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Post by RedsailsII » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:25 pm

Nice to see Nixon's speechwriter & 4F draft dodger calling for an investigation into John McCain's role in trying to promote democracy in Friend Putin's backyard.

"Lock McCain up!"


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What role did the CIA, the NED and John McCain play in the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Ukraine in 2014? McCain was seen cheering on the crowds in Independence Square in Kiev.


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Post by Electrolyte » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:05 pm

simon_in_exile wrote:This is a symptom of the real problem in the States as I see it: a large number of people are more loyal to their political party or certain personalities within it than they are to their country. If you're being told that your country has been compromised by a foreign power, and your response is to ignore it because it's more palatable to you to pretend it's the opposition party in your own country (who spent the past eight years pulling the shit economy they inherited out of the gutter), then America has an existentialist problem. The likes of nines and jim are zombies being guided by the enemy within. Peering into the US goldfish bowl from Moscow is proving fascinating.

Logg wrote:I don't think they're loyal to their party so much as seething with hatred toward the other party. That seems to be the sentiment on this site.

simon_in_exile wrote:There's certainly a large element of that - I agree. It'll be odd to see how the dynamic changes when the only people they can seethe at are their own party. It's at that point that other scapegoats will need to be found to feed the beast. China? Hispanics? The sane moderate minority in the Republican Party? Muslims again? So many targets to choose from.

All good posts.

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Logg wrote:I don't think they're loyal to their party so much as seething with hatred toward the other party. That seems to be the sentiment on this site.

Not quite.

It's that the Dumbocrats and their fake news outlets at the Compost and the Crimes didn't give a rat's ass about this 'news' for the six months prior to the election, and only started screaming bloody murder a week ago, after the recount crashed in a ball of flames.

Completely oblivious to the irony.

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Post by Jim-2012 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:31 pm

How could HRC supposedly have gotten 2.5 million more votes than Trump if Putin was interfering with the US election?
Was Putin boosting the HRC count?
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How could HRC supposedly have gotten 2.5 million more votes than Trump if Putin was interfering with the US election?

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Post by Moethebartender » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:50 pm

Godjira wrote:Former UK ambassador to what?


I guess making it all the way through the third paragraph was simply too tall a task for our Engrish teacher.

He wrote an interesting book about his time in Uzbekistan: Dirty Diplomacy: The Rough and Tumble Adventures of a Scotch-Drinking, Skirt-Chasing, Dictator-Busting and Thoroughly Unrepentant Ambassador Stuck on the Frontline of the War Against Terror

It didn't have pictures though and it was significantly longer than three paragraphs, so it won't really matter to you.
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Post by VinnyD » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:28 pm

Jim, try thinking for a minute before posting.

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Post by Jim-2012 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:33 pm

VinnyD wrote:Jim, try thinking for a minute before posting.

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Electrolyte wrote:
simon_in_exile wrote:This is a symptom of the real problem in the States as I see it: a large number of people are more loyal to their political party or certain personalities within it than they are to their country. If you're being told that your country has been compromised by a foreign power, and your response is to ignore it because it's more palatable to you to pretend it's the opposition party in your own country (who spent the past eight years pulling the shit economy they inherited out of the gutter), then America has an existentialist problem. The likes of nines and jim are zombies being guided by the enemy within. Peering into the US goldfish bowl from Moscow is proving fascinating.

Logg wrote:I don't think they're loyal to their party so much as seething with hatred toward the other party. That seems to be the sentiment on this site.

simon_in_exile wrote:There's certainly a large element of that - I agree. It'll be odd to see how the dynamic changes when the only people they can seethe at are their own party. It's at that point that other scapegoats will need to be found to feed the beast. China? Hispanics? The sane moderate minority in the Republican Party? Muslims again? So many targets to choose from.

All good posts.

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Logg wrote:I don't think they're loyal to their party so much as seething with hatred toward the other party. That seems to be the sentiment on this site.

Not quite.

It's that the Dumbocrats and their fake news outlets at the Compost and the Crimes didn't give a rat's ass about this 'news' for the six months prior to the election, and only started screaming bloody murder a week ago, after the recount crashed in a ball of flames.

Completely oblivious to the irony.



