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Post by Lost Soul » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:37 am

I turned him on to those two.

And now Omarosa has a White House job.
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Post by Lost Soul » Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:24 am

Meanwhile, another leftist media outlet has broken with your Maobamabotic meme, as promulgated by the fake news you all insist on reading and watching.

https://www.thenation.com/article/is-skepticism-treason/

Is Skepticism Treason?

Despite the scores of media pieces which assert that Russia’s interference in the election is “case closed,” some cyber experts say skepticism is still in order.

By James Carden


The final days of 2016 were filled with more developments—some real, some not—in the ongoing story of Russia’s alleged interference in the US presidential election. On December 29, the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security released a joint report that provided “technical details regarding the tools and infrastructure used by the Russian civilian and military intelligence Services (RIS) to compromise and exploit networks and endpoints associated with the U.S. election.”

In retaliation, the Obama administration announced that it was expelling 35 Russian diplomats, closing 2 diplomatic compounds in Maryland and New York, and applying sanctions on Russia’s intelligence service. A day later, December 30, The Washington Post reported that an electrical utility in Vermont had been infiltrated by the same Russian malware that used to hack the DNC.

Taken together, these events set off a wave of media condemnation not just of the Russian government, but of President-elect Donald J. Trump for what is widely believed to be his overly accommodative posture toward Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Yet despite the scores of breathless media pieces that assert that Russia’s interference in the election is “case closed,” might some skepticism be in order? Some cyber experts say “yes.”

As was quickly pointed out by the Burlington Free Press, The Washington Post’s story on the Vermont power grid was inaccurate. The malware was detected on a laptop that belonged to the utility but was not connected to the power plant. “The grid is not in danger,” said a spokesman for the Burlington utility. The Post has since amended its story with an editor’s note (as it did when its November 24 story on Russian “fake news” by reporter Craig Timberg was widely refuted) dialing back its original claims of Russian infiltration.

Meanwhile, the joint DHS/FBI report has come under scrutiny. Leonid Bershidsky, an outspoken critic of Vladimir Putin, believes that “the U.S. intelligence community is making a spectacle of itself under political pressure from the outgoing administration and some Congress hawks. It ought to stop doing so.”

Cyber-security experts have also weighed in. The security editor at Ars Technica observed that “Instead of providing smoking guns that the Russian government was behind specific hacks,” the government report “largely restates previous private sector claims without providing any support for their validity.” Robert M. Lee of the cyber-security company Dragos noted that the report “reads like a poorly done vendor intelligence report stringing together various aspects of attribution without evidence.” Cybersecurity consultant Jeffrey Carr noted that the report “merely listed every threat group ever reported on by a commercial cybersecurity company that is suspected of being Russian-made and lumped them under the heading of Russian Intelligence Services (RIS) without providing any supporting evidence that such a connection exists.”

In this respect, it is worth noting that one of the commercial cybersecurity companies the government has relied on is Crowdstrike, which was one of the companies initially brought in by the DNC to investigate the alleged hacks.

In late December, Crowdstrike released a largely debunked report claiming that the same Russian malware that was used to hack the DNC has been used by Russian intelligence to target Ukrainian artillery positions. Crowdstrike’s co-founder and chief technology officer, Dmitri Alperovitch, told PBS, “Ukraine’s artillery men were targeted by the same hackers…that targeted DNC, but this time they were targeting cellphones [belonging to the Ukrainian artillery men] to try to understand their location so that the Russian artillery forces can actually target them in the open battle.”

Dmitri Alperovitch is also a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council.

The connection between Alperovitch and the Atlantic Council has gone largely unremarked upon, but it is relevant given that the Atlantic Council—which is funded in part by the US State Department, NATO, the governments of Latvia and Lithuania, the Ukrainian World Congress, and the Ukrainian oligarch Victor Pinchuk—has been among the loudest voices calling for a new Cold War with Russia. As I pointed out in the pages of The Nation in November, the Atlantic Council has spent the past several years producing some of the most virulent specimens of the new Cold War propaganda.

