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Environmentally unfriendly food

Post by leela » Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:36 pm

Prosciutto. I love it. But all those plastic leaves separating the slices. Then all encased in a plastic tray.

What do you feel a pang of guilt about?
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Re: Environmentally unfriendly food

Post by Lincoln » Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:48 pm

The pang of guilt you should be feeling should be for the poor murdered pig that had its throat slit and bled to death so you could eat your poncey ham!

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Post by DCComic » Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:53 pm

I think it's available without the plastic.
But the damage done by eating meat at all probably dwarfs the little bits of plastic on your treat, unless you eat it every day.
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Post by VinnyD » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:22 pm

DCC is right.

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Post by leela » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:00 pm

DCComic wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:53 pm
I think it's available without the plastic.
But the damage done by eating meat at all probably dwarfs the little bits of plastic on your treat, unless you eat it every day.
Yebbut it's meat AND plastic.
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Re: Environmentally unfriendly food

Post by Lincoln » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:05 pm

Double evil...

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Post by leela » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:10 pm

Lincoln wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:05 pm
Double evil...
Exactly.

Mmmm.... pig...
Posh Italian pig.
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Re: Environmentally unfriendly food

Post by GLimpet » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:42 pm

All vegetables in Scotland except pickled kale.

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Post by GLimpet » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:42 pm

And brined neeps.

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Post by veronica_inheels » Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:22 am

Ocean food.
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Post by Iolar » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:16 am

All of that Australian food being passed off as European e.g. Welsh beef and jamón ibérico.
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Re: Environmentally unfriendly food

Post by leela » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:16 am

Years ago I posted about Waitrose selling bottled water imported from Fiji. It was pointed out to me that it was no worse than importing wine from Australia or New Zealand, but there's still something about it that seems wrong, even if it's illogical.
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Post by Iolar » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:20 am

Well, it'd be no worse if you had taps throughout your house that produced wine that had fallen from the sky.
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Post by truenic » Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:00 pm

Really, any produce that travels hundreds or thousands of miles.

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Post by GLimpet » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:20 pm

So in the North we must starve.

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Post by Higgs Bossom » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:39 pm

GLimpet wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:20 pm
So in the North we must starve.
Maybe that is God's way of sending the message that you should consider moving.

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Post by Scrubb » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:59 pm

If / when we move to BC I think I will try to be a locavore, more or less. Not completely possible without devoting a ton of time and effort to it, but I can buy locally grown fruit and veg year round there, I think. And locally raised free range chicken, and local fish and other seafood.

Now, I try to buy produce that has travelled the least distance. Mostly that's still hundreds and hundreds of kms.
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Post by bundes » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:28 pm

Leela, obvious solution is to buy an entire leg!

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Post by VinnyD » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:49 pm

If you smear the cut surface with olive oil, it keeps.

They say.

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Post by Chi_Rup » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:10 am

A French acquaintance is passionate about rabbit. If you’re going to eat meat, she says, particularly environmentally calamitous beef which is ridiculously wasteful, then get used to rabbits.

They breed fast, they don’t need much grazing and you just need to learn to cook them slow and long. She’s a meat is essential for an active life kind of gal. But she has a point, those cows take a lot of resources to get to your table. I don’t think the plastic in ham is too much of a problem compared to that.

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Post by leela » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:13 am

Ha, bundes! Even I can't get through that much. Though I do love to see those whole legs in Spanish and Italian markets.
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Post by Iolar » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:18 am

Dexter cows require far fewer resources than more popular breeds. They produce milk that is almost as rich as dairy and their meat is delicious. It's a cow that thrives on poor land and can essentially look after itself. You could keep one in a standard-sized, suburban back garden. I'd much prefer that to eating rabbits, which provide little nourishment except protein.
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Post by rezuar » Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:22 am

I read somewhere that it takes 15 000 litres of (hidden) water to produce 1 kilogram of beef.
120 litres to have your morning espresso.
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Post by Chi_Rup » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:23 am

rezuar wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:22 am
I read somewhere that it takes 15 000 litres of (hidden) water to produce 1 kilogram of beef.
120 litres to have your morning espresso.
Well, actually, that would no longer be an espresso. Americano at least.

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Post by truenic » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:57 pm

GLimpet wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:20 pm
So in the North we must starve.
Well, it seems my ancestors didn't despite not having access to any of that stuff. Northern Manitoba in winter in 1800's=no access to fresh produce. They obviously lived and survived.

Here I am lucky though. As Scrubb says, B.C. has a lot of local foods, including grains (IE-even the flour I buy is local).

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Post by GLimpet » Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:48 pm

Chi_Rup wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:10 am
A French acquaintance is passionate about rabbit. If you’re going to eat meat, she says, particularly environmentally calamitous beef which is ridiculously wasteful, then get used to rabbits.

