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Post by Banastre_Tarleton » Mon Jul 14, 2014 12:43 am

So European teams have won 4 out of the last 5 world cups with only Brazil breaking the cycle. Surely high time for a qualification rethink.

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Post by OnTheBall » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:27 am

I agree, some European sides are looking quite strong while others are looking like they are on a permanent decline. For example, England should NOT be seeded on the first tier for any World Cups or European Championships until they prove themselves worthy.

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Post by 2wilzgood » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:14 pm

For 2014:
Asia sent 4 teams (12.5% of all qualifiers), with zero advancing past the group stage (0%)
Africa sent 5 teams (15.6% of all qualifiers), with two advancing past the group stage (40% of their sent teams, 12.5% of all advancing teams)
Europe sent 13 teams (40.65% of qualifiers), with six advancing past the group stage (46.2% of their sent teams, 37.5% of advancing teams)
Concacaf sent 4 teams (12.5% of qualifiers), with three advancing past the group stage (75% of their sent teams, 18.8% of advancing teams)
So Amer sent 6 teams (18.75% of qualifiers), with five advancing past the group stage (83% of their sent teams, 31.2% of advancing teams)

While claiming some sort of superiority for the continent that has the country which wins the tournament is the OP's thought, the WC is more than just one game.

If the purpose of the WC is to entertain spectators for a full month, then it is perhaps best to have the better teams in the world qualify.

Clearly the western hemisphere outperformed other continents in producing exciting, well played matches.

Concacaf should be given four guaranteed places in 2018, with a play-off against New Zealand to secure a fifth spot. (4.5)

OFC, see above. (0.5)

Conmebol should be given six guaranteed places, with a play-off against what ever Asia can offer up. (6.5)

Asia should be reduced to three guaranteed, with the play-off sacrifice mentioned above. (3.5)

If the inter-continental play-offs are good enough for the other four confederations, they're good enough for Europe and Africa.

Africa loses a guaranteed spot, and must win a play-off against a European team. (4.5)

Which leaves UEFA with eleven to qualify outright, one in a play-off versus an African team, and Russia as the host. (11.5 + 1)

This way the confederations that actually show up to play are rewarded.

Europe could still have thirteen teams in the 2018 WC, but their weakest qualifier would have to get past an Algeria or a Ghana beforehand.

That's probably asking too much of an England or a Croatia.
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Post by grecian » Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:06 pm

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Post by 2wilzgood » Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:15 pm

If slots are handed out according to a confederation's performance, World Cup 2018 will have

three teams from Asia, five from Africa, twelve from Europe, five from North America, and seven from South America.

But that isn't how the corrupt FIFA operates.
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Post by grecian » Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:24 pm

Are FIFA that corrupt though as all the Money sloshing around as regards Advertising and shirt sales atc are in Asia and yet you'd deny a place to them?

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Post by invertebrate » Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:02 pm

2wilzgood wrote:For 2014:
Asia sent 4 teams (12.5% of all qualifiers), with zero advancing past the group stage (0%)
Africa sent 5 teams (15.6% of all qualifiers), with two advancing past the group stage (40% of their sent teams, 12.5% of all advancing teams)
Europe sent 13 teams (40.65% of qualifiers), with six advancing past the group stage (46.2% of their sent teams, 37.5% of advancing teams)
Concacaf sent 4 teams (12.5% of qualifiers), with three advancing past the group stage (75% of their sent teams, 18.8% of advancing teams)
So Amer sent 6 teams (18.75% of qualifiers), with five advancing past the group stage (83% of their sent teams, 31.2% of advancing teams)

While claiming some sort of superiority for the continent that has the country which wins the tournament is the OP's thought, the WC is more than just one game.

If the purpose of the WC is to entertain spectators for a full month, then it is perhaps best to have the better teams in the world qualify.

Clearly the western hemisphere outperformed other continents in producing exciting, well played matches.

Concacaf should be given four guaranteed places in 2018, with a play-off against New Zealand to secure a fifth spot. (4.5)

OFC, see above. (0.5)

Conmebol should be given six guaranteed places, with a play-off against what ever Asia can offer up. (6.5)

Asia should be reduced to three guaranteed, with the play-off sacrifice mentioned above. (3.5)

If the inter-continental play-offs are good enough for the other four confederations, they're good enough for Europe and Africa.

Africa loses a guaranteed spot, and must win a play-off against a European team. (4.5)

Which leaves UEFA with eleven to qualify outright, one in a play-off versus an African team, and Russia as the host. (11.5 + 1)

This way the confederations that actually show up to play are rewarded.

Europe could still have thirteen teams in the 2018 WC, but their weakest qualifier would have to get past an Algeria or a Ghana beforehand.

That's probably asking too much of an England or a Croatia.


