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Post by Lost Soul » Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:20 pm

cuchulainn wrote:Of course Lost Soul believes in piss down economics, like many an idiot.

Correct, because it increases wealth better than socialism, as any of a million books on the 20th century will show you, cuch.

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Post by eric84 » Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:29 pm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... bf51643123

Oh, the FBI now agrees with the CIA that Russia interfered in the election to help Trump.
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Post by VinnyD » Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:30 pm

The Supremes ruled that all money that Congress steals goes into one general fund.

What?

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Post by Lost Soul » Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:53 pm

VinnyD wrote:
The Supremes ruled that all money that Congress steals goes into one general fund.

What?

It's true.

And no, I don't have a link.
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Lost Soul wrote:
cuchulainn wrote:Of course Lost Soul believes in piss down economics, like many an idiot.

Correct, because it increases wealth better than socialism, as any of a million books on the 20th century will show you, cuch.

Happy reading.


And of course, that's the only choices there are. Rampant capitalism or socialism. :roll:

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Post by VinnyD » Sat Dec 17, 2016 1:02 am

LS: No it isn't, if you mean there can be no trust funds. And if you don't mean that, what do you mean?

Niners, what is your position? That Russia wasn't the party responsible for the hack of the DNC emails? That Russia was responsible, but that the hack had no effect on the election?

If you are saying they did it, and it may have had an effect, but we cannot know who would have veen elected absent Russian interference, then I think everyone agrees with you.

For those of you who have been relying on the FBI's alleged disagreement with the CIA:

FBI Director James B. Comey and Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. are in agreement with a CIA assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election in part to help Donald Trump win the White House, officials disclosed Friday, as President Obama issued a public warning to Moscow that it could face retaliation.

New revelations about Comey’s position could put to rest suggestions by some lawmakers that the CIA and the FBI weren’t on the same page on Russian President Vladi­mir Putin’s intentions.


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Post by Nines » Sat Dec 17, 2016 1:14 am

I think it was a conscientious whistleblower, somebody deep inside the DNC. Somebody that could no longer stand by and watch the corruption that is so eloquently displayed in those hacked emails. I notice nobody is denying their veracity.

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Post by ASQ » Sat Dec 17, 2016 1:18 am

Why does Niner's map seem so innacurate? I am almost 100% certain that Orange & Riveride CA counties voted for Hillary.
#fakenews

This map seems more correct for CA

http://www.politico.com/2016-election/r ... alifornia/

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Post by eric84 » Sat Dec 17, 2016 1:45 am

Nines wrote:I think it was a conscientious whistleblower, somebody deep inside the DNC. Somebody that could no longer stand by and watch the corruption that is so eloquently displayed in those hacked emails. I notice nobody is denying their veracity.


So despite the assessment of the FBI and CIAN they're wrong and you're half-assed conjecture based on nothing is right.
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Post by Nines » Sat Dec 17, 2016 1:58 am

"Two sources claim it was Sanders-supporting Dems who leaked to Wikileaks not Russia. So it was communists who leaked, not former communists." - Ann Coulter

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Post by eric84 » Sat Dec 17, 2016 2:04 am

Anne Coulter, are you fucking serious? So you would believe her over the FBI and the CIA, is that right?
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The blue parts are where actual people live....
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Post by section8 » Sat Dec 17, 2016 2:09 am

This 5th column shit probably has Ike spinning (or bayoneting traitors) in his grave.
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Post by Godjira » Sat Dec 17, 2016 2:15 am

Lost Soul wrote:I see you haven't read any of the DNC or Podesta emails. That figures.

Whatever you do, stay stupid.


Must be some charges coming up soon, huh?

Pathetic that the partisan bullshit is so deep in these idiots that they welcome Russian interference in US politics.

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Post by birdlite » Sat Dec 17, 2016 3:38 am

Nines wrote:Image

Remember that those blue spots represent almost 3 million more voters.

