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Australian vs New Zealand lamb

Post by BulletPark » Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:08 am

I've had Australian lamb and it is infinitely superior to US and UK lamb. Given the difference in climate between Australia and NZ, is the lamb noticeably different?

US lamb is horrible.

UK lamb is better flavor-wise, but worse texture-wise.

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Post by ceylon_tea » Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:43 am

I like New Zealand lamb. I don’t see a lot of fresh Australian lamb here. Most of them come frozen.

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Post by cuchulainn » Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:31 am

I buy lamb at the Hollywood Farmers Market and it is good meat.

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Post by Bastet » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:02 am

All lamb is gross. HTH.

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:16 am

...says someone who has probably never sampled the awesomeness that is a lamb chop!

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Post by BulletPark » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:23 am

Perhaps I should amend that to say that it is less that US lamb is horrible as no one seems to know what to do with it outside of a small group of steakhouses. There was evidently a fad for chops in the 1950s, but people seemed to tire of it and it never really has been a popular meat overall.

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Post by temporaryhandle2 » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:36 am

I've never tasted New Zealand lamb. But I had roast lamb for lunch yesterday and it was gooooooood.

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Post by fishface » Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:37 am

Certainly i have preferred New Zealand lamb when I've had it. More tender and soft.

And no this isn't about a yay NZ, bad Australia point of view. I've just found it nicer.

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Post by guruwil » Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:46 am

I don’t think we ever get NZ Lamb here, so wouldn’t really know
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Post by GLimpet » Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:17 pm

ceylon_tea wrote:
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I like New Zealand lamb. I don’t see a lot of fresh Australian lamb here. Most of them come frozen.
Amazing.

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Post by Moethebartender » Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:47 pm

BulletPark wrote:
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Perhaps I should amend that to say that it is less that US lamb is horrible as no one seems to know what to do with it outside of a small group of steakhouses. There was evidently a fad for chops in the 1950s, but people seemed to tire of it and it never really has been a popular meat overall.
The places in Greektown around here generally do a great job with it. Can't recall having a lamb dish I didn't like. Not sure I've ever knowingly had Aussie or NZ lamb; I doubt the restaurants around here would source it from there, so probably not.
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Post by BeatRaven » Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:43 pm

Gotta be in a multi culti big city to find lamb in the states. I see a few lambs in the fields around here, but none of them are ending up at Walmart.

If I'm not in an Indian restaurant, I never encounter lamb on any menu in America.

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:23 pm

Irish lamb stew was a main staple of my house when growing up.

Stew, chops or curry.

I don't really like it as a burger or sausage (should always be beef and pork)

I dialike roast anything. As a child is used to hide Sunday roasts on small plates around the house -to be discovered later.

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Post by VinnyD » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:29 pm

BR's Ameica is very different from mine.

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Post by VinnyD » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:30 pm

I have liked NZ lamb, but never tasted it alongside Australian lamb or even close enough to have a clear enough memory that I could compare.

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Post by BeatRaven » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:33 pm

England was the only place I ever saw mutton. Lovely cooked to death with some barley, carrots, and bay leaf. I predict lamb will be a food channel/foodie thing in the next 2 years.

It intersects nicely with BBQ, of which there are at least a half a dozen dedicated shows about. 'Can't believe some shit shack out in the sticks hasn't already hyped up lamb to get on a show. Lamb chops are on a lot of menus in Vientiane for some reason, $2 or so a chop in a frenchie place.

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Post by Homerj » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:37 pm

We rarely if ever get aussie lamb here, in fact the last time I had it was probably in Taiwan.
NZ lamb is everywhere and is superior to our Ontario lamb.
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Post by VinnyD » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:47 pm

You don't see meat labeled mutton in the US, but you do see meat that would be called mutton elsewhere. Wiki: 'Federal statutes and regulations dealing with food labeling in the United States permit all sheep products to be marketed as "lamb. Sheep products less than 12-14 months old can be labeled "prime lamb" or "choice lamb" and all other sheep meat can be labeled simply as "lamb."'

Having said that, a farmer at my farmers' market sells both lamb and mutton. He raises sheep for wool, and I imagine the mutton is wool sheep that outlived their usefulness. I like a 50-50 mixture for meatballs. The mutton is flavorful but greasy.

And I just learned form wikipedia that in India "mutton" can refer to goat meat as well as sheep meat. That may explain what happened to all the goats I saw on the hoof in Saudi Arabia. There was no goat meat on the market, but Indian restaurants had lots of mutton.

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Post by Stan In Maryland » Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:36 pm

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It intersects nicely with BBQ, of which there are at least a half a dozen dedicated shows about. 'Can't believe some shit shack out in the sticks hasn't already hyped up lamb to get on a show. Lamb chops are on a lot of menus in Vientiane for some reason, $2 or so a chop in a frenchie place.
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Post by fishface » Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:03 pm

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I have liked NZ lamb, but never tasted it alongside Australian lamb or even close enough to have a clear enough memory that I could compare.
I have a few times. My workplace used to often provided lamb & potatoes (done as sandwiches) on a Friday evening in winter. It would be normal practice to cook two legs of lamb, and in order to fit the budget we would often buy one NZ, the other Australian. The Australian one was tougher.

I would like to do the same 'experiment' in Australia. See if the reverse applies (basically, is it the NZ lamb, or is it the fact it's local?).

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Post by VinnyD » Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:18 pm

Potatoes in the sandwiches along with the lamb?

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Post by fishface » Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:29 pm

Yeah I never quite understood the reasoning for bread, but people seemed to love it and, as it didn't surprise people, I assume it was a common or well known combination. I think fewer dishes to load into a dishwasher was possibly also the reason.