As far as the Republican Party, it might be Trump's party now. If you think about how popular Sarah Palin was in 2008 among the base, and then the rise of the Tea Party, Trump is merely the latest wave. In 2008, McCain symbolically conceded defeat when he took the microphone from his supporter and said, "no ma'am. He's not a Muslim. He's an American who loves his country; we just disagree over policy issues."

Those Republicans haven't won anything since. Trump defeated all of them in the primary. The GOP voters have spoken. Whether they can continue to win nationally via the Electoral College system with this calibre of candidate will be interesting to watch. They've shown you don't need to worry about a popular majority.

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Post by VinnyD » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:53 pm

Jim, now that you have had a minute to think, do you know the answer to the question you asked?

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VinnyD wrote:Jim, now that you have had a minute to think, do you know the answer to the question you asked?

The question was meant for you to explain how HRC got millions more votes than Trump despite the Russkies sabotaging her campaign.
I do not believe the Russians intervened in the election, but you apparently do.
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Post by cowtown » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:15 pm

So a few years and a couple million spent on Benghazi and now the GOP can’t be arsed for a House Select Committee to investigate?

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Logg wrote:As far as the Republican Party, it might be Trump's party now. If you think about how popular Sarah Palin was in 2008 among the base, and then the rise of the Tea Party, Trump is merely the latest wave.

They created a Frankenstein monster by promoting the ideas that facts can be made up and that experts don't know any more than anyone else. Once you have that well, I can be king then.

Logg wrote:In 2008, McCain symbolically conceded defeat when he took the microphone from his supporter and said, "no ma'am. He's not a Muslim. He's an American who loves his country; we just disagree over policy issues."

McCain earned the respect of his opponents and probably many of his supporters. Plus he will find it easier to live with himself. He did neglect to say that it shouldn't matter whether or not Obama is a Muslim.

Logg wrote:Those Republicans haven't won anything since.

Nothing except the house, the senate, and most of the governor positions.

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To put the Koch Bros, Ailes et al. to the wall.

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Some of you really do trust Russia more than your own government. We are seriously doomed.

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Moethebartender wrote:
Godjira wrote:Former UK ambassador to what?


I guess making it all the way through the third paragraph was simply too tall a task for our Engrish teacher.

He wrote an interesting book about his time in Uzbekistan: Dirty Diplomacy: The Rough and Tumble Adventures of a Scotch-Drinking, Skirt-Chasing, Dictator-Busting and Thoroughly Unrepentant Ambassador Stuck on the Frontline of the War Against Terror

It didn't have pictures though and it was significantly longer than three paragraphs, so it won't really matter to you.


Yeah, I read it, MaoTheDrunkenCunt.

I wanted to hear Sloppy say it to force him to be clear. Without mentioning the country, one might assume it was the US.
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Post by Moethebartender » Thu Dec 22, 2016 3:09 pm

The guy who once posted that the increase in the number of times he's blacked out from drinking were a sign that he wasn't really an alcoholic is actually calling someone else a sloppy drunk?

I'm afraid the shit you spout doesn't really make any sense at all. Might as well just stick to insulting male posters by implying they're gay, that's really what you're best at.
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Hm, this is the ambassador who was fired for corruption and lawbreaking and claims to be a close associate of Assange? Yeah, there's a rock solid source. Moe's getting into ditchdigger territory of alt right silliness, it appears.
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Post by VinnyD » Thu Dec 22, 2016 5:16 pm

So Jim, you really cannot think how these two statements could both be true?

1. The Russians intervened in the campaign with the intention of helping Donald Trump.

2. Hillary Clinton got 2.8 million more votes than Trump.

Think harder.

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Post by korgy » Thu Dec 22, 2016 5:49 pm

well, things should be looking up for Snowboy this year. would also be the perfect stunt for Trump to win over the most flaccid-spined lefties...
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Those Republicans haven't won anything since.

Logg is right. Moderate republicans are in decline





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Those Republicans haven't won anything since.
Nothing except the house, the senate, and most of the governor positions.

and look at who many of them are. The House is not a hard one for the GOP to win anymore since the latest resdistricting
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eric84 wrote:Hm, this is the ambassador who was fired for corruption and lawbreaking and claims to be a close associate of Assange? Yeah, there's a rock solid source. Moe's getting into ditchdigger territory of alt right silliness, it appears.