No one is saying that the Russian hack is the only reason for the loss, but denying Russian influence invites future influence operations. And Nines, we know you are smarter than that.

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Post by Godjira » Sat Dec 17, 2016 3:39 am

Imagine if there was a real threat to the country, say like during WWII. All the enemy would have to is show some kind of partisan preference and half the country will go running to the other side.
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Post by birdlite » Sat Dec 17, 2016 3:41 am

Nines wrote:I think it was a conscientious whistleblower, somebody deep inside the DNC. Somebody that could no longer stand by and watch the corruption that is so eloquently displayed in those hacked emails. I notice nobody is denying their veracity.

So maybe I was wrong about you.

As for veracity, I'd love to check the veracity of Trump's tax returns. How much do you think I'd need to pay hackers to make me "influential "?

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Nines wrote:"Two sources claim it was Sanders-supporting Dems who leaked to Wikileaks not Russia. So it was communists who leaked, not former communists." - Ann Coulter]


And now you are quoting Neo-Nazi Ann Coulter (see 4 grandparent rant).

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Nines wrote:"Two sources claim it was Sanders-supporting Dems who leaked to Wikileaks not Russia." - Ann Coulter
I think it was a conscientious whistleblower, somebody deep inside the DNC. Somebody that could no longer stand by and watch the corruption that is so eloquently displayed in those hacked emails. I notice nobody is denying their veracity.

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Post by Godjira » Sat Dec 17, 2016 5:17 am

Except there really wasn't any corruption and Ann Coulter is a horrible antisemite.
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Post by RedsailsII » Sat Dec 17, 2016 5:45 am

France's National Front wants to join Vlad and Donnie as part of the new populist right-wing order. Marine Le Pen stands with the former KGB head. How about you? Are you in? Vive le alt-droite. Because NATO sux. Better to hitch our wagon with Putin and ride shot-gun.



Marine Le Pen, leader of France’s far-right National Front, says that if she wins the presidential elections, the world will become a safer place, as France will cooperate with both US President-elect Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin.


“If I am president, France would have good relations with Russia,” Le Pen assured while casting doubt on the virtues of NATO. The block’s military expansion and build-up in Eastern Europe has been one of the major concerns for Russia.


https://www.rt.com/news/367210-france-elections-putin-trump-peace/

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I don't know. Russia seems ok. They're not Muslims. They are business friendly, not afraid of making an honest buck. Sure they have some sort of weird Catholic vibe going on but they are, again, not Muslims. I think their Prime Minister is misunderstood. He wants what is best for his countrymen and is striving to make his country great again. It might not be in a way we in the the US understand but his heart is in the right place. There's a lot to be said for that. It's been lacking in my country for the last 8 years. Division has been rampant. I want a leader who can unite everyone in a business like fashion to pull us out of this malaise.

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I actually thought you were being serious for a second there.
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That's the beauty of it.

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Post by simon_in_exile » Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:03 am

This is a symptom of the real problem in the States as I see it: a large number of people are more loyal to their political party or certain personalities within it than they are to their country. If you're being told that your country has been compromised by a foreign power, and your response is to ignore it because it's more palatable to you to pretend it's the opposition party in your own country (who spent the past eight years pulling the shit economy they inherited out of the gutter), then America has an existentialist problem. The likes of nines and jim are zombies being guided by the enemy within. Peering into the US goldfish bowl from Moscow is proving fascinating.
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Post by Logg » Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:09 am

I don't think they're loyal to their party so much as seething with hatred toward the other party. That seems to be the sentiment on this site.

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Post by simon_in_exile » Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:46 am

There's certainly a large element of that - I agree. It'll be odd to see how the dynamic changes when the only people they can seethe at are their own party. It's at that point that other scapegoats will need to be found to feed the beast. China? Hispanics? The sane moderate minority in the Republican Party? Muslims again? So many targets to choose from.
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Logg wrote:I don't think they're loyal to their party so much as seething with hatred toward the other party. That seems to be the sentiment on this site.

