Is Trump toast?

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Is Trump toast?

Post by Logg » Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:15 pm

He is, isn't he?

There's nowhere for him to go but down, and then out.

In "polls of likely voters" and whatnot, he does well. But once actual elections start, those pseudo-votes lose significance quick.

Trump's strategy was to use debates as insult comic venues. And in that nebulous pre-election world of cable news cycles, when politics and entertainment mix, Trump's entertainment got results. But, even if the lines get increasingly blurred, there is still a difference between mass entertainment and legitimate political campaigning.

Trump knows how to push audience's buttons, audiences respond to polls, cable news takes it from there. But it's largely a closed loop.

Trump was smart to skip the last debate. He has used debates primarily to ridicule his opponents and secondarily to mouth platitudes. He can't speak to any actual policies, platforms, or political track record because he has none. He knew that Megyn Kelly would have called him out on his recent inconsistencies and made him look bad, so he opted to skip the debate altogether.

When you have to use smoke and mirrors to cover up the fact that you have no platform, you're doomed. With all the media coverage Trump got, his biggest contribution to the campaign was sticking Jeb with the low-energy label and casting the non-natural born citizen label on Ted Cruz. He's good at belittling the other people in the room to make himself look bigger, but beyond that he's got nothing.

I don't follow this stuff on a state by state level, but I don't see how Trump can climb his way back up among the evangelical base by skipping debates and saying controversial things about other Republican figures to keep his name in the news.

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Re: Is Trump toast?

Post by 5waldos » Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:58 pm

Given the original expectations for the Trump I think he actually did awfully well. I had hoped for a serious fail once people actually began voting but, especially with the possibility that Cruz et al played some really dirty tricks I fear the we cannot count out Trump and his true believers yet.

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Post by muthafunky » Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:16 pm

I wouldn't count him out but finishing second after leading in the polls for so long is not doing "awfully well".

If he doesn't win New Hampshire I think you can start talking about counting hm out.

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Post by shunter » Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:20 pm

If he drops out is he net up or down given the expense of all that bullshit versus the benefit (if any) on his brand?

I mean this isn't all for vanity, or is it?
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Post by sodelicious » Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:28 pm

muthafunky wrote:I wouldn't count him out but finishing second after leading in the polls for so long is not doing "awfully well".

If he doesn't win New Hampshire I think you can start talking about counting him out.


That. Especially the bold part.
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Post by Chip_Oatley » Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:39 pm

If he does bow out early, to whom will his supporters turn? Niner, ho's your #2?

Can anyone really see Trump going about the day-to-day business of being the POTUS?

Imagine the first mass shooting or other tragedy and seeing his tomato head pop up on TV screens.

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Post by Lavite » Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:06 pm

Trump won't drop out. He loves the massive public attention far too much, it feeds his super ego. At worst he will simply start saying more outrageous things. He is like the monkeys in The Jungle Book, he wants everyone to notice him and pay attention to his antics.
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Re: Is Trump toast?

Post by Godjira » Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:35 pm

Hi super ego? It makes him more moral?

I knew once the votes started coming in, Trump wouldn't do as well as polling.
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Post by Ignominy » Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:26 pm

Chip_Oatley wrote:Can anyone really see Trump going about the day-to-day business of being the POTUS?



I think it'd be hilarious.
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Post by korgy » Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:27 pm

Lavite wrote:Trump won't drop out. He loves the massive public attention far too much, it feeds his super ego.
hard to say. he also cant stand losing.
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Post by FUUZ » Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:59 pm

Remember all those horror movies in which the evil bad guy-monster is killed, and then you find out he-it is still alive and dangerous? That might be the case with T***p. Don't be sure the monster is dead until you see its head cut off and a stake put thru its heart.
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Re: Is Trump toast?

Post by coffeeguy » Wed Feb 03, 2016 1:18 am

I think if he starts to lose and fall behind he has a meltdown and pulls out of the primary. Perhaps runs as an independent

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Post by Flobster! » Wed Feb 03, 2016 1:57 pm

Trump is tweeting (after a long silence) that he didn't lose, Cruz stole it.

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Post by Jim-2012 » Wed Feb 03, 2016 2:30 pm

Trump may not be toast, but Rand Paul just announced that he is suspending his campaign [getting out].
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Re: Is Trump toast?

Post by Jelly_Belly » Wed Feb 03, 2016 3:32 pm

korgy wrote:
Lavite wrote:Trump won't drop out. He loves the massive public attention far too much, it feeds his super ego.
hard to say. he also cant stand losing.


Really? How do you know this? Has he had a near perfect life of all wins except for one, after which he did what? Please do tell.
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Re: Is Trump toast?

Post by Flobster! » Wed Feb 03, 2016 3:52 pm

Bulshit, Jelly, he has filed bankrupt 4 times.

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Post by strife » Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:29 am

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Re: Is Trump toast?

Post by andybox » Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:14 am

Lavite wrote:
Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:06 pm
Trump won't drop out. He loves the massive public attention far too much, it feeds his super ego. At worst he will simply start saying more outrageous things. He is like the monkeys in The Jungle Book, he wants everyone to notice him and pay attention to his antics.
Well he’s certainly had that affect on you.

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