It would seem then that a healthy amount of skepticism toward a government report that relied, in part, on the findings of private-sector cyber security companies like Crowdstrike might be in order. And yet skeptics have found themselves in the unenviable position of being accused of being Kremlin apologists, or worse.

When the progressive Internet juggernaut “The Young Turks” questioned the Obama administration’s move to impose new sanctions on Russia in the absence of any clear evidence of its involvement in the DNC hacks, Eric Boehlert of Media Matters for America took to Twitter to denounce the program, as well as Daily News columnist Shaun King—who had nothing to do with the ‘Turks’ segment—as “Kremlin cheerleaders.”

King replied in a Facebook post that “Demanding evidence does not make anybody a cheerleader. And working for a company where a journalist said he wanted to see the evidence for himself damn sure doesn’t make me a Kremlin cheerleader any more than EVERY journalist at CNN is responsible for what EVERY person who ever worked at CNN says.”

When Florida Congressman Ted Yoho seemed insufficiently impressed with the new DHS/FBI report, CNN’s national-security correspondent Jim Scuitto replied that Yoho’s argument was “an odd point to make for an American…. it seems you’re making a point that Vladimir Putin, frankly, has made.”

Meanwhile President-elect Donald J. Trump’s skeptical stance toward the flood of accusations against Russia has also aroused the ire of the pundit class. The Washington Monthly’s David Atkins said Trump’s “bizarre strategy of denying and minimizing” Russia’s interference in the election was “treason.” ABC news political analyst and former George W. Bush adviser Matthew Dowd declared that “U aren’t an American patriot & don’t respect Constitution if u believe Putin more than our President and intelligent services.” Former CIA operative Nada Bakos tweeted, “As a CIA officer, if I had a colleague talking like Trump is about Putin, I would think he was turned.” The Atlantic’s editor in chief Jeffrey Goldberg echoed Bakos’s sentiments almost exactly, accusing Trump of aligning “himself with the president of Russia and against the current American president.”

Given all of this, it would seem the rhetoric of blame is far outpacing the facts: All we have at the moment are assertions (which is different from evidence) and expressions of “confidence” (which is different from certainty).

Alas, this puts skeptics on “the side” of Putin’s Russia. But it may be useful to recall the novelist and journalist Arthur Koestler’s admonition that “the fear of finding oneself in bad company is not an expression of political purity, it is an expression of a lack of self-confidence.”

And until such time as hard evidence is presented, skepticism, not blind faith in assertions of fact from the government, is what is required
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Post by birdlite » Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:34 am

There is nothing wrong with skepticism, but don't try to pretend that you are being skeptical. You have said flat out it was not the Russians. I might have to search for exact text, but you pretty much have come across as an Assange believer...and if you don't treat Assange with skepticism, well, you really need to double check your belief system.

As far as flipping on Assange, his only supporters here were the far lefties like
Chimes and Zaffer. The rest of your labelled "liberals" either had no comment or, like polardude, were critical.

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birdlite wrote:There is nothing wrong with skepticism, but don't try to pretend that you are being skeptical.

Fascinating.

You have said flat out it was not the Russians. I might have to search for exact text, but you pretty much have come across as an Assange believer...and if you don't treat Assange with skepticism, well, you really need to double check your belief system.

As far as flipping on Assange, his only supporters here were the far lefties like
Chimes and Zaffer. The rest of your labelled "liberals" either had no comment or, like polardude, were critical.

Really.
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Post by WhosieWho » Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:46 pm

Butbutbut Obama (CIA/NSA) can't reveal the 'how-we-got-the-info' proof w/o blowing that tech angle. So he bungles the psy-ops retort, utterly.

Kinda like the bin Laden helicopter crash in Pakistan, which handed the Chinese 30 years of US advanced tech.

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Post by Jim-2012 » Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:51 pm

Election Hacking: An Inside Job We Can Believe In
By Jack Perry
January 5, 2017

Latest on the news is Trump says he’s about to reveal insider information about the hacking of the Democratic Party computers. Perhaps he already has with a statement from Kellyanne Conway about WikiLeaks. Ok, yes, we know WikiLeaks. But the White House says Wiki got it from Russians. I think the answer is obvious to anyone who’s familiar with how many “whistleblowers” come into possession of the proverbial whistle.