Not quite.

It's that the Dumbocrats and their fake news outlets at the Compost and the Crimes didn't give a rat's ass about this 'news' for the six months prior to the election, and only started screaming bloody murder a week ago, after the recount crashed in a ball of flames.
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Post by Godjira » Sat Dec 17, 2016 10:42 am

Recount? What a screwball.

If WWII were going on today, all that Hitler would have to do is give a speech in praise of Wendell Willkie, and the likes of Jim and Losty would be committing acts of sabotage.
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I don't know. Russia seems ok. They're not Muslims. They are business friendly, not afraid of making an honest buck. Sure they have some sort of weird Catholic vibe going on but they are, again, not Muslims. I think their Prime Minister is misunderstood. He wants what is best for his countrymen and is striving to make his country great again. It might not be in a way we in the the US understand but his heart is in the right place. There's a lot to be said for that. It's been lacking in my country for the last 8 years. Division has been rampant. I want a leader who can unite everyone in a business like fashion to pull us out of this malaise.


I see your point. Sometimes democracies go downhill. Too much bickering between the political parties. And at that point, you need a strongman to take charge. Even if only temporarily--five or ten years to clear up the mess. The Philippines is finally clearing up its drug problem, Hungary is building its wall and clearing up its foreign illegals. Democracies can't do that. Too many laws. Too many lawyers getting in the way.

Case in point, SYRIA: A Putin/Assad/Trump alliances will stop the suffering immediately. “The carnage in Syria remains a gaping hole in the global conscience,” said U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon. Well guess what? The Putin/Assad/Trump alliance is going to fill that hole, folks. And it's going to be beautiful.

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FBI supports CIA on Russian motive for interference

WASHINGTON — The FBI is supporting the CIA’s conclusion that Russia interfered in the presidential election with the goal of supporting Republican candidate Donald Trump.

In a message sent to employees, CIA Director John Brennan said he had spoken with FBI Director James Comey and James Clapper, the director of national intelligence.bBrennan said in the message that “there is strong consensus among us on the scope, nature, and intent of Russian interference in our presidential election.”



So these so-called "Intelligence agencies" [actually dumb agencies. Really dumb agencies, folks] are now piling on the anti-Putin bandwagon? They weren't very "intelligent" when they got us into Iraq, were they? These dumb agencies are full of elitist graduates from Ivy League schools who never worked a real day in their lives.

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Godjira wrote:Imagine if there was a real threat to the country, say like during WWII. All the enemy would have to is show some kind of partisan preference and half the country will go running to the other side.

No. They would have to show a particular partisan preference. There is only one side that rejects facts, denies science, and has their own lunatic narrative of history and present.

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Electrolyte wrote:
Godjira wrote:Imagine if there was a real threat to the country, say like during WWII. All the enemy would have to is show some kind of partisan preference and half the country will go running to the other side.

No. They would have to show a particular partisan preference. There is only one side that rejects facts, denies science, and has their own lunatic narrative of history and present.


Or can you imagine if 9-11 took place under Obama? It's genuinely frightening to consider the right's response.
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Lost Soul wrote:It's that the Dumbocrats and their fake news outlets at the Compost and the Crimes didn't give a rat's ass about this 'news' for the six months prior to the election, and only started screaming bloody murder a week ago, after the recount crashed in a ball of flames.


That's BS and you know it. They reported Manafort, Flynn, and Page ties. They reported the hacking source (remember the Trump's bad jokes last July about inviting Russian hackers)

Is that some new meme that's being put out there- that no one cared about Russia until last week?

Oh, no, now I see the new trend. Righties (yes, that's you LS) make fun of stories about Russian ties in order to dilute real concern and factual news stories.
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Post by VinnyD » Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:40 pm

The new meme started with a Trump tweet on 12 December: "Unless you catch "hackers" in the act, it is very hard to determine who was doing the hacking. Why wasn't this brought up before election?"

Like so many of Trump's tweets, it is complete bullshit.