So in your warped world, there should be 6 places being given to a continent that only has 12 countries competing. And even worse, you want a fourth guranteed slot for that crap group that you guys are in. That is fucking hilarious and can only come from a Seppo.
Why not have CONCRAP (if they are that good ) play south american teams in 3 qualifying groups.... only the two top teams of each group can get a ticket to the WC. That gives them 6 slots and would be more than fair.
By the way, team US of A only won a single game out of four they played. You seem to like stats, so that is 25% of their games. Mediocre at best,the only thing the Yanks are trying to be good at is parking the bus....
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Post by Kilombo » Mon Jul 14, 2014 9:34 pm

invertebrate wrote:
2wilzgood wrote:For 2014:
Asia sent 4 teams (12.5% of all qualifiers), with zero advancing past the group stage (0%)
Africa sent 5 teams (15.6% of all qualifiers), with two advancing past the group stage (40% of their sent teams, 12.5% of all advancing teams)
Europe sent 13 teams (40.65% of qualifiers), with six advancing past the group stage (46.2% of their sent teams, 37.5% of advancing teams)
Concacaf sent 4 teams (12.5% of qualifiers), with three advancing past the group stage (75% of their sent teams, 18.8% of advancing teams)
So Amer sent 6 teams (18.75% of qualifiers), with five advancing past the group stage (83% of their sent teams, 31.2% of advancing teams)

While claiming some sort of superiority for the continent that has the country which wins the tournament is the OP's thought, the WC is more than just one game.

If the purpose of the WC is to entertain spectators for a full month, then it is perhaps best to have the better teams in the world qualify.

Clearly the western hemisphere outperformed other continents in producing exciting, well played matches.

Concacaf should be given four guaranteed places in 2018, with a play-off against New Zealand to secure a fifth spot. (4.5)

OFC, see above. (0.5)

Conmebol should be given six guaranteed places, with a play-off against what ever Asia can offer up. (6.5)

Asia should be reduced to three guaranteed, with the play-off sacrifice mentioned above. (3.5)

If the inter-continental play-offs are good enough for the other four confederations, they're good enough for Europe and Africa.

Africa loses a guaranteed spot, and must win a play-off against a European team. (4.5)

Which leaves UEFA with eleven to qualify outright, one in a play-off versus an African team, and Russia as the host. (11.5 + 1)

This way the confederations that actually show up to play are rewarded.

Europe could still have thirteen teams in the 2018 WC, but their weakest qualifier would have to get past an Algeria or a Ghana beforehand.

That's probably asking too much of an England or a Croatia.


So in your warped world, there should be 6 places being given to a continent that only has 12 countries competing. And even worse, you want a fourth guranteed slot for that crap group that you guys are in. That is fucking hilarious and can only come from a Seppo.
Why not have CONCRAP (if they are that good ) play south american teams in 3 qualifying groups.... only the two top teams of each group can get a ticket to the WC. That gives them 6 slots and would be more than fair.
By the way, team US of A only won a single game out of four they played. You seem to like stats, so that is 25% of their games. Mediocre at best,the only thing the Yanks are trying to be good at is parking the bus....

This was in response to a complete useless OP
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Post by jedgarandclyde » Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:27 pm

So are some people on here saying that we add and delete teams from different parts of the world because of results in the last WC?

Dear oh dear, what a stupid, weird and crazy idea!
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Post by 2wilzgood » Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:49 pm

FIFA has claimed as much, though to believe anything FIFA claims about their operations is indeed stupid, weird, and crazy.
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Post by Kilombo » Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:03 am

the only stupid thing was the OP
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Post by 2wilzgood » Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:22 am

2wilzgood wrote:If slots are handed out according to a confederation's performance, World Cup 2018 will have

three teams from Asia, five from Africa, twelve from Europe, five from North America, and seven from South America.


Three teams from Asia, from which none will advance to the round of sixteen...

Five from Africa, from which two advance to the round of sixteen..., maybe three advance

Twelve from Europe, from which maybe six advance...

Twelve from North and South America, from which eight advance....

Six of twelve for Europe and EIGHT of twelve for the Americas.

Seems the balance of soccer power is shifting under the feet of the corrupt FIFA fucks.

invertebrate wrote:Why not have CONCRAP (if they are that good ) play south american teams in 3 qualifying groups.... only the two top teams of each group can get a ticket to the WC. That gives them 6 slots and would be more than fair.


You would give the Americas six places at a 32 team tournament when they just sent eight through to the round of sixteen?

Seems to me they deserve half the original 32 in the group stage if they're gonna place eight in the first knock-out stage.
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Post by 2wilzgood » Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:29 am

Lemme make this real easy.

Europe, with thirteen teams in the tournament, sent through SIX

while the Americas, with ten teams, sent through EIGHT.

Why does Europe get to send SOOOOOO MANY LOOOOOOOOOSERS to the WC?
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Post by invertebrate » Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:18 pm

2wilzgood wrote:Lemme make this real easy.

Europe, with thirteen teams in the tournament, sent through SIX

while the Americas, with ten teams, sent through EIGHT.

Why does Europe get to send SOOOOOO MANY LOOOOOOOOOSERS to the WC?