Here’s how it goes down, people: Jim Happy is employed at Sunshine Industries. He’s been working there for almost 20 years, so he knows the systems there from top to bottom. One day, the new CEO decides Jim simply isn’t “youthful” enough to appeal to the younger customers. So, he is quietly moved from Upper Staff to Warehouse and Jillian Sneed takes Jim’s job, despite her having come on board at Sunshine just six months prior. To say Jim is angry, disillusioned, and vengeful would be an understatement. Therefore, Jim goes to the IRS with all the evidence of corporate tax evasion that he knew of but kept quiet so long as it was in his interest to do so. But rather than possibly implicate himself, he sends it to the IRS anonymously through their snitch hotline. Within days, headlines across the nation are ablaze with the story and Sunshine’s stock tumbles on Wall Street and they can’t even give shares away. Sunshine demoted Jim Happy, but Jim Happy took down the company with him.

That is how it rolls, okay? That’s how stuff gets done in America. No, not “the Russians”. That’s just a smokescreen to hide the fact of what was known and who knew it. I suspect this: Someone deep in the Democratic Party, maybe Hillary’s campaign, got some serious hurt feelings over something. As many egos are in play over there, this is bound to happen. So this individual pulled his or her own “Pentagon Papers” late one night and “Quiet Couriered” then over to WikiLeaks. Now, of course, the Democrats would know who did it. I mean, come on, your computers are really that insecure and they know right where to find this stuff amidst the gazillions of emails about expense reports due and so on? I think they knew and I think Obama knows now. But they can’t admit it was an inside job! How would that look?!

These things are nearly always inside jobs. This has “disgruntled employee” written all over it. Every whistleblower deal does. Of course, the Democrats would want to bury this one deep because it would also imply that one of their own “did the right thing” and came forward. Which would, obviously, discredit the entire campaign and candidate, to say nothing of the party itself. WikiLeaks isn’t going to say one way or the other because of confidentiality and protecting their source if they even know. Every journalist worthy of the name protects his source. But they’re not going to sit by and watch Russia get blamed wrongly, either.

It also serves the purpose of trying to hamstring Trump as he comes into office. The Democrats have shown they’re willing to start the Second Cold War in order to do this. But the primary motive is self-preservation because if the American people found out this was an inside job, they’re going to see corruption in the Democratic Party pretty much confirmed by them. Not to mention the corruption of the cover-up and then blaming a nuclear-armed nation to do so. People are then going to wonder what else they’re not being told.

Now I can’t prove this was an inside job. But I say history shows that, in both the public and private sector, whistleblowing comes from the inside nearly ten times out of ten. This wasn’t “hacking”, this was whistleblowing. Because “hacking” would have involved disabling their computers and destroying valuable documents. Not revealing things that they DID SAY which would mortally damage their campaign if made public. Let’s compare apples to apples here, not apples to grapefruit. When the United States hacked into Iran’s computers, they inserted a “worm” which wreaked havoc on their systems and destroyed large parts of it. Ok, so why was this not the case with the Democrats’ computers? No, what happened is embarrassing FACTS were revealed. That’s not “hacking”, that’s whistleblowing.

As I said, whistleblowers generally always come from within an organization. That is how they know what embarrassing facts exist, where to find them, and which ones will damage the organization the most. Because they’ve sat in on the meetings where it was said, “Gosh, if this ever gets out, our goose is cooked!” But organizations themselves don’t always know who is capable of becoming a whistleblower. They don’t find out until it hits the headlines. Then they know they’ve got a “leak”. Remember, before the computer, that was what these things were called. A “leak”. And they always originated from inside the organization. Several presidents were paranoid about “leaks” from within their own cabinets. Remember? “So-and-so leaked our plan to invade Cambodia to the press…” But now with computers, “leaks” can be pinned on “computer hacking” by countries that are safe to vilify in the press.