Jim, that link is mostly words. Here is one that includes video.

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Post by RedsailsII » Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:42 pm

Friend Vlad said yesterday after the ambassador took a hit that Russia will work with Turkey AND IRAN to solve the Syria problem.


Pres. Donnie working with Friend Vlad and the Iranian Mullahs. That's a trio even better than the Ink Spots.

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There were four Ink Spots. It's a trio even better than the Andrews Sisters, to stick to that era.

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Post by Lost Soul » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:17 am

Here is Craig Murray, former UK ambassador and WikiLeaks insider, on the matter.

I had a call from a Guardian journalist this afternoon. The astonishing result was that for three hours, an article was accessible through the Guardian front page which actually included the truth among the CIA hype:

The Kremlin has rejected the hacking accusations, while the WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has previously said the DNC leaks were not linked to Russia. A second senior official cited by the Washington Post conceded that intelligence agencies did not have specific proof that the Kremlin was “directing” the hackers, who were said to be one step removed from the Russian government.
Craig Murray, the former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan, who is a close associate of Assange, called the CIA claims “bullshit”, adding: “They are absolutely making it up.”
“I know who leaked them,” Murray said. “I’ve met the person who leaked them, and they are certainly not Russian and it’s an insider. It’s a leak, not a hack; the two are different things.
“If what the CIA are saying is true, and the CIA’s statement refers to people who are known to be linked to the Russian state, they would have arrested someone if it was someone inside the United States.
“America has not been shy about arresting whistleblowers and it’s not been shy about extraditing hackers. They plainly have no knowledge whatsoever.”

But only three hours. While the article was not taken down, the home page links to it vanished and it was replaced by a ludicrous one repeating the mad CIA allegations against Russia and now claiming – incredibly – that the CIA believe the FBI is deliberately blocking the information on Russian collusion. Presumably this totally nutty theory, that Putin is somehow now controlling the FBI, is meant to answer my obvious objection that, if the CIA know who it is, why haven’t they arrested somebody. That bit of course would be the job of the FBI, who those desperate to annul the election now wish us to believe are the KGB.

It is terrible that the prime conduit for this paranoid nonsense is a once great newspaper, the Washington Post, which far from investigating executive power, now is a sounding board for totally evidence free anonymous source briefing of utter bullshit from the executive.


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Post by Lost Soul » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:26 am

Here is more on the matter.

https://consortiumnews.com/2016/12/18/a-spy-coup-in-america/

Who Did the Leaking?

At the center of this controversy is the question of who leaked or hacked the DNC and Podesta emails. The CIA has planted the story in The Washington Post, The New York Times and other mainstream outlets that it was Russia that hacked both the DNC and Podesta emails and slipped the material to WikiLeaks with the goal of assisting the Trump campaign. The suggestion is that Trump is Putin’s “puppet,” just as Hillary Clinton alleged during the third presidential debate.

But WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has publicly denied that Russia was the source of the leaks and one of his associates, former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan Craig Murray, has suggested that the DNC leak came from a “disgruntled” Democrat upset with the DNC’s sandbagging of the Sanders campaign and that the Podesta leak came from the U.S. intelligence community.

Although Assange recently has sought to muzzle Murray’s public comments – out of apparent concern for protecting the identity of sources – Murray offered possibly his most expansive account of the sourcing during a podcast interview with Scott Horton on Dec. 13.

Murray, who became a whistleblower himself when he protested Britain’s tolerance of human rights abuses in Uzbekistan, explained that he consults with Assange and cooperates with WikiLeaks “without being a formal member of the structure.”

But he appears to have undertaken a mission for WikiLeaks to contact one of the sources (or a representative) during a Sept. 25 visit to Washington where he says he met with a person in a wooded area of American University. At the time, Murray was at American University participating in an awards ceremony for former CIA officer John Kiriakou who was being honored by a group of former Western intelligence officials, the Sam Adams Associates, named for the late Vietnam War-era CIA analyst and whistleblower Sam Adams.

