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Biscuits and Gravy

Post by temporaryhandle2 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:46 am

I get the biscuits. They look like overcooked scones. But what's with the gravy? I just saw a picture and the gravy is white.

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Post by northern_goddess » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:53 am

I tried them (as a side to my breakfast) once when I was in Arizona because they are a bit of an American 'thing' and I wanted to check it out. I believe the gravy is pork gravy but I'm not entirely sure.

They were pretty terrible but we were having breakfast with my dad and his wife at some sort of chain restaurant, not a Denny's but like a Denny's, so I'm guessing maybe they could be good if they were made somewhere that had a great gravy and great biscuits. Unfortunately that wasn't my experience.
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Post by northern_goddess » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:55 am

Actually, I don't think I ordered them as a side for my breakfast, I think my dad did and I just tried his. Not really an important detail but there it is.
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Post by BulletPark » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:15 am

The gravy is a white sauce with finely minced sausage and onions in it.

It is delectable if done well.

There is a diner on the Taconic about an hour north of our upstate place that does it perfectly. We sometimes take a family drive to avail ourselves, stopping on the way back at the famed Book Barn, a fabulous used bookstore housed,perhaps not unexpectedly, in a tiny 18th century barn.

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Post by Scrubb » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:02 am

That makes sense - if it's a white sauce, they can vary from delicious to tasteless stodge. The only time I've tasted it was by accident (I thought it was bircher muesli) at a Holiday Inn in Houston, and it did taste sausage-y. But it was very, very stodgy.
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Post by section8 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:04 am

Yes, the gravy is a bechemel using a roux made from sausage fat and flour.

Biscuits share some similarities with scones but are a different thing.
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Post by cuchulainn » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:07 am

Biscuits and gravy can be excellent. I had biscuits and rabbit sausage red eye gravy at a brunch restaurant downtown. It was a delicious snack.

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Post by Citizen Baba » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:17 am

I love them when done well even if they make my booty big.

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Post by temporaryhandle2 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:52 am

Thank you!

I suspected it was actually white sauce. It seems a strange combination, but very cheap and very filling. Like grits. Definitely labourers' food, eh?

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Post by EMG » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:34 am

Biscuits and gravy transcend class!

But yes, cheap enough to be served to inmates in jail, and filling enough that you don’t mind.

Also one of my favorite breakfasts

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:49 am

Soggy biscuit

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Post by NorthAmerican » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:08 pm

Champaign, Illinois is only about 120 miles south of Chicago, but some of the meals at the men's residence where I lived while at the U. of I. was definitely "Southern" cooking. That white gravy appeared at some of our dinners, and I've avoided it since then. Definitely not to my taste.
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Post by cowtown » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:35 pm

Yep, where my mom’s from sausage gravy is a staple served on everything from fried zucchini blossoms to chicken fried steak.

A good biscuits and gravy is awesome and one of the easiest things to make. I do it traditional using Jiffy Baking mix, spicy pork sausage, black pepper and milk. Pretty much all you need for the entire dish
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Post by dragon » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:48 pm

when they're good, they're delicious. when they're bad, they're like glue. biscuits are fluffier than scones, btw.
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Post by VinnyD » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:00 pm

NoGs, if you were at a Cracker Barrel, be advised that they have the worst biscuits and gravy I have ever had.

It used to be a Southern thing exclusively. The nearest northern equivalent was creamed chipped beef on toast. But now biscuits and gravy is driving SOS, shit on a shingle (creamed chipped beef), off Northern breakfast menus. Part of the Southernization of American culture post Civil Rights Act, along with country music, NASCAR, born-again evangelicalism,gun culture, shrimp and grits, and red velvet cake.

I am not sure that Brits or Australians will have a clear understanding of what we mean by sausage meat. Fatty pork, fairly highly seasoned chiefly with sage and pepper.

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Post by EMG » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:45 pm

The gift of biscuits and gravy more than makes up for the sins of country music and evangelicalism.

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Post by VinnyD » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:48 pm

I think we can safely assume that EMG has never known the delights of creamed chipped beef on toast.

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Post by Citizen Baba » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:49 pm

If you burnt the shit out of the biscuit first, it might appeal more to Brits.

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Post by Citizen Baba » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:49 pm

VinnyD wrote:
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I think we can safely assume that EMG has never known the delights of creamed chipped beef on toast.
My parents used to make that garbage all the time.

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:18 pm

VinnyD wrote:
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I am not sure that Brits or Australians will have a clear understanding of what we mean by sausage meat. Fatty pork, fairly highly seasoned chiefly with sage and pepper.
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Post by VinnyD » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:05 pm

Is it sold in the UK in other than sausage form, Stephen?

If so, have you had US breakfast sausage meat so that you know your is similar?

Same questions with rspect to Australia.

The various sausages I have had in the UK are nothing like US breakfast sausage meat, but it could be that it is one of those things that are only for home consumption and that none of my British hosts happen to have served to the British equivalent to me. (One of the regulars is a vegan, so she wouldn't have. And one other barely cooks.)

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:11 pm

Is your sausagemeat like the sausagemeat we have as part of stuffing?

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Post by VinnyD » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:12 pm

I don't know any more than you do, Stephen. That is why I introduced the post above with "I am not sure that . . . "

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Post by Stan In Maryland » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:14 pm

I enjoy both SOS (although it is also best done on a biscuit) and biscuits and gravy when they are well one. They are a bit of a gut bomb even when they are good. White gravy is the only kind I grew up with. When you made fried chicken you use some of the chicken fat to make the roux. I would like to tell you we had brown gravy when we have roast beef, but other than pot roast I don't think we ever had roast beef.
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Post by jessica_fletcher » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:53 pm

Biscuits are like dumplings and scones.