And who regularly appears on Kremlin-owned TV raving about what a good example it is of journalism.

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And who regularly appears on Kremlin-owned TV raving about what a good example it is of journalism.

I wonder if he ever appeared on RT with Retired Lt General Michael Flynn
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VinnyD wrote:Jim, now that you have had a minute to think, do you know the answer to the question you asked?

The question was meant for you to explain how HRC got millions more votes than Trump despite the Russkies sabotaging her campaign.
I do not believe the Russians intervened in the election, but you apparently do.

the questions are if Hillary would have won the election without the hacking of the russians and the most important question is, "Was Trump or anybody of his circle involved in the hacking of the russians"? In the last case, even if it wouldhave altered 0 votes, it is just unacceptable for America. It is the worst crime you can comitt as a political leader to your country.
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birdlite wrote:
icemonky84 wrote:Hm, this is the ambassador who was fired for corruption and lawbreaking and claims to be a close associate of Assange? Yeah, there's a rock solid source. Moe's getting into ditchdigger territory of alt right silliness, it appears.


And who regularly appears on Kremlin-owned TV raving about what a good example it is of journalism.


Aww.... My little leghumper just keeps on leghumping. After all these years on ignore. Isn't that umm... Disturbing?

In any case, all I did was point out that he was the UK ambassador to Uzbekistan (a fact that the Engrish teacher failed to grasp) who had written an interesting book about his time in that country. It's not as though I've endorsed the guy or what he is quoted as saying here.

In any case, I think you'll find (if you click on my link) that I'm far from the only person who has characterized his book as interesting. You mindless and hairless angry little muppet.

What on earth causes the sort of derangement that results in you pounding away at nothing, knowing that the only hope that I'll even take note of you is for someone to quote you? Do you consider yourself mentally normal? Considered seeking help? Just saying, you might want to.

These are rhetorical questions by the way - don't bother pounding away at a response that I'm not gonna read.

You'd have thought the Dems might have questioned the coronation of Hillary when she was struggling mightily to beat a guy that most people hadn't heard of prior to this election, a guy who openly proclaimed himself a socialist. You'd think that might have been a little bit of a warning signal.
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You'd have thought the Dems might have questioned the coronation of Hillary when she was struggling mightily to beat a guy that most people hadn't heard of prior to this election, a guy who openly proclaimed himself a socialist. You'd think that might have been a little bit of a warning signal.

But no.

Because you can't spell Democrats without using 'Dumbocrats'.
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For all intents and purposes, Trump is already President. No one on the world stage is paying Obama any mind.

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Maxwell wrote:For all intents and purposes, Trump is already President. No one on the world stage is paying Obama any mind.

He just closed off Alaska's oceans to offshore drilling; like He was God, or something.

No, that America-hating, Communist asshole is going out screaming.
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You are such a complete dumb fuck.

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cuchulainn wrote:You are such a complete dumb fuck.

And you have to move to one of the last Pubic burbs in LA to find a job.

Look who's laughing now.

Don't worry though; I'm laughing at you, not with you.
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Post by RedsailsII » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:49 pm

New Friend Vlad has been meddling with elections in countries with democratic governments for years, according to The Economist.


[url]http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21710277-donald-trump-appears-be-unsure-whether-or-not-govern-he-campaigned-tower
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When the new president takes the oath of office in January, officers in Russian intelligence will think they pulled off an historical win. That this fact has divided rather than uniting the two parties that run the world's greatest democracy should unsettle everyone.

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Post by RedsailsII » Sat Dec 24, 2016 4:59 pm

Donnie's New Friend Vlad held a 4-hour news conference yesterday and had some choice words about Ronald Reagan, and grinned broadly:

“Reagan would be happy that representatives of his party win everywhere, and he would be happy for the president-elect,” Putin said, adding with a smile: “No one but us believed in his victory.”



There you have it. St. Ronnie would have been a happy-happy camper. Also, the Democrats need to apologize to the American people for their "manipulation."



“The most important thing is the substance of the information the hackers have presented to the public opinion,” Putin said, adding that the Democrats should have apologized to Americans over the “manipulations” the emails revealed.