We’re asking the wrong questions here. The question is not “How do we know the Russians didn’t do it?” The question is, “How do we know this wasn’t an inside job by a whistleblower?” What, you think that guy is going to want and go public after this mess? The dude is probably halfway to some country that does not extradite by now with all his cash converted into gold and a forged passport. The answers will not come from the Democrats. But the Democrats and Establishment Republicans control the investigation and that’s like putting coyotes in charge of investigating a missing chicken from a henhouse. “We need to interview the surviving chickens…” Yes, I bet they do.

And if it is an inside job, look at it for what it’s worth. They’re willing to risk everyone’s lives just to cover their own sixes. Is that enough hope and change for you in one lifetime?
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The same people hacked Podesta and the DNC, Jim. Do you not believe that?

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VinnyD wrote:The same people hacked Podesta and the DNC, Jim. Do you not believe that?

Podesta and the DNC were not hacked; Wikileaks got their info from unhappy Democrats (maybe Sanders supporters), and Obama and Clinton minions probably know this, but try to put the blame on the "Russians".
Seth Rich paid with his life because the Dems suspected him of divulging info.
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There is a record of the Podesta hacking, Jim, by way of spearphishing. Do you not know that?

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VinnyD wrote:There is a record of the Podesta hacking, Jim, by way of spearphishing. Do you not know that?

Alleged hacking. I am skeptical about anything the Democrats say.
In any case, there is no proof that the Russian state hacked; if Podesta was hacked, it could have been a lone hacker.
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Post by avalon_ » Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:02 pm

But it's not democrats saying it. It's the intelligence community and they are reporting on it live right now. The discussion is being led by a republican senator. Turn your TV on.

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avalon_ wrote:But it's not democrats saying it. It's the intelligence community and they are reporting on it live right now. The discussion is being led by a republican. Turn your TV on.

McCain might as well call himself a Democrat, and the intelligence community has been so politicized by the Obama Democrats that the Trump administration needs to clean house when he takes office.
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McCain might as well call himself a Democrat, and the intelligence community has been so politicized by the Obama Democrats that the Trump administration needs to clean house when he takes office.


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A lone hacker who is also know. to have hacked 1500 other sites.

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Post by eric84 » Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:06 pm

So, Trump promised new information about the hacking several days ago. Where is it?
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Post by RedsailsII » Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:46 pm

The C.I.A (liars!) doubled down today, so The Don's best move would be to fire the CIA (LOOOsers!) on election day and let Friend Vlad operate our intelligence agencies.



The top U.S. intelligence official told Congress on Thursday he was "even more resolute" in his belief that Russia staged cyber attacks on Democrats in the 2016 election campaign, despite skepticism from Republican President-elect Donald Trump about findings on Moscow's role.

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northern_goddess wrote:
Who else saw #CharlesManson trending and thought
@realDonaldTrump had announced another Cabinet pick?


That's hilarious. Who said that?

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RedsailsII wrote:The C.I.A (liars!) doubled down today, so The Don's best move would be to fire the CIA (LOOOsers!) on election day and let Friend Vlad operate our intelligence agencies.



The top U.S. intelligence official told Congress on Thursday he was "even more resolute" in his belief that Russia staged cyber attacks on Democrats in the 2016 election campaign, despite skepticism from Republican President-elect Donald Trump about findings on Moscow's role.

Anyone who believed Clapper when he denied before congress that the NSA reads the email of Americans, deserves to be lied to again about hacking.
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Post by Godjira » Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:47 am

How about that guy who died in May you believe died in August, Jim? Another victim?
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Here is more evidence, as if any was still needed, that the head of the CIA is just a partisan hack in this entire shit show.

These two old pros affirm this most assuredly.


William Binney, Ray McGovern

Op-ed: DNC and Podesta emails were leaked, not hacked, op-ed writers say.

January 5, 2017, 12:34 PM


It has been several weeks since the New York Times reported that "overwhelming circumstantial evidence" led the CIA to believe that Russian President Vladimir Putin "deployed computer hackers" to help Donald Trump win the election. But the evidence released so far has been far from overwhelming.

The long anticipated Joint Analysis Report issued by the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI on Dec. 29 met widespread criticism in the technical community. Worse still, some of the advice it offered led to a very alarmist false alarm about supposed Russian hacking into a Vermont electric power station.

