What do you have in your cupboard that people would sneer at?

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Re: What do you have in your cupboard that people would sneer at?

Post by Scrubb » Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:54 pm

This is not in my cupboard but you'll all sneer at it. It's in the deli at a big supermarket in Montana.
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Re: What do you have in your cupboard that people would sneer at?

Post by veronica_inheels » Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:54 pm

leela wrote:
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I also never heard of bean poisoning. If I cook them from soaked I boil till soft. I can’t imagine she didn’t try a bean for softness.
They were soft, Veronica. But from being at a low heat all day. They have to boil rapidly for ten minutes to get rid of the toxin.

I don't know why people are struggling with understanding this.
Because it is rare (even unheard of). Because I suspect there was something else going on.
Because a 10 min boiling doesn’t make sense. Less time in lower temp would kill bacteria. Toxins are chemicals released by bacteria, and temperature doesn’t “kill” chemicals.
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Re: What do you have in your cupboard that people would sneer at?

Post by Scrubb » Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:55 pm

High temperatures most definitely kill some toxins.
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Re: What do you have in your cupboard that people would sneer at?

Post by Scrubb » Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:57 pm

Google "toxins in red beans" and you will find a multitude of sites that explain exactly what leela has already told you.
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Re: What do you have in your cupboard that people would sneer at?

Post by EMG » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:01 pm

Cassava (AKA: yuca) has cyanide in it and can kill you if prepared wrong. Fun fact!

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Re: What do you have in your cupboard that people would sneer at?

Post by leela » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:18 pm

veronica_inheels wrote:
Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:54 pm
leela wrote:
Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:13 pm
veronica_inheels wrote:
Sat Aug 18, 2018 6:01 pm
I also never heard of bean poisoning. If I cook them from soaked I boil till soft. I can’t imagine she didn’t try a bean for softness.
They were soft, Veronica. But from being at a low heat all day. They have to boil rapidly for ten minutes to get rid of the toxin.

I don't know why people are struggling with understanding this.
Because it is rare (even unheard of). Because I suspect there was something else going on.
Because a 10 min boiling doesn’t make sense. Less time in lower temp would kill bacteria. Toxins are chemicals released by bacteria, and temperature doesn’t “kill” chemicals.
Let me help here:

http://www.foodreference.com/html/artre ... oning.html
The syndrome is usually caused by the ingestion of raw, soaked kidney beans, either alone or in salads or casseroles. As few as four or five raw beans can trigger symptoms. Several outbreaks have been associated with "slow cookers" or crock pots, or in casseroles which had not reached a high enough internal temperature to destroy the glycoprotein lectin. It has been shown that heating to 80 degrees C. may potentiate the toxicity five-fold, so that these beans are more toxic than if eaten raw. In studies of casseroles cooked in slow cookers, internal temperatures often did not exceed 75 degrees C.
So heating at lower temperatures makes them even MORE toxic than they are when raw.
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Re: What do you have in your cupboard that people would sneer at?

Post by leela » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:21 pm

or Wiki:
Toxicity
See also: Phaseolus vulgaris § Toxicity
Raw kidney beans contain relatively high amounts of phytohemagglutinin, and thus are more toxic than most other bean varieties if not pre-soaked and subsequently heated to the boiling point for at least 10 minutes. The US Food and Drug Administration recommends boiling for 30 minutes to ensure they reach a sufficient temperature long enough to completely destroy the toxin.[2] Cooking at the lower temperature of 80 °C (176 °F), such as in a slow cooker, can increase this danger and raise the toxin concentration up to fivefold.[3] Canned red kidney beans, though, are safe to use immediately.[4][5][6]
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Re: What do you have in your cupboard that people would sneer at?

Post by lolasf » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:26 pm

Well shit, that's news to me too! I've cooked beans in my crockpot many times, but never kidney beans. I think I'll keep buying canned ones!
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Re: What do you have in your cupboard that people would sneer at?

Post by Higgs Bossom » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:34 pm

Dried chickpeas work better for falafels. That's the only time I use dried.

People might sneer at my boxed dehydrated mash potatoes. Just add milk & butter. I prefer them to real mash potatoes.

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Re: What do you have in your cupboard that people would sneer at?

Post by section8 » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:37 pm

I have instant mashed potatoes. They’re a great food for wilderness float trips.
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Re: What do you have in your cupboard that people would sneer at?