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Glenn Greenwald, the last journalist working, has a nice coda on this entire sordid episode.

It's long, but it's good.

Anonymous Leaks to the WashPost About the CIA’s Russia Beliefs Are No Substitute for Evidence

https://theintercept.com/2016/12/10/anonymous-leaks-to-the-washpost-about-the-cias-russia-beliefs-are-no-substitute-for-evidence/
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Lost Soul wrote:Glenn Greenwald, the last journalist working, has a nice coda on this entire sordid episode.

It's long, but it's good.

Anonymous Leaks to the WashPost About the CIA’s Russia Beliefs Are No Substitute for Evidence

https://theintercept.com/2016/12/10/anonymous-leaks-to-the-washpost-about-the-cias-russia-beliefs-are-no-substitute-for-evidence/


everything Greenwald writes about the CIA is true about Assange
1) Unnamed anonymous sources
2) Known and practiced liar
3) feuds with everybody (except Russian TV)
4) multiple grounds of confusion, contradictions, and uncertainty

By the way, Greenwald's claims of interagency feuding about the topic are, obviously, outdated as is his first comment that no one is opposing investigating Russian influence operations

Lastly, if Greenwald is the "last journalist" to you, and Greenwald publishes in Salon, I expect that you will not protest articles from Salon just because they were published on Salon

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Lost Soul wrote:Glenn Greenwald, the last journalist working, has a nice coda on this entire sordid episode.

It's long, but it's good.

Anonymous Leaks to the WashPost About the CIA’s Russia Beliefs Are No Substitute for Evidence

https://theintercept.com/2016/12/10/anonymous-leaks-to-the-washpost-about-the-cias-russia-beliefs-are-no-substitute-for-evidence/

Greenwald is right on.
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Post by RedsailsII » Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:57 pm

Granted, the CIA/mainstream media are two testicles in the same ballsack. Both need to be ELIMINATED under the Trump administration. We'll have a new and different CIA, folks. And a new media! And it will be very very beautiful. We'll be working with President Putin on this. Great person. Great people, the Russians.

Still, here's what the CIA said:

The CIA has concluded in a secret assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election to help Donald Trump win the presidency, rather than just to undermine confidence in the U.S. electoral system, according to officials briefed on the matter.

Intelligence agencies have identified individuals with connections to the Russian government who provided WikiLeaks with thousands of hacked emails from the Democratic National Committee and others, including Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman, according to U.S. officials. Those officials described the individuals as actors known to the intelligence community and part of a wider Russian operation to boost Trump and hurt Clinton’s chances.

“It is the assessment of the intelligence community that Russia’s goal here was to favor one candidate over the other, to help Trump get elected,” said a senior U.S. official briefed on an intelligence presentation made to U.S. senators. “That’s the consensus view.”

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When a White Identity sovereign citizen wannabe who thinks Obama's a closet Muslim that gave his daughters Islamic names, and whose only defense mechanism for the last ten years has been to call everyone he doesn't agree with a Communist starts calling a far left ideologue like Glenn Greenwald the last working journalist, you know the crazies are down to their last straw.

This should be an interesting investigation.

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starts calling a far left ideologue like Glenn Greenwald the last working journalist

He's a Libertarian, Disco.

The Left will never learn the difference, because at heart, the Left is totalitarian at heart.

Speaking of which, this week he is impeaching the absolute bullshit that birdlite is peddling, that Assange was/is a Russian stooge.

FAKE NEWS alert!

The shoddy and misleading Guardian article, written by Ben Jacobs, was published on December 24. It made two primary claims — both of which are demonstrably false. The first false claim was hyped in the article’s headline: “Julian Assange gives guarded praise of Trump and blasts Clinton in interview.” This claim was repeated in the first paragraph of the article: “Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, has offered guarded praise of Donald Trump. …”

The second claim was an even worse assault on basic journalism. Jacobs set up this claim by asserting that Assange “long had a close relationship with the Putin regime.” The only “evidence” offered for this extraordinary claim was that Assange, in 2012, conducted eight interviews that were broadcast on RT. With the claimed Assange-Putin alliance implanted, Jacobs then wrote: “In his interview with la Repubblica, [Assange] said there was no need for WikiLeaks to undertake a whistleblowing role in Russia because of the open and competitive debate he claimed exists there.”