You don't seem to get it. UEFA has 54 members and sends only 13 to a WC.... that is less than 25% of it's members.
CONCRAP out of the 35 members has 25 alibi contenders that won't make it to the qualifying stages which leaves 10 teams in the competition. Being a shite Group the given 3 spots are for Mexico, Costa Rica and of course UASS of A which leaves Honduras, El Salvador, Panama, Canada, Jamaica, Trinidad and Guatemala behind ... hardly any of them are serious contenders against a European, South American, African or even Asian team.
If you look at teams from Europe, who didn't qualify for the 2014 WC, Sweden, Turkey, Ukraine, Poland, Romania and even Denmark, Serbia, and Czech are far better teams than the US, Mexico or Costa Rica and would hand them their asses.
The maximum should be 1 spot for CONCRAP and the second placed team has to fight it out with the #5 team from south america

P.S. 4 out of the last 5 WC's were won by one of the many "Losers" from Europe..... that is 80% you genius
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Post by eric84 » Tue Jul 15, 2014 4:57 pm

Boy, the Euros still can't seem to process that CONQUERCAF did pretty well as a group this world cup
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Post by Banastre_Tarleton » Tue Jul 15, 2014 5:55 pm

eric84 wrote:Boy, the Euros still can't seem to process that CONQUERCAF did pretty well as a group this world cup


By their own standards they did very well however not well enough to justify the number of places they get. Similarly Australia qualification is a joke. Australia may have played with some spirit but the performance of all the team from Asian Football Confederation does not justify the number of places they get. African teams probably should have done better however since two African teams gave Germany their toughest games then no complaints here. The South American effort looks extremely lop sided without Brazil. Argentina cannot seem to win anything without cheating and it was a joyous moment to see their supporters in floods of tears after they lost on Sunday.

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Post by Lost Soul » Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:35 am

eric84 wrote:Boy, the Euros still can't seem to process that CONQUERCAF did pretty well as a group this world cup

And CONCACRAP would have had two teams in the quarterfinals if the Klansman had taken Donovan over Wondol00serski.

But no. The Klansman hates Landon, and prefers someone who can miss from five feet. Nice job there, Klansman.

Still, the Klansman got us out of the group of death, so there is that.
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Post by muthafunky » Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:29 am

Where is Harry? It's always funny to see him suck up to the French and Germans when he includes his country in "European" dominance. Almost as sad as Patrik talking about the dominance of "southern hemisphere" rugby so he can suck up to the all blacks.

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Post by Agent009 » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:59 pm

^ haha.....
If anything this world cup showed how far most euro teams have fallen compared to the americas.

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If donovan was on the roster, the usa wouldnt of gottenn past the group stage.
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Post by Kilombo » Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:38 pm

Banastre_Tarleton wrote:
eric84 wrote:Boy, the Euros still can't seem to process that CONQUERCAF did pretty well as a group this world cup


By their own standards they did very well however not well enough to justify the number of places they get. Similarly Australia qualification is a joke. Australia may have played with some spirit but the performance of all the team from Asian Football Confederation does not justify the number of places they get. African teams probably should have done better however since two African teams gave Germany their toughest games then no complaints here. The South American effort looks extremely lop sided without Brazil. Argentina cannot seem to win anything without cheating and it was a joyous moment to see their supporters in floods of tears after they lost on Sunday.

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Post by jedgarandclyde » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:14 pm

It is just plain stupid to finger point at countries because of a result in one WC, the form of teams from different area's must be looked at over far longer period to make any reliable judgement.

A good example would be the teams from Central America, and the smaller nations of South America, and of any close examination of their rather poor form before this WC.

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Post by Banastre_Tarleton » Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:36 pm

muthafunky wrote:Where is Harry? It's always funny to see him suck up to the French and Germans when he includes his country in "European" dominance. Almost as sad as Patrik talking about the dominance of "southern hemisphere" rugby so he can suck up to the all blacks.


Quite a comical response from mutha. He tried to downgrade the importance of the world cup by coming up with this stupid branch description, now he is all upset because the USA is not being taken seriously. Go figure. Brazil have been great hosts to a great global tournament and the Americans have been largely peripheral. Ultimately this is what pisses them off, hence some of derogatory remarks in the US media. They think that they should be at the centre of everything so it must come as quite a shock to know that that the world does not revolve around team USA. The world had a good time and the US establishment were not at the party. Says it all

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Post by muthafunky » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:39 pm

Haha, yeah, I'm upset the US is not being taken seriously. Too funny.

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Post by Moethebartender » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:49 pm

Why is this branch of idiocy still open anyway? Isn't their little cup thing over now?
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Post by Banastre_Tarleton » Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:01 pm

muthafunky wrote:Haha, yeah, I'm upset the US is not being taken seriously. Too funny.



Good news indeed. Lets hope the MLS dies the death. The last thing the US needs is foreign imports (unless its manufactured and from China). All this exposure to non american activities might lead to demands for such un American activities as gun control and decent health care for all. Imagine what a step backwards that would be. Since sport is all about making money at the expense of entertainment then obviously football has no future in North America.

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Post by muthafunky » Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:08 pm

That was a great rant. Are you upset because I said you're sucking up to Europeans? It's beautiful seeing you embrace your continental brothers.

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Post by Banastre_Tarleton » Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:13 pm

I don't recall ever having an issue with continental Euros. Only Islam, queers and Argentina for obvious reasons. On the subject of issues you really need to ditch some of your awful moderators. This forum would benefit from a more international feel.

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