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Top ten popular vote winners in US presidential history

Post by VinnyD » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:36 pm

1. 2008- Barack Obama- 69,499
2. 2012- Barack Obama- 65,916
3. 2004- George W. Bush- 62,041
4. 2012- Mitt Romney- 60,934
5. 2016- Hillary Clinton- 60,123
6. 2008- John McCain- 59,948
7. 2016- Donald Trump- 59,705
8. 2004- John Kerry- 59,028
9. 1984- Ronald Reagan- 54,455
10. 2000- Al Gore- 51,000
11. 2000- George W. Bush- 50,456

Source, Clinton's total updated.

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Vinny, let me save you a lot of trouble and additional heartache.

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:42 pm

So, people did used to vote!

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Post by eric84 » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:48 pm

Shouldn't it be ranked as a percentage of eligible voters to really gauge voter popularity?
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eric84 wrote:Shouldn't it be ranked as a percentage of eligible voters to really gauge voter popularity?


No. That wouldn't put Obama at the top.
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Post by sodelicious » Fri Nov 11, 2016 12:34 am

It would probably put Reagan at the top.
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Post by Lost Soul » Fri Nov 11, 2016 12:37 am

sodelicious wrote:It would probably put Reagan at the top.

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Post by muthafunky » Fri Nov 11, 2016 12:43 am

Pretty silly list. Reagan is the only surprise in there.

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Post by Godjira » Fri Nov 11, 2016 12:58 am

The information here is pretty helpful

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U ... ote_margin

If you consider the voter turnout, it's probably Franklin Roosevelt 1936 who did best in the popular vote.

In terms of margin, Harding did the best, and he was probably the worst president!
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Post by VinnyD » Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:34 am

I would not have been able to rank them in that order at all, mutha. I am impressed that you could, with just the one exception.

I thought it would be in more or less descending chronologial order: HC, Trump, Obama, Romney, Obama, McCain, Bush, Kerry, Gore, Bush.

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Post by korgy » Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:58 am

Hillary's number has now risen to 60,274,974 -- (60,275 rounded off)
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korgy wrote:Hillary's number has now risen to 60,274,974 -- (60,275 rounded off)

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Post by VinnyD » Fri Nov 11, 2016 12:13 pm

Trump's total has presumably risen also. He may yet get ahead of McCain. I will try to remember to update when we have fnal numbers.

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Post by VinceFoster » Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:11 pm

the votes for men outnumber the votes for women by a factor of nearly 10:1, that's Patriarchy.
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Post by VinnyD » Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:23 pm

Not this month, though.

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Post by VinnyD » Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:02 pm

Update. I don't know if these are final.

1. 2008- Barack Obama- 69,499
2. 2012- Barack Obama- 65,916
3. 2004- George W. Bush- 62,041
4. 2012- Mitt Romney- 60,934
5. 2016- Hillary Clinton- 60,468
6. 2017- Donald Trump- 60,073
7. 2008- John McCain- 59,948
8. 2004- John Kerry- 59,028
9. 1984- Ronald Reagan- 54,455
10. 2000- Al Gore- 51,000
11. 2000- George W. Bush- 50,456

So Trump edges out McCain, and Clinton's margin over Romney is a little smaller than Gore's over Bush.

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Post by VinnyD » Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:44 pm

Update. Still not final.

1. 2008- Barack Obama- 69,499
2. 2012- Barack Obama- 65,916
3. 2004- George W. Bush- 62,041
4. 2016- Hillary Clinton- 61, 840
5. 2012- Mitt Romney- 60,934
6. 2017- Donald Trump- 60,860
7. 2008- John McCain- 59,948
8. 2004- John Kerry- 59,028
9. 1984- Ronald Reagan- 54,455
10. 2000- Al Gore- 51,000
11. 2000- George W. Bush- 50,456

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Post by Godjira » Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:01 am

Hillary has overtaken Bush 2004

Now at 62,568,373

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... g&sle=true
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Post by VinnyD » Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:05 am

I've been using CNN. Presumably they will catch up with the Cook Political Report at some point.