The reason these two claims are so significant, so certain to attract massive numbers of clicks and shares, is obvious. They play directly into the biases of Clinton supporters and flatter their central narrative about the election: that Clinton lost because the Kremlin used its agents, such as Assange, to boost Trump and sink Clinton. By design, the article makes it seem as though Assange is heralding Russia as such a free, vibrant, and transparent political culture that — in contrast to the repressive West — no whistleblowing is needed, all while praising Trump.

But none of that actually happened. Those claims are made up.

Despite how much online attention it received, Jacobs’s Guardian article contained no original reporting. Indeed, it did nothing but purport to summarize the work of an actually diligent journalist: Stefania Maurizi of the Italian daily la Repubblica, who traveled to London and conducted the interview with Assange. Maurizi’s interview was conducted in English, and la Repubblica published the transcript online. Jacobs’s “work” consisted of nothing other than purporting to re-write the parts of that interview he wanted to highlight, so that he and The Guardian could receive the traffic for her work.

Ever since the Guardian article was published and went viral, Maurizi has repeatedly objected to the false claims being made about what Assange said in their interview. But while Western journalists keep re-tweeting and sharing The Guardian’s second-hand summary of this interview, they completely ignore Maurizi’s protests — for reasons that are both noxious and revealing.


https://theintercept.com/2016/12/29/the-guardians-summary-of-julian-assanges-interview-went-viral-and-was-completely-false/
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Re: CIA says Russia tried to help Trump

Post by RedsailsII » Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:26 am

Donnie wants you to move on. Nothing to see here folks:

President-elect Donald Trump on Thursday played down the ramifications of any Russian interference in the U.S. election, saying it is “time for the country to move on to bigger and better things”



Friend Vlad gets it right. A lot of Americans want a Strong Man gov., too. Round up the dissidents and raise a Vodka toast:


“I don’t put it down to me, the fact that a large part of Republican voters support the Russian president,” Putin said. “It means that a large part of the American people have the same idea of how the world should be, of our common dangers and problems.”

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Re: CIA says Russia tried to help Trump

Post by Lost Soul » Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:50 am

Here is another article on the "proof" that Russia did it. Hint: it's all neocon bullshit, led by the fake news artisans at the NYTimes and the Washington Compost.

"Trust us".

https://consortiumnews.com/2016/12/29/details-still-lacking-on-russian-hack/

Exclusive: The mainstream U.S. media is all atwitter about Russia having to pay a price for hacking into Democratic emails and supposedly tilting the U.S. election to Donald Trump, but the evidence still is lacking, reports Robert Parry.

By Robert Parry

Amid more promises of real evidence to come, the Obama administration released a report that again failed to demonstrate that there is any proof behind U.S. allegations that Russia both hacked into Democratic emails and distributed them via WikiLeaks to the American people.

The New York Times, which has been busy flogging the latest reasons to hate Russia and its President Vladimir Putin, asserted, “The F.B.I. and Department of Homeland Security released a report on Thursday detailing the ways that Russia acted to influence the American election through cyberespionage.”

But the actual report fell far short of “detailing” much at all about how the disclosures of the Democratic National Committee’s manipulation of the primaries to hobble Sen. Bernie Sanders and the contents of Hillary Clinton’s Wall Street speeches ended up at WikiLeaks and ultimately became available to American voters.

Most of the 13-page FBI/DHS report was devoted to suggestions on how Internet users can protect their emails from malware, but there was little new that proved that the Russians were the source of the Democratic emails given to WikiLeaks.

The tip-off to how little proof was being offered came in the report’s statement that “The U.S. government assesses that information was leaked to the press and publicly disclosed.” When you read a phrase like “the U.S. government assesses,” it really means the U.S. government is guessing – and the report notably uses a passive tense that doesn’t even assert that the Russians did the leaking.

A well-placed intelligence source told me that there’s little doubt that elements of Russian intelligence penetrated the emails of the Democratic National Committee and Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta, but the Russians were far from alone. Indeed, placing various forms of malware on computers is a common practice, as average folks who periodically take their laptops to an I.T. professional can attest. There’s always some kind of “spyware” or other malicious code to be discovered.