Former CIA analyst Ray McGovern, a founder of the Sam Adams group, told me that Murray was “m-c-ing” the event but then slipped away, skipping a reception that followed the award ceremony.

Reading Between LInes

Though Murray has declined to say exactly what the meeting in the woods was about, he may have been passing along messages about ways to protect the source from possible retaliation, maybe even an extraction plan if the source was in some legal or physical danger.

Murray has disputed a report in London’s Daily Mail that he was receiving a batch of the leaked Democratic emails. “The material, I think, was already safely with WikiLeaks before I got there in September,” Murray said in the interview with Scott Horton. “I had a small role to play.”

Murray also suggested that the DNC leak and the Podesta leak came from two different sources, neither of them the Russian government.

“The Podesta emails and the DNC emails are, of course, two separate things and we shouldn’t conclude that they both have the same source,” Murray said. “In both cases we’re talking of a leak, not a hack, in that the person who was responsible for getting that information out had legal access to that information.”

Reading between the lines of the interview, one could interpret Murray’s comments as suggesting that the DNC leak came from a Democratic source and that the Podesta leak came from someone inside the U.S. intelligence community, which may have been monitoring John Podesta’s emails because the Podesta Group, which he founded with his brother Tony, served as a registered “foreign agent” for Saudi Arabia.

“John Podesta was a paid lobbyist for the Saudi government,” Murray noted. “If the American security services were not watching the communications of the Saudi government’s paid lobbyist in Washington, then the American security services would not be doing their job. … His communications are going to be of interest to a great number of other security services as well.”

Leak by Americans

Scott Horton then asked, “Is it fair to say that you’re saying that the Podesta leak came from inside the intelligence services, NSA [the electronic spying National Security Agency] or another agency?”

“I think what I said was certainly compatible with that kind of interpretation, yeah,” Murray responded. “In both cases they are leaks by Americans.”

In reference to the leak of the DNC emails, Murray noted that “Julian Assange took very close interest in the death of Seth Rich, the Democratic staff member” who had worked for the DNC on voter databases and was shot and killed on July 10 near his Washington, D.C., home.

Murray continued, “WikiLeaks offered a $20,000 reward for information leading to the capture of his killers. So, obviously there are suspicions there about what’s happening and things are somewhat murky. I’m not saying – don’t get me wrong – I’m not saying that he was the source of the [DNC] leaks. What I’m saying is that it’s probably not an unfair indication to draw that WikiLeaks believes that he may have been killed by someone who thought he was the source of the leaks … whether correctly or incorrectly.”



Here is a podcast interview of Craig Murray on the matter.
https://www.libertarianinstitute.org/scotthortonshow/121316-craig-murray-dnc-podesta-emails-leaked-americans-not-hacked-russia/
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Post by Lost Soul » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:27 am

Godjira wrote:Former UK ambassador to what?

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Re: CIA says Russia tried to help Trump

Post by birdlite » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:04 am

We've already done the Murray thing. A conspiracy theorist and convert to church of Putin, praises RT - state owned Russian media - as "real journalism"

I think old Craig spent some dark days in a Kremlin basement because he totally contradicts things he said about putin just a year or so ago.

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Post by Godjira » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:07 am

Lost Soul wrote:
Godjira wrote:Former UK ambassador to what?

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Oh, well that settles it.
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Post by Jim-2012 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:08 pm

The Real Saboteurs of a Trump Foreign Policy
By Patrick J. Buchanan
December 21, 2016

The never-Trumpers are never going to surrender the myth that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the hacking of Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta and the Democratic National Committee to defeat Clinton and elect Donald Trump.
Their investment in the myth is just too huge.
For Clinton and her campaign, it is the only way to explain how they booted away a presidential election even Trump thought he had lost in November. To the mainstream media, this is the smoking gun in their Acela Corridor conspiracy to delegitimize Trump’s presidency.
Incoming Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer sees Russian hacking as a way to put a cloud over the administration before it begins. But it is the uber-hawks hereabouts who are after the really big game.
They seek to demonize Putin as the saboteur of democracy — someone who corrupted an American presidential election to bring about victory for a “useful idiot” whom Clinton called Putin’s “puppet.”