Trump has overtaken Romney too.

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Post by korgy » Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:31 am

if i understand correctly, she could go up to 2 million out of about 130,000,000 -- which would put her at 1.5% ahead of Trump. this would mean the national poll averages were not really THAT far off -- they put her at 3.3% ahead.

since we have an electoral system, i guess 3 points ahead is not a win prediction by any means.

someone correct me if i am wrong.
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Post by VinnyD » Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:47 am

I wouldn't say "by any means". If a Republican wins the popular vote by 1.5%, s/he will almost certainly win the presidency.

Democrats need more than that for that degree of certainty.

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Post by SuperFelix » Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:05 am

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Post by Godjira » Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:24 am

If CA (for example) goes to a competitive candidate in a landslide, then for sure the lead can be more than 3% and still lose.
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Post by korgy » Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:50 am

VinnyD wrote:I wouldn't say "by any means". If a Republican wins the popular vote by 1.5%, s/he will almost certainly win the presidency.

Democrats need more than that for that degree of certainty.
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Post by VinnyD » Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:44 pm

I believe this is final.

1. 2008- Barack Obama- 69,499
2. 2012- Barack Obama- 65,916
3. 2016- Hillary Clinton- 62,523
4. 20014- George W. Bush- 62,041
5. 2017- Donald Trump- 61,201
6. 2012- Mitt Romney- 60,934
7. 2008- John McCain- 59,948
8. 2004- John Kerry- 59,028
9. 1984- Ronald Reagan- 54,455
10. 2000- Al Gore- 51,000
11. 2000- George W. Bush- 50,456

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Post by shunter » Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:20 pm

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Post by VinnyD » Sat Nov 19, 2016 11:29 pm

I was wrong. There are a million or two votes yet to counted in California. But I don't think the ranking will change. Clinton's lead over Bush (and Trump) will probably grow, because California, but she won't catch Obama and Trump is unlikely to catch Bush.

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Post by Flobster! » Sat Nov 19, 2016 11:57 pm

Um, how are Clinton and Trump both popular vote winners?

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Post by Godjira » Sun Nov 20, 2016 12:13 am

Hillary is now almost 1.5 mil ahead.
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Post by korgy » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:51 am

i can't figure out what's going on in Michigan. the state still has not been "called" yet on almost all the legitimate websites -- but didn't all the votes get counted? Trump barely won there -- (or is barely winning?)

does the fact that they haven't posted the state in either column yet mean the votes in Michigan will be recounted?
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Post by Lost Soul » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:17 am

Godjira wrote:Hillary is now almost 1.5 mil ahead.

Which only makes her 1.5 million behind, after subtracting the fraudulent Dumbocratic votes.
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Post by Godjira » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:14 am

Lost Soul wrote:
Godjira wrote:Hillary is now almost 1.5 mil ahead.

Which only makes her 1.5 million behind, after subtracting the fraudulent Dumbocratic votes.


Except that you are completely full of shit. Some shmuck hole tweets out that he is counting 3 million votes by non-citizens, without describing how the fuck he counted them, and the right wing conspiracy asses fly with it.

Do you think that 9-11 was an inside job, too, Loosey?
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Post by VinnyD » Sun Nov 20, 2016 12:10 pm

Flobster: By virtue of the fact that they won popular votes.

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Post by VinnyD » Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:03 pm

Update. It looks like CNN has stopped updating their page. This is from the Cook Political Report.

1. 2008- Barack Obama- 69,499
2. 2012- Barack Obama- 65,916
3. 2016- Hillary Clinton- 63,621
4. 20014- George W. Bush- 62,041
5. 2017- Donald Trump- 61,901
6. 2012- Mitt Romney- 60,934
7. 2008- John McCain- 59,948
8. 2004- John Kerry- 59,028
9. 1984- Ronald Reagan- 54,455
10. 2000- Al Gore- 51,000
11. 2000- George W. Bush- 50,456

I have no idea why this takes so long, nor how many votes are still uncounted. Trump may yet overtake Bush 2012 in the standings.