The source said the more debatable issue is whether Russian intelligence then turned over the emails to WikiLeaks, especially given that WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange and an associate, former British Ambassador Craig Murray, have stated that the material did not come from the Russian government. Murray has suggested that there were two separate sources, the DNC material coming from a disgruntled Democrat and the Podesta emails coming from possibly a U.S. intelligence source, since the Podesta Group represents Saudi Arabia and other foreign governments.

So, The New York Times misled its readers by claiming that the FBI/DHS report released Thursday was “detailing” how the Russians carried out the operation, and a separate Times article essentially acknowledged that the details were still to come.

“A more detailed report on the intelligence, ordered by President Obama, will be published in the next three weeks, though much of the detail — especially evidence collected from ‘implants’ in Russian computer systems, tapped conversations and spies — is expected to remain classified.”

In other words, the FBI/DHS report really didn’t have much in the way of details and the “more detailed report” – due out before President Obama leaves office on Jan. 20 – will still be hiding “much of the detail” to justify Obama’s retaliation against Russia including new sanctions and expulsion of 35 Russian diplomats or intelligence officers from the United States.

But the Times article does inadvertently make the interesting admission that the U.S. government has penetrated Russian computers, much as the U.S. government accuses Russia of doing to U.S. computers.

But the data purloined by these U.S. “implants” and other clandestinely obtained evidence – assuming there really is any – won’t be something that the American people will get to see.

The shell game will continue up to the start of the Trump administration with the apparent goal to hem in President Trump from trying to reach out to Russia to avert a costly and dangerous New Cold War.

But the evidence so far released by the Obama administration still amounts to “trust us.”
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Re: CIA says Russia tried to help Trump

Post by shunter » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:06 am

How is it fake news led by the ny times if the us state is actually acting. It's not like the US is acting on account of media reports. You're spraying your criticism around indiscriminately against your favourite targets.
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Re: CIA says Russia tried to help Trump

Post by VinnyD » Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:54 pm

Link to the most recent report, which I haven't read yet.

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Re: CIA says Russia tried to help Trump

Post by cowtown » Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:29 pm

Russian involvement and Trump’s Putin worship were obvious throughout the election.

The Trumpies were fooled and they sold us, America and the West out so now they lie because Pizzagate is REAL man and the CAI lies…just fucking fuck off
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Re: CIA says Russia tried to help Trump

Post by RedsailsII » Sat Dec 31, 2016 6:24 pm

MOSCOW— President Vladimir Putin castigated the United States on Friday for trying to punish Russia but said his country will not immediately retaliate and instead will wait for a new U.S. approach by Donald Trump.



Love Donnie's response. It's going to be a very very beautiful relationship between our two countries:

Trump’s reaction, as it often does, came via Twitter. “Great move on delay (by V. Putin),” Trump tweeted. “I always knew he was very smart!”

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Re: CIA says Russia tried to help Trump

Post by Lost Soul » Sat Dec 31, 2016 6:39 pm

Putin is smart enough to repeatedly make a fool out of the Laurete.

Here is Matt Taibbi, echoing me. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/something-about-this-russia-story-stinks-w458439


And here is more sanity from McAfee. http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/748523/john-mcafee-blasts-fbi-over-russian-hacking-claims

CYBERSECURITY tycoon John McAfee has blasted claims Moscow was involved in hacking the US presidential election, insisting it was “not the Russians”.
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Re: CIA says Russia tried to help Trump

Post by cuchulainn » Sat Dec 31, 2016 8:34 pm

Lost Soul's crush on Putin is embarrassing.

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Re: CIA says Russia tried to help Trump

Post by Lost Soul » Sun Jan 01, 2017 3:26 am

Regale me again about those WMDs, cuch.
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Re: CIA says Russia tried to help Trump

Post by Annotated » Sun Jan 01, 2017 6:08 pm



Good summary of the useful idiots in action.
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Re: CIA says Russia tried to help Trump

Post by eric84 » Sun Jan 01, 2017 6:25 pm

It's funny that you use useful idiots in this context, not that you would know why.
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Re: CIA says Russia tried to help Trump

Post by Annotated » Sun Jan 01, 2017 6:28 pm

It IS funny. And that's why I used it quite deliberately.
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