Post by jessica_fletcher » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:43 pm

I sometimes have been known to add some dried mash to sauces to thicken.
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Re: What do you have in your cupboard that people would sneer at?

Post by GLimpet » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:48 pm

A jar of salted caramel?

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Re: What do you have in your cupboard that people would sneer at?

Post by GLimpet » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:49 pm

Oh. Loyd Grossman pasta sauces!

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Re: What do you have in your cupboard that people would sneer at?

Post by jessica_fletcher » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:49 pm

GLimpet wrote:
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A jar of salted caramel?
Uh huh...that’s really your worst?


No tinned haggis?
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Re: What do you have in your cupboard that people would sneer at?

Post by leela » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:51 pm

I once bought those discs of frozen mash. I was going to make a fish pie, and just couldn't be bothered with the extra faff of the potato bit.
They were actually really good. Shove a few in the microwave, break up with a fork (add extra milk or butter if you want) and you have proper, (not dried and reconstituted) mash.
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Re: What do you have in your cupboard that people would sneer at?

Post by GLimpet » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:53 pm

jessica_fletcher wrote:
Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:49 pm
GLimpet wrote:
Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:48 pm
A jar of salted caramel?
Uh huh...that’s really your worst?


No tinned haggis?
We would line up to sneer at that.

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Re: What do you have in your cupboard that people would sneer at?

Post by jessica_fletcher » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:54 pm

leela wrote:
Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:51 pm
I once bought those discs of frozen mash. I was going to make a fish pie, and just couldn't be bothered with the extra faff of the potato bit.
They were actually really good. Shove a few in the microwave, break up with a fork (add extra milk or butter if you want) and you have proper, (not dried and reconstituted) mash.
The sweet potato ones are really really good.
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Re: What do you have in your cupboard that people would sneer at?

Post by GLimpet » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:56 pm

I think I bought tinned haggis once. Worked well as a toast topper.

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Re: What do you have in your cupboard that people would sneer at?

Post by lolasf » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:46 pm

leela wrote:
Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:51 pm
I once bought those discs of frozen mash. I was going to make a fish pie, and just couldn't be bothered with the extra faff of the potato bit.
They were actually really good. Shove a few in the microwave, break up with a fork (add extra milk or butter if you want) and you have proper, (not dried and reconstituted) mash.
I have some of those in the freezer, I always forget they're in there. I think they're pretty good.
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Re: What do you have in your cupboard that people would sneer at?

Post by Iolar » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:53 pm

Lotus Spread.
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Re: What do you have in your cupboard that people would sneer at?

Post by fishface » Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:51 am

I had canned ratatouille at home. I was making a ratatouille parmigiana stew mix thing (ie vegetables and crap) but wanted something to top it up because it turned out I had less than I thought. The canned ratatouille worked a treat.

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Re: What do you have in your cupboard that people would sneer at?

Post by islandboi » Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:11 pm

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Tinned lentils, kidney beans, chickpeas and blackbeans etc. Just about every recipe you come across starts them from scratch with an overnight soaking to be followed by cooking. Really can't be arsed.
Degreed... Tinned legumes are all I have ever used.... I takes days for chickpeas to soak and become mallable. I don't have the time.

Bean soakers tend to be pretentious snoots.
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Re: What do you have in your cupboard that people would sneer at?

Post by VinnyD » Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:16 pm

Chickpea soaking requires about thirty seconds of your time, no more than opening two cans, for even more product in the end. You open the bag, spill them into a bowl, cover with water. Then you do whatever else you were going to be doing for the next eight hours or more, drain and cook.

Cooking takes time, and a little attention, but not soaking.

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Re: What do you have in your cupboard that people would sneer at?

Post by veronica_inheels » Mon Aug 20, 2018 3:57 am

It requires planning a day ahead. And then cooking for two hours.

For most dishes, Non soaking cooking time, without planning is 45 min.
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Re: What do you have in your cupboard that people would sneer at?

Post by korgy » Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:14 pm

islandboi wrote:
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Bean soakers tend to be pretentious snoots.
that's me!
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Re: What do you have in your cupboard that people would sneer at?

Post by snowgirl » Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:02 pm

This bean thing is news to me. How could I not know this? It just makes me grateful I don't have a slow cooker, even though it means I can't do the caramelized onions Vinny always raves about. I dodged a bullet!
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