- ACA is overhauled and improved
- Personal and corporate taxes are simplified and reduced without blowing a hole in the deficit
- Foreign corporate earnings repatriated
- Trade talk is more bluster than policy and does somehow lead to better terms in some of our trade agreements
- Supreme Court vacancies undoubtedly filled with conservatives, but preferably not in the one dimensional bible thumper vein
- NATO allies start spending more on defense
- US avoids foreign wars
- Greatly increased infrastructure spending
- Fracking friendly government
- Healthy GDP growth
- Trump's ego and temper don't cause a nuclear armageddon

I'm sure there's more I can think of.

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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

Post by Citizen Baba » Tue Dec 27, 2016 9:00 pm

Sounds like you are defining a successful presidency as Trump not being Trump. I don't know that's possible.

Also, what expenditures would you like to see reduced in conjunction with the tax cuts in order for there not to be a larger deficit?

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Post by 5waldos » Tue Dec 27, 2016 9:04 pm

muthafunky wrote:A Trump success does not mean that every single campaign soundbite becomes policy. Also, and I thought this would be obvious, but things that do become policy that I don't want will not make me happy.


Perhaps it was just my reading of it but no- it was not obvious. Glad you clarified.

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Re: Do You Hope Trump Fails?

Post by 5waldos » Tue Dec 27, 2016 9:09 pm

Citizen Baba wrote:Sounds like you are defining a successful presidency as Trump not being Trump. I don't know that's possible.

Also, what expenditures would you like to see reduced in conjunction with the tax cuts in order for there not to be a larger deficit?


Kinda agree here- And I fear that Trump is going to be far more Trump than anybody (including his fans) really hope for. Already those in coal country are waking up to the fact that if the ACA is repealed they may well lose their black lung benefits, or at least many of them. They are surprised that he may actually do some of the things he swore for months that he would do.

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