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Post by shunter » Mon Nov 21, 2016 1:08 pm

Some odd looking dates there Vinny. Sort it out you old duffer.
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Post by VinnyD » Mon Nov 21, 2016 1:25 pm

How did that happen? Thanks, shunter.

Update. It looks like CNN has stopped updating their page. This is from the Cook Political Report.

1. 2008- Barack Obama- 69,499
2. 2012- Barack Obama- 65,916
3. 2016- Hillary Clinton- 63,621
4. 2004-George W. Bush- 62,041
5. 2016- Donald Trump- 61,901
6. 2012- Mitt Romney- 60,934
7. 2008- John McCain- 59,948
8. 2004- John Kerry- 59,028
9. 1984- Ronald Reagan- 54,455
10. 2000- Al Gore- 51,000
11. 2000- George W. Bush- 50,456

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Post by korgy » Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:27 am

California, according to NPR, still has 2 million uncounted votes. there was a radio piece today explaining the reasons -- one is that many of the mail-in ballots were not readable by the scanners and have to be transferred to readable ballots.

one estimate said Hillary could be *2 1/2 milliion* votes ahead of Trump at the end of the count

http://www.npr.org/2016/11/22/503052632 ... ng-ballots

In fact, Mitchell estimates Clinton could end up winning nationally by 2.5 million votes — the largest margin ever for an Electoral College loser.
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Post by eric84 » Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:30 am

Is there like one guy counting the ballots in CA? Ridiculous it takes this long.

Oh, and some folks think Hillary should contest results in WI because of anomolies in results in rural areas.
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i am glad they are taking this long eric.

apparently, they have to remove coffee and jelly stains from mail-in ballots.
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If you wanted to game the result, and you were smart and/or lucky, what is the least number of ballots you'd have to interfere with?
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Post by VinnyD » Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:00 am

DCC, there is never any way of knowing that beforehand, which is a major reason that it doesn't happen. Suppose you managed to stuff ballot boxes with a million fraudulent ballots, but you lost by one vote? Or you won by a million and one votes?

korgy, she already has a bigger margin than any EC loser. Gore won by slighty less than 550,000.

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Post by korgy » Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:39 am

if she ends up winning the pop vote by 2 1/2 million, then the national polls really will not have been all THAT wrong.
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Post by eric84 » Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:43 am

State polls in IA, WI, MN and PA were utterly wrong though.
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Post by Godjira » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:54 am

In terms of percentage points, she has a long way for the record. Andrew Jackson got more than 10% more votes than John Q. Adams and lost.
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Post by muthafunky » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:15 am

Yeah, total votes is a bit silly.

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Post by Logg » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:29 am

Godjira wrote:In terms of percentage points, she has a long way for the record. Andrew Jackson got more than 10% more votes than John Q. Adams and lost.


The big difference being that there were four candidates who won electoral votes that year. No candidate got a majority of the popular or electoral vote. Jackson got the most popular and electoral college votes, but he did not get the majority of electoral college votes (today it would be 270) needed to win outright, so it went to the House of Representatives.

Jackson got 41% of the popular vote, and about 1/3 of the electoral college votes.

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Post by VinnyD » Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:44 pm

Thank you, Logg.

I was pretty sure I knew all four presidents who had won a majority of the electoral college without winning the popular vote, and Jackson wasn't one of them. You saved me googling.

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Post by DCComic » Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:54 pm

I asked this elsewhere, but maybe Vinny and others likely to be able to answer didn't read that thread, so;

The electoral college is expected to deliver their votes in a certain way. Why have the college at all when it could apparently be replaced by an equation?
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Post by Godjira » Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:40 pm

Tradition.

And, I guess as a very last defense against a terrible candidate, like an alien or demon or something like that.
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Post by VinnyD » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:30 pm

The writers of the constitution did not envision political parties. They were apparently thinking that voters would choose electors on the basis of their respect for the electors.

There is no reason to have human electors today except that the constitution specifies it.

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