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Post by VinnyD » Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:50 pm

It doesn't sound bad, but putting potatoes into sandwiches is something that is pretty much never done here. There is a sandwich shop in Pittsburgh that is famous for putting the fries into the sandwich. Bad idea. The sandwich is hard to handle and the fries get soggy.

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Post by GLimpet » Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:19 pm

Most of what is sold as "lamb" in the UK would have been called "mutton" in Australia when I was on the farm.

Things are more standardised now though - exporters will call it whatever sells.

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Post by fishface » Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:25 pm

VinnyD wrote:
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It doesn't sound bad, but putting potatoes into sandwiches is something that is pretty much never done here. There is a sandwich shop in Pittsburgh that is famous for putting the fries into the sandwich. Bad idea. The sandwich is hard to handle and the fries get soggy.

I had never put potatoes (roasted or fries) into a sandwich either. Still as a meal for a whole lot of people drinking it was quite good. And, as noted, they didn't use cutlery or crockery and, as I help clean up, that's a huge bonus.

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Post by temporaryhandle2 » Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:31 pm

A chip butty is a wonderful thing. As long as you can work off the calorie load afterwards.

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Post by VinnyD » Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:42 pm

We don't put spaghetti on toast either. I think there is kind of a prejudice against combining starches, although I don't imagine that 100g of potatoes and 100 g of bread is any worse for you than 200g of either.

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Post by cuchulainn » Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:31 pm

Carbohydrate sandwiches are disgusting.

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BulletPark wrote:
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I've had Australian lamb and it is infinitely superior to US and UK lamb. Given the difference in climate between Australia and NZ, is the lamb noticeably different?

US lamb is horrible.

UK lamb is better flavor-wise, but worse texture-wise.
Which UK lamb did you have? Ronaldsay lamb is nothing like Romney lamb and there are a stack of breeds, diets and styles in between. Surely the same is true for Aussi, Kiwi and US lamb.
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Post by GLimpet » Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:41 pm

I doubt you'd get Ronaldsay or Welsh Salt Marsh lamb in the USA. It's hard enough to find in the UK.

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Post by VinnyD » Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:42 pm

I am OK with potato pierogi (mashed potatoes in a pasta wrapping, sort of like ravioli) and with potato samosas, similar but fried.

But I like fries to be crispy, not soggy, and I don't see how fries in a sandwich could remain properly crispy. Mashed potatoes in a sandwich, maybe with lots of fried onions or something, that I could imagine being fine.

I haven't seen lamb here labeled with anything beyond country of origin. Even from my farmer.

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Post by GLimpet » Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:47 pm

Surely you've had bocadillo de tortilla?
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Kartoffelknödel?

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Gnocchi?

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I've had Australian lamb and it is infinitely superior to US and UK lamb. Given the difference in climate between Australia and NZ, is the lamb noticeably different?

US lamb is horrible.

UK lamb is better flavor-wise, but worse texture-wise.
Which UK lamb did you have? Ronaldsay lamb is nothing like Romney lamb and there are a stack of breeds, diets and styles in between. Surely the same is true for Aussi, Kiwi and US lamb.
No idea what sort of lamb save that it was a chop. Tasted absolutely delicious with the first bite but after the three-hundredth the novelty had worn off.

Reminds me of the old joke about the spring lamb. "I've been chewing on one of the springs for an hour."

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Post by DCComic » Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:54 pm

Quality Chop House?
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Post by BulletPark » Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:57 pm

That doesn't sound like the name. It had a small dining room that had a very low ceiling and very heavy beams and the fireplace was evidently what they built the house around. Possibly it had survived the Great Fire? It had survived something.

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Post by VinnyD » Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:57 pm

I haven't had gnocchi that involved wrapping a starch in a starch. Nor Kartoffelknödel. I imagine flour is combined with the mashed or riced potato in both, along with eggs, if that's what you mean.

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Post by BulletPark » Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:23 pm

It was Rules. I wanted to say Raffles, because I knew it started with an R.

I guess it isn't quite as old as I thought, but it's still pretty old.

I think I am remembering the interior from somewhere in or near Oxford.

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I doubt you'd get Ronaldsay or Welsh Salt Marsh lamb in the USA. It's hard enough to find in the UK.
Depends where you live. Romney is close enough that any half decent butcher stocks it. I'm pretty sure a foodie place in London could get what they want.
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Post by GLimpet » Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:38 pm

Romney Marsh is a standard breed, raised all over the world. We used to have them on the farm.
It doesn't mean your lamb was raised on Romney Marsh.

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Post by DCComic » Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:39 pm

It does if the marsh is just down the road and the butcher says it is.
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Post by GLimpet » Tue Oct 02, 2018 6:07 pm

Does that mean it doesn't in the majority of the UK where Romney Marsh isn't just down the road?

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Post by jessica_fletcher » Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:49 pm

Lamb neck fillet is my favourite

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Does that mean it doesn't in the majority of the UK where Romney Marsh isn't just down the road?
Depends if you trust your butcher.
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Post by GLimpet » Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:31 pm

My butcher is Mr. C. O'Stco.
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Post by Logg » Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:03 pm

When the sheep take over the world, they're going to ram a hot poker up the OP's ass, stick him on a spit, and frown with disappointment at the girlish screams he emits. That goes for the rest of you, too.

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Post by sieve » Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:09 pm

We have a friend that raises lamb for eating as well as wool for yarn. As soon as we can find a place to put our freezer, we may buy some from her. My ex brother in law used to make these fabulous lamb tacos. It was lamb he marinated and barbecued then cut up in small pieces to put in a soft corn tortilla with a tomatillo salsa.
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