Advertised in advance as providing proof of Russian hacking, the report fell embarrassingly short of that goal. The thin gruel that it did contain was watered down further by the following unusual warning atop page 1: "DISCLAIMER: This report is provided 'as is' for informational purposes only. The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) does not provide any warranties of any kind regarding any information contained within."

Also, curiously absent was any clear input from the CIA, NSA or Director of National Intelligence James Clapper. Reportedly, Mr. Clapper will get a chance tomorrow to brief an understandably skeptical Donald Trump, who has called the briefing delay "very strange," even suggesting that top intelligence officials "need more time to build a case."

Mr. Trump's skepticism is warranted not only by technical realities, but also by human ones, including the dramatis personae involved. Mr. Clapper has admitted giving Congress on March 12, 2013, false testimony regarding the extent of NSA collection of data on Americans. Four months later, after the Edward Snowden revelations, Mr. Clapper apologized to the Senate for testimony he admitted was "clearly erroneous." That he is a survivor was already apparent by the way he landed on his feet after the intelligence debacle on Iraq.

Mr. Clapper was a key player in facilitating the fraudulent intelligence. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld put Mr. Clapper in charge of the analysis of satellite imagery, the best source for pinpointing the location of weapons of mass destruction — if any.

When Pentagon favorites like Iraqi émigré Ahmed Chalabi plied U.S. intelligence with spurious "evidence" on WMD in Iraq, Mr. Clapper was in position to suppress the findings of any imagery analyst who might have the temerity to report, for example, that the Iraqi "chemical weapons facility" for which Mr. Chalabi provided the geographic coordinates was nothing of the kind. Mr. Clapper preferred to go by the Rumsfeldian dictum: "The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." (It will be interesting to see if he tries that out on the president-elect Friday.)

A year after the war began, Mr. Chalabi told the media, "We are heroes in error. As far as we're concerned we've been entirely successful." By that time it was clear there were no WMD in Iraq. When Mr. Clapper was asked to explain, he opined, without adducing any evidence, that they probably were moved into Syria.

With respect to the alleged interference by Russia and WikiLeaks in the U.S. election, it is a major mystery why U.S. intelligence feels it must rely on "circumstantial evidence," when it has NSA's vacuum cleaner sucking up hard evidence galore. What we know of NSA's capabilities shows that the email disclosures were from leaking, not hacking.

Here's the difference:

Hack: When someone in a remote location electronically penetrates operating systems, firewalls or other cyber-protection systems and then extracts data. Our own considerable experience, plus the rich detail revealed by Edward Snowden, persuades us that, with NSA's formidable trace capability, it can identify both sender and recipient of any and all data crossing the network.

Leak: When someone physically takes data out of an organization — on a thumb drive, for example — and gives it to someone else, as Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning did. Leaking is the only way such data can be copied and removed with no electronic trace.

Because NSA can trace exactly where and how any "hacked" emails from the Democratic National Committee or other servers were routed through the network, it is puzzling why NSA cannot produce hard evidence implicating the Russian government and WikiLeaks. Unless we are dealing with a leak from an insider, not a hack, as other reporting suggests. From a technical perspective alone, we are convinced that this is what happened.

Lastly, the CIA is almost totally dependent on NSA for ground truth in this electronic arena. Given Mr. Clapper's checkered record for accuracy in describing NSA activities, it is to be hoped that the director of NSA will join him for the briefing with Mr. Trump.

William Binney (williambinney0802@comcast.net) worked for NSA for 36 years, retiring in 2001 as the technical director of world military and geopolitical analysis and reporting; he created many of the collection systems still used by NSA. Ray McGovern (rrmcgovern@gmail.com) was a CIA analyst for 27 years; he briefed the president's daily brief one-on-one to President Reagan's most senior national security officials from 1981-85.


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Jim, would you object to the NSA reading the email of Americans?

Do you object to Wikileaks publishing the email of Americans (so that the NSA and others can read it)?

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Godjira wrote:Opinion is not evidence, Shemp

Except they gave evidence, not opinion, my special needs reader.

Evidence that the DHS report came with a disclaimer.