A scumpling if you will.


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Post by snowgirl » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:55 pm

Are grits the same as polenta? If no, how so?
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Post by EMG » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:58 pm

They're pretty much the same, but made from different kinds of corn.

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Post by section8 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:59 pm

Scones are usually made with eggs and the way the fat is worked into biscuits is a bit different that it is in scones or dumplings, although I've used biscuit batter to make chicken and dumplings.

Grits and polenta both ground corn gruel, but grits are considered primitive and violent.
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Post by cowtown » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:03 pm

snowgirl wrote:
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Are grits the same as polenta? If no, how so?

they are gritter, more like a porridge, I'm not a fan but I like polenta

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Post by section8 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:08 pm

FTW I'm making biscuits, chicken fried steak, and sausage gravy this weekend!
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Post by VinnyD » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:08 pm

cowtown, Stan is a real Southerner.

And the syrup you are thinking of, e.g. King Syrup, has no maple in it.

I once knew a guy who had lunch with Lester Maddox in the Georgia state house cafeteria, if I recall correctly. Maddox poured King Syrup over everything on his plate, including fried chickent (and I forget what else).

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Post by Bill Barilko » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:20 pm

B&G were served aboard a fishing charter I took once naturally I would go near the shit- I'll say this much for the people who ate it they were a fuck of a lot tougher than I am.
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Post by Moethebartender » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:32 pm

They haven't been a thing up here until recently. I've tried it once. It didn't encourage me to repeat the experience. I've never had grits that I liked much either. Waffles and syrup on fried chicken sounds vile. I like a lot of Southern cooking, but I guess Southern breakfasts aren't really my thing.
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Bill Barilko wrote:
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B&G were served aboard a fishing charter I took once naturally I would not go near the shit-
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Post by Stan In Maryland » Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:28 pm

Well, not sure if I am a real southerner or not. Born in MO and lived in LA for many years. Also lived in IA. So take your choice. Of course the area of LA I lived in was more Cajun than Southern. But I don't think you can really track syrup on fried chicken back all that far. I sure as hell am not interested in putting syrup on mashed potatoes which is what the white chicken gravy would have gone on. Why the heck would you want to make good, crisp fried chicken soggy?
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Post by EMG » Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:32 pm

According to Wikipedia, chicken and waffles started in Philly.

We've had this discussion a few times, but it wasn't really a thing in Texas. I was vaguely aware of its existence, but it's not something I'd ever encountered.

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Post by lolasf » Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:49 pm

I love biscuits and gravy, and you see it on breakfast menus here very frequently. I can't eat a full serving, but I love to share a side order with a friend.
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Post by section8 » Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:56 pm

I think chicken and waffles is more of a diaspora thing.
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Stan In Maryland wrote:
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Well, not sure if I am a real southerner or not. Born in MO and lived in LA for many years. Also lived in IA. So take your choice. Of course the area of LA I lived in was more Cajun than Southern. But I don't think you can really track syrup on fried chicken back all that far. I sure as hell am not interested in putting syrup on mashed potatoes which is what the white chicken gravy would have gone on. Why the heck would you want to make good, crisp fried chicken soggy?
The most Southern would probably be Missouri depending on which part but it’s where it came to our family from (Missouri to Georgia to South Carolina to Virginia to North Carolina to Illinois). And you’d still have a gravy for the potatoes.

I like to mix hash brown potatoes in the biscuits and gravy


can't think of the last time I had them though or fried chicken even
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Post by Stan In Maryland » Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:14 pm

I actually think there is a big overlap between what I would call "country" and what is called Southern. Not a complete overlap, but a lot. My mom and dad were both farm kids so so a lot of our background would be more what I would call "country". I am just about the geographical center of MO.
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Post by leela » Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:27 pm

There's absolutely nothing in this thread that would induce me to eat biscuits and gravy. It sounds horribly claggy. And white sauce flavored with sausage meat? Really?

I'm not a fussy eater at all, but it sounds horrible.
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Post by Stan In Maryland » Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:35 pm

It is horrible....in a very good way. But what do the English know they eat canned beans for breakfast. I will tell you, while I rarely eat biscuits and gravy given a choice between that and canned beans in tomato sauce at breakfast I am going with the biscuits every time.
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Post by Moethebartender » Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:36 pm

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Post by VinnyD » Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:36 pm

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Post by VinnyD » Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:59 pm

Leela, do the English do things like creamed chicken or creamed tuna? They were staples in my childhood, and I will still make creamed tuna over rice sometimes when I feel like comfort food and have nothing in the house. Leftover chicken or a can of tuna in a white sauce, over toast or rice.

It's the same idea as that, and no claggier than that.

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Post by leela » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:03 pm

Stan - were biscuits and gravy on the menu at Saints Paradise? I'm sure you'll vouch for me being enthusiastic about my YUGE breakfast there. I'd totally have tried them at that point. But this thread has put me off!
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Post by cowtown » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:17 pm

Think of it as sausage fricassee avec brioche Americain
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Think of it as sausage fricassee avec brioche Americain
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Post by leela » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:26 pm

Vinny, I've had chicken in white sauce. But that's relatively bland compared to sausage flavour, and I wouldn't have it with something as stodgy as a scone/biscuit. I'd have it with salad or something.
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Post by EMG » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:36 pm

Gravy on a salad!?! :shock: :shock: :shock:

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