If the War Party can convert this “fake story” into the real story of 2016, then they can scuttle any Trump effort to attain the rapprochement with Russia that Trump promised to try to achieve.
If they can stigmatize Trump as “Putin’s president” and Putin as America’s implacable enemy, then the Russophobes are back in business.
Nor is the War Party disguising its goal.
Over the weekend, Sen. John McCain called for a congressional select committee to investigate Russian hacking into the Clinton campaign. The purpose of the investigations, said Sen. Lindsey Graham, “is to put on President Trump’s desk crippling sanctions against Russia.”
“They need to pay a price,” Graham chortled on Twitter.
“Crippling sanctions” would abort any modus vivendi, any deal with Russia, before Trump could negotiate one. Trump would have to refuse to impose them — and face the firestorm to follow. The War Party is out to dynamite any detente with Russia before it begins.
Among the reasons Trump won is that he promised to end U.S. involvement in the costly, bloody and interminable wars in the Middle East the Bushites and President Barack Obama brought us — and the neocons relish — and to reach a new understanding with Russia and Putin.
But to some in Washington, beating up on Russia is a conditioned reflex dating to the Cold War. For others in the media and the front groups called think tanks, Russophobia is in their DNA.

Though Julian Assange says WikiLeaks did not get the emails from Russia, this has to be investigated. Did Russia hack the DNC’s email system and John Podesta’s email account? Did Putin direct that the emails be provided to WikiLeaks to disrupt democracy or defeat Clinton?
Clinton says Putin has had it in for her because he believes she was behind the anti-Putin demonstrations in Moscow in 2011.
But if there is to be an investigation of clandestine interference in the politics and elections of foreign nations, let’s get it all out onto the table.
The CIA director and his deputies should be made to testify under oath, not only as to what they know about Russia’s role in the WikiLeaks email dumps but also about who inside the agency is behind the leaks to The Washington Post designed to put a cloud over the Trump presidency before it begins.
Agents and operatives of the CIA should be subjected to lie detector tests to learn who is leaking to the anti-Trump press.
Before any congressional investigation, President-elect Trump should call in his new director of the CIA, Rep. Mike Pompeo, and tell him to run down and remove, for criminal misconduct, any CIA agents or operatives leaking secrets to discredit his election.
Putin, after all, is not an American. The CIA saboteurs of the Trump presidency are. Will the media investigate the leakers? Not likely, for they are the beneficiaries of the leaks and co-conspirators of the leakers.

The top officials of the CIA and Carl Gershman, president of the National Endowment for Democracy, should be called to testify under oath. Were they behind anti-Putin demonstrations during the Russian elections of 2011?
Did the CIA or NED have a role in the “color-coded” revolutions to dump over pro-Russian governments in Moscow’s “near abroad”?
If Russia did intrude in our election, was it payback for our intrusions to bring about regime change in its neighborhood?
What role did the CIA, the NED and John McCain play in the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Ukraine in 2014? McCain was seen cheering on the crowds in Independence Square in Kiev.
Trump has promised a more hopeful foreign policy than that of the Republicans he denounced and is succeeding. No more wars where vital interests are not imperiled. No more U.S. troops arriving as first responders for freeloading allies.
The real saboteurs of his new foreign policy may not be inside the Ring Road in Moscow; rather, they may be inside the Beltway around D.C.
The real danger may be that a new Trump foreign policy could be hijacked or scuttled by anti-Trump Republicans, not only on Capitol Hill but inside the executive branch itself.
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Re: CIA says Russia tried to help Trump

Post by Godjira » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:47 pm

Pat Buchanan? Come on. Can't you guys find someone good?
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