Evidence that it was a leak, not a hack, and therefore not by Russia.

And evidence that Clapper is a confirmed liar for his political bosses.
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You don't understand the word "evidence" in a legal context, do you Loosey Mason?
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VinnyD wrote:Jim, would you object to the NSA reading the email of Americans?

Do you object to Wikileaks publishing the email of Americans (so that the NSA and others can read it)?

The 4th amendment forbids the feds from reading the email of Americans, so of course I object to their reading such emails.
Wikileaks is not an arm of the US government, so when they publish emails that insiders leaked to them, I do not object to that.
I did not object to NYT publishing the Ellsberg pentagon papers.
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Post by VinnyD » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:56 pm

I don't think the Fourth Amendment forbids the NSA from reading things that have been published by Wikileaks.

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Obama on Russia's Alleged Hacks: Lame Duck Sings Swan Song
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Julian Assange says that no state entity provided stolen emails to Wikileaks. He is adamant about this. It gets little coverage. Fox News did report this, but the Democrat-controlled mainstream media have not.

Assange made this clear: “Everything is almost completely insecure now. Computer systems have become so complex that it is not possible to understand all the parts, let alone secure them. It’s just impossible.” We know this. Yahoo certainly knows this.

How do the CIA and the FBI know that Russian hackers did this? Why not blame that most familiar of sources, a disgruntled leader? The Wikileaks agent who collected the mails has said that the leaker was a Democrat insider who had access to the emails. The Daily Mail reports:

A Wikileaks envoy today claims he personally received Clinton campaign emails in Washington D.C. after they were leaked by ‘disgusted’ whisteblowers – and not hacked by Russia.Craig Murray, former British ambassador to Uzbekistan and a close associate of Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, told Dailymail.com that he flew to Washington, D.C. for a clandestine hand-off with one of the email sources in September.

‘Neither of [the leaks] came from the Russians,’ said Murray in an interview with Dailymail.com on Tuesday. ‘The source had legal access to the information. The documents came from inside leaks, not hacks.’

That is quite clear. But that is not good enough for President Obama. ABC News posted this headline: Obama Vows Retaliation as Evidence of Russian Hacking Mounts.

I saw that and chuckled. This is the most feckless President since Jimmy Carter. Obama pulled troops out of Iraq, and Iraq fell apart, just as non-interventionists had said would happen in 2003. ISIS — called ISIL by Obama — began creating Havoc. Suicide bombings are a way of life. Meanwhile, back in Afghanistan, U.S. troops are overseeing a 16-year losing campaign. As for Syria, Assad is winning, much to Obama’s consternation.

He has not gotten anything through Congress since ObamaCare, which is visibly falling apart.

In 2011, he announced that U.S. troops captured bin Laden, for which he offered no proof. There was no body. But even if U.S. troops did do this, they were simply following Bush’s orders. Remember “dead or alive”? Obama had done nothing unique about bin Laden.

This is the man who went before the press in his final press conference of 2016, and announced this:

“I think there is no doubt that when any foreign government tries to impact the integrity of our elections … we need to take action. And we will — at a time and place of our own choosing.”

Better put: “You and who else?”

Obama said that he told Putin at the September G-20 meeting “to cut it out, and there were going to be some serious consequences if he didn’t.” He says that’s all it took. “In fact, we did not see further tampering of the election process,” Obama said. “But the leaks through WikiLeaks had already occurred.”

Well, I guess that showed Putin!

Putin is still in office. Obama will not be a month from now.
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Wikileaks complaining that obama is leaking info to NBC. Irony is officially dead.
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Post by WhosieWho » Sat Jan 07, 2017 4:27 am

A website says Charles Manson is dead.
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eric84 wrote:Wikileaks complaining that obama is leaking info to NBC. Irony is officially dead.

Trump is complaining, and rightfully so.

Or it's just further evidence that this is all political bullshit from Maobama trying to ding Trump.


President-elect Donald Trump said on Friday that he would ask congressional committees to investigate NBC's receipt of top secret information, apparently referring to a report on Russian hacking to influence the 2016 U.S. election.