They breed fast, they don’t need much grazing and you just need to learn to cook them slow and long. She’s a meat is essential for an active life kind of gal. But she has a point, those cows take a lot of resources to get to your table. I don’t think the plastic in ham is too much of a problem compared to that.
Didn't Canadians starve to death on rabbits because they take more calories to digest than they provide?

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Post by GLimpet » Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:49 pm

truenic wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:57 pm
GLimpet wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:20 pm
So in the North we must starve.
Well, it seems my ancestors didn't despite not having access to any of that stuff. Northern Manitoba in winter in 1800's=no access to fresh produce. They obviously lived and survived.
Sure your ancestors survived.
Something we all have in common.

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Post by VinnyD » Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:58 pm

GLimpet wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:48 pm
Chi_Rup wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:10 am
A French acquaintance is passionate about rabbit. If you’re going to eat meat, she says, particularly environmentally calamitous beef which is ridiculously wasteful, then get used to rabbits.

They breed fast, they don’t need much grazing and you just need to learn to cook them slow and long. She’s a meat is essential for an active life kind of gal. But she has a point, those cows take a lot of resources to get to your table. I don’t think the plastic in ham is too much of a problem compared to that.
Didn't Canadians starve to death on rabbits because they take more calories to digest than they provide?
Not calories exactly. You need a fat source. Man cannot live on rabbit alone.

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Post by Chi_Rup » Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:59 pm

Maybe that’s why the French stew them up with lots of oil and wine and butter?

Sorry to hear about all the Canadians though.

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Post by erkat » Sat Aug 17, 2019 2:22 am

I always hate buying fresh herbs in the tiny plastic containers. It seems such a waste of plastic, and the airmiles added in annoy me.
Have tried growing a few at home but didn't have the right position for all of them (the rosemary and basil have been fine, the thyme just dies)

But now we are getting our communal garden bed at the apartment block I am looking forward to less useless plastic surrounding herbs.

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Post by Scrubb » Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:24 am

Agreed, erkat. Luckily, most of the herbs I buy are sold in bunches, no packaging - but not all. I love growing some at home, although while we were on holidays my rosemary died and my basil and parsley are not in great shape either. Sigh.
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Post by Chi_Rup » Sat Aug 17, 2019 6:07 am

Growing herbs requires careful use of water - my windowsill basil plants last year needed flooding every day (which suggests they would prefer less direct sunlight). A wilted basil plant comes back to life in 15 minutes if you drench it, it’s astonishing.

Rosemary and thyme on the other hand should only get water when they’re almost completely dried out, it’s how they like it.

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Post by desertstorm » Sat Aug 17, 2019 12:39 pm

leela wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:36 pm
What do you feel a pang of guilt about?
Foie gras.

I am soooo sorry, ducks and geese.

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Post by Scrubb » Sat Aug 17, 2019 1:31 pm

Chi_Rup wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2019 6:07 am
Growing herbs requires careful use of water - my windowsill basil plants last year needed flooding every day (which suggests they would prefer less direct sunlight). A wilted basil plant comes back to life in 15 minutes if you drench it, it’s astonishing.

Rosemary and thyme on the other hand should only get water when they’re almost completely dried out, it’s how they like it.
Yeah I've grown basil, parsley, and rosemary successfully for years, but couldn't find a reliable plant person to look after them for me this last holiday. I have hope the basil will rebound, but the rosemary is done for.
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Post by Homerj » Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:42 pm

We grow almost all our herbs in the backyard, but they only last so long.
Our Prosciutto is separated by wax paper and if you don't do it it all sticks together.
Shipping water from Fiji is not as bad on the environment as shipping bottles of wine from OZ in that the glass bottles weigh a lot more than the plastic ones thus take more energy to ship.
So no Leela I don't worry about my prosciutto and neither should u
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Post by rezuar » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:05 pm

Homer, from what I hear they ship the wine in containers and bottle it at the destination.
Don’t know about water from Fiji.
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Post by Homerj » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:25 pm

rezuar wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:05 pm
Homer, from what I hear they ship the wine in containers and bottle it at the destination.
Don’t know about water from Fiji.
That sounds more logical for both products , but upon reflection I'm sure you are right.
Soda (pop) is the same.
Like I said I'm brain dead been in a 2 week alcoholic haze from the cottage, I think I might need a few days to re-grow some brain cells I may have murdered
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Post by trixie » Tue Aug 20, 2019 2:10 am

rezuar wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:05 pm
Homer, from what I hear they ship the wine in containers and bottle it at the destination.
Don’t know about water from Fiji.
Only bulk wine.

I have very little food guilt. Maybe none.
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Post by Homerj » Tue Aug 20, 2019 6:23 pm

trixie wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 2:10 am
rezuar wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:05 pm
Homer, from what I hear they ship the wine in containers and bottle it at the destination.
Don’t know about water from Fiji.
Only bulk wine.

I have very little food guilt. Maybe none.
Life is too short.
Thanks Trix, I don't feel as brain addled as I did yesterday.
I'm going to the back seat of my car, with the woman I love, and I won't be back for ten minutes!

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