"I am asking the chairs of the House and Senate committees to investigate top secret intelligence shared with NBC prior to me seeing it," Trump said in a post on Twitter.

Several news outlets carried stories on Thursday evening on a U.S. intelligence report on Russian efforts to influence American presidential election. The report was delivered to President Barack Obama earlier in the day.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-cyber-nbc-idUSKBN14Q22L
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Facing calls to strike back at Russia for President Vladimir Putin’s decision to hack the 2016 U.S. election campaign, president-elect Donald Trump instead suggested warmer relations between the two countries.

“Having a good relationship with Russia is a good thing, not a bad thing,” Trump said Saturday in a series of three Twitter posts. “Only ‘stupid’ people, or fools, would think it is bad! We have enough problems around the world without yet another one.”
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Lost Soul wrote:
President-elect Donald Trump said on Friday that he would ask congressional committees to investigate NBC's receipt of top secret information, apparently referring to a report on Russian hacking to influence the 2016 U.S. election.

"I am asking the chairs of the House and Senate committees to investigate top secret intelligence shared with NBC prior to me seeing it," Trump said in a post on Twitter.

Several news outlets carried stories on Thursday evening on a U.S. intelligence report on Russian efforts to influence American presidential election. The report was delivered to President Barack Obama earlier in the day.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-cyber-nbc-idUSKBN14Q22L



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Post by VinnyD » Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:06 am

I can see why he would have warm feelings toward a country that tried to swing the election his way. I don't think anyone is very surprised by that.

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Trump is trying to head his Watergate off at the pass.
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He's sounding a bit desperate, but he trying to keep putin happy and forestall any investigation.
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Post by RedsailsII » Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:47 pm

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said Sunday he believes President-elect Donald Trump's hopes of working more cooperatively with Russia "will be dashed pretty quickly."



Looks like Mitch will have to be hauled before the new "House Un-Russian Activities Committee" too.

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Post by eric84 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:36 am

Lost Soul wrote:
eric84 wrote:Wikileaks complaining that obama is leaking info to NBC. Irony is officially dead.

Trump is complaining, and rightfully so.

Or it's just further evidence that this is all political bullshit from Maobama trying to ding Trump.


President-elect Donald Trump said on Friday that he would ask congressional committees to investigate NBC's receipt of top secret information, apparently referring to a report on Russian hacking to influence the 2016 U.S. election.

"I am asking the chairs of the House and Senate committees to investigate top secret intelligence shared with NBC prior to me seeing it," Trump said in a post on Twitter.

Several news outlets carried stories on Thursday evening on a U.S. intelligence report on Russian efforts to influence American presidential election. The report was delivered to President Barack Obama earlier in the day.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-cyber-nbc-idUSKBN14Q22L


Leaking things for political reasons!! Omg! Gosh, Trump bashes the CIA and he thinks they're not going to simply take it?
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They didn't leak it. Maobama did.
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Lost Soul wrote:They didn't leak it. Maobama did.


Who cares who leaked it, just as long as news of this corruption reaches the people?
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A Case Study in the Creation of False News
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For many weeks we have witnessed the extraordinary attack by the CIA and its assets in Congress and the media on Donald Trump’s election. In an unprecedented effort to delegitimize Trump’s election as the product of Russian interference in the election, the CIA, media, senators and representatives have consistently made wild accusations for which they have no evidence. The CIA’s message to Trump is clear: Get in line with our agenda, or we are going to mess you over.

It is clear that the CIA is warring against Trump. But the CIA’s media assets have turned the facts on their head and are blaming Trump for having a negative view of the CIA.

Consider the January 4 Wall Street Journal article by Damian Paletta and Julian E. Barnes, which begins: “President-elect Donald Trump, a harsh critic of U.S. intelligence agencies . . .” The two presstitutes set up their false news story by putting the shoe on the other foot. It is Trump who is the harsh critic rather than the victim of the CIA’s harsh accusations. Set up this way, the story continues:

“White House officials have been increasingly frustrated by Mr. Trump’s confrontations with intelligence officials. ‘It’s appalling,” the official said. “No president has ever taken on the CIA and come out looking good.’”

Now that the story is Trump taking on the CIA and not the CIA taking on Trump, the case can be built against Trump:

Analysts accustomed to more cohesion with the White House are “jarred” by Trump’s skepticism of the CIA’s assessment that Putin got him elected. Trump is supposed to respond to the allegation by saying: I am not legitimate. Here take back the presidency.


That question prompts a question of its own: “What plausible reason could the NYTimes have for trying so hard to discredit the presidency of Donald Trump on the basis of wild unsupported allegations?”

The fake news is proliferating. Today (January 6) Reuters reported: “The CIA has identified Russian officials who fed material hacked from the Democratic National Committee and party leaders to WikiLeaks at the direction of Russian President Vladimir Putin through third parties, according to a new US intelligence report, (unnamed) senior US officials said on Thursday.”

Perhaps what Reuters meant to say but did not is this: “Officials who spoke on condition of anonymity claimed that the CIA has identified the Russian officials who fed the hacked emails to WikiLeaks, but the official did not tell Reuters who the Russian officials are or how they identified them.”

In other words, the Reuters story is just another CIA planted story—a favor from a media asset. As Udo Ulfkotte told us, this is how it works.

Next Reuters tells us that the report is Top Secret, which, of course, means that we will never see any evidence in behalf of the CIA’s allegation. We are supposed to trust that the CIA has the information but can’t tell us. The Reuters report doesn’t see anything unusual in this. Another favor by an asset.

In Reuters’ favor-laden news report, Reuters tell us that the hacked material reached WikiLeaks from Russia’s military intelligence agency via “a circuitous route” so that Assange did not know the origin of the material and thus could say that it was not given to him by a state agency.

What could be going on here? Several things come to mind. Perhaps there is an effort to force Assange to reveal his source (which could be that DNC staffer who was mysteriously shot down in the street) as this would be a surefire way of getting rid of WikiLeaks. WikiLeaks has never revealed a source. Once it does, no further leaks will flow to WikiLeaks.

Another possibility is that by persistently making wild unsupported accusations that Trump was elected by Putin, the CIA is making it clear to Trump that they are playing for keeps. Trump is a strong man, but don’t be surprised if he comes out of the briefing with the CIA accepting their story as he might be brought to the realization that the alternative to compliance with the CIA could be death.
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Re: CIA says Russia tried to help Trump

Post by eric84 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:05 pm

Lost Soul wrote:They didn't leak it. Maobama did.


Why wouldn't the CIA leak it? It's their integrity that Trump is attacking so they have plenty of motivation to do so.
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They don't have to leak it, not when Maobama is on board.

Leaking is illegal for them, not for him. And by him I mean his minions.
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Post by eric84 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:20 pm

Leaking is illegal....ha, good one. You see the difficulty though when you attack entire agencies in the media. They tend to get pissed off and retaliate.
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Post by birdlite » Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:23 pm

Lost Soul wrote:They don't have to leak it, not when Maobama is on board.

Leaking is illegal for them, not for him. And by him I mean his minions.


So where is the proof that NBC hot the confidential report?

How about today's news that the Russians knew about the Tillerman appointment before Trump announced it?

Now I am back to reading Jim's resources, especially this one" Fact: There has never been an expository Bible commentary that shows that the Bible teaches anything other than free market capitalism."

Jim- remember that you said you would not belive it was a hack without a name? Why do you believe Wikileaks without a name?

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Post by Jim-2012 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:49 pm

Birdlite wrote:Now I am back to reading Jim's resources, especially this one" Fact: There has never been an expository Bible commentary that shows that the Bible teaches anything other than free market capitalism."

Jim- remember that you said you would not belive it was a hack without a name? Why do you believe Wikileaks without a name?


Are you sure that it was one of my sources that said, "Bible teaches anything other than free market capitalism"? I don't recall that quote.
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Post by Godjira » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:47 pm

I think Assrages leaks may have led to imprisonment or worse for some.
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Re: CIA says Russia tried to help Trump

Post by Lost Soul » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:27 am

I dropped five tons of truth on this thread, and still the leftards insist on lying to themselves.

No wonder the leftist media lies to them. It's what they insist on, because they lie to themselves.
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