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Post by section8 » Tue May 15, 2018 5:17 pm

How often do you drink “natural” water? By that I mean water that comes directly from a spring, river, or lake and that has not been treated prior to consumption?
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Post by EMG » Tue May 15, 2018 5:30 pm

Rarely. It would be insane to do it anywhere near Manila.

Occasionally when deep in the provinces there is no alternative. But I don't go that far off grid more than once every few years.

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Post by mad hatter » Tue May 15, 2018 5:41 pm

everyday if rainwater tank supply counts
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Post by lolasf » Tue May 15, 2018 5:59 pm

Very rare, in fact I can't remember the last time I did it.

I probably ingest a tiny amount of lake/river water every year when camping and swimming and stuff, but that's an accidental thing.
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Post by VinnyD » Tue May 15, 2018 6:23 pm

Pretty much never. Accidental natural water swallowed will be ocean water in my case.

They are calling it raw water now and promoting it for supposed health benefits.

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Post by northern_goddess » Tue May 15, 2018 7:07 pm

It's been a long time. When I was a kid we spent a lot of time in the bush but I was always told to only every drink fast running water. The dreaded 'beaver fever" was always lurking...
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Post by section8 » Tue May 15, 2018 7:46 pm

I’ve been drinking straight out of a big ass lake. It’s fed by mountain springs and glaciers. It’s raw water spiked with bear shit and salmon.
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Post by 5waldos » Tue May 15, 2018 7:51 pm

Here in Denver? Never unless eating some fresh snow on occassion counts. When in the islands- regularly " if rainwater tank supply counts".


Raw water. Seriously? And I suppose you can buy it in 8 ounce bottles for several dollars a bottle.

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Post by EMG » Tue May 15, 2018 7:59 pm

I think I saw somewhere they were selling 'raw water' for like $20 a liter. And people were buying it. At a music festival or some shit like that.

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Post by section8 » Tue May 15, 2018 8:14 pm

I need to bring some of this shit back. I can get water from the purest of sources in the most remote parts of Alaska. That’s gotta be worth something.
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Post by muthafunky » Tue May 15, 2018 8:15 pm

Never, even camping in the mountains.

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Post by Higgs Bossom » Tue May 15, 2018 8:18 pm

Couple years ago from a spring. The water is tested and drinkable without boiling or treatment.

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Post by lolasf » Tue May 15, 2018 8:43 pm

I remember drinking from the stream in Panther Meadows near Mt. Shasta when I was about 13. It was the best tasting water I've ever had.
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Post by guruwil » Tue May 15, 2018 10:32 pm

Out holiday house only has rainwater tanks so always when we are there. Ocassionally camping in very wild places where I know where the source is and I know there is no agricultural or industrial areas upstream. But unless it’s actually from a spring there is always some risk. Even a dead animal in the water somewhere upstream can give you the gift of a range of bacterial and parasitic gastro, including cryptosporidium. Always safer to boil if possible.
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Post by Nines » Tue May 15, 2018 11:18 pm

I drink out of springs all the time.
There is a year-round spring coming out of an 1850's era hard rock mine on some family owned property. An adit several hundred feet deep into solid rock chasing gold bearing quartz. It has a partial cave-in about a hundred feet in that entrapped an old gold cart still sitting on the rails trying to get out. Another 80 feet, past the initial blockage and deeper into the mine there is a catastrophic cave-in that covers up everything but the gold cart rails are still there with spring water filtering through. I suspect that the spring water that emanates from behind that huge cave-in marinates in the bones of trapped Chinese Miners.

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Post by Moethebartender » Tue May 15, 2018 11:21 pm

In Michigan, even drinking the allegedly treated water isn't necessarily a good idea. I'm going to take a pass on "raw water" here.
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Post by Bill Barilko » Tue May 15, 2018 11:25 pm

Not for about 20 years maybe a bit more-caught Giardiasis from the creek water a fishing lodge up north was using for everything.

The final joke was on them as almost everyone in the place caught it and they all suffered badly next time I fished there it was all bottled water.
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Post by flatfoot » Wed May 16, 2018 1:29 am

How often? More like when was the last time, and my answer is I don’t know for sure. I know I drank some in the Ruwenzori in Uganda, about 14 years ago, because I have a picture of my guides by the spring. But I also have this memory of filling a water bottle from a faucet fed by a nearby natural source. My best bet is Iceland or the Arctic Circle in Sweden, so this would be about four years ago. Or it could have been in Georgia, about two years ago. I don’t know. I’m locking Iceland in.

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Post by nycfellow » Wed May 16, 2018 2:51 am

I try not to consume water that does not contain naturally decontaminating alcohol.

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Post by cuchulainn » Wed May 16, 2018 4:02 am

I accidentally drank river water in Nepal when the elephant I was riding squirted me.

I escaped unscathed.

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Post by guruwil » Wed May 16, 2018 4:07 am

I often drink a bunch of brackish Lake water when I’m sailing, but not on purpose.
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Post by Stan In Maryland » Wed May 16, 2018 1:13 pm

Does well water count? If so, I don't for sure but probably fairly recently, quite a few places around this area still have folks on wells. If it doesn't count, why not? It isn't treated. If we are talking untreated surface water, it has been quite a long time. That bear shit in that water can be a problem.
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Post by EMG » Wed May 16, 2018 1:20 pm

This is the last place I drank 'raw water'. It's piped into the mountain villages from nearby streams and they just let it flow freely into drainage ditches. When you want water you just stick your bottle under one the pipes.

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Post by Stan In Maryland » Wed May 16, 2018 1:21 pm

What do they fertilize those terraces with?
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Post by EMG » Wed May 16, 2018 1:28 pm

Nothing that I know of. It's pretty remote. One road in, one road out. Then the road ends and you have to hike 2 hours or so to reach the villages.

On the other side of the mountain I'm standing on is a massive field of marijuana plants. The whole area is ruled by tribal law. No police come in.

I know a guy who married a local out there and built a house. He paid for it with pigs.

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Post by VinnyD » Wed May 16, 2018 1:34 pm

I thought of something. When I took the boat from Mandalay up the river to Mingun I was sitting with some student types on the outdoor deck, having been the last one on (jumping on as it pulled away).

On of the kids offered me some orange squash, so I politely accepted. He then dipped a glass into the Irrawaddy and mixed in some syrup. I was reminded of this scene from Three Men in a Boat:
We tried river water once, later on in the season, but it was not a success. We were coming down stream, and had pulled up to have tea in a backwater near Windsor. Our jar was empty, and it was a case of going without our tea or taking water from the river. Harris was for chancing it. He said it must be all right if we boiled the water. He said that the various germs of poison present in the water would be killed by the boiling. So we filled our kettle with Thames backwater, and boiled it; and very careful we were to see that it did boil.

We had made the tea, and were just settling down comfortably to drink it, when George, with his cup half-way to his lips, paused and exclaimed:

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“What’s what?” asked Harris and I.

“Why that!” said George, looking westward.

Harris and I followed his gaze, and saw, coming down towards us on the sluggish current, a dog. It was one of the quietest and peacefullest dogs I have ever seen. I never met a dog who seemed more contented – more easy in its mind. It was floating dreamily on its back, with its four legs stuck up straight into the air. It was what I should call a full-bodied dog, with a well-developed chest. On he came, serene, dignified, and calm, until he was abreast of our boat, and there, among the rushes, he eased up, and settled down cosily for the evening.

George said he didn’t want any tea, and emptied his cup into the water. Harris did not feel thirsty, either, and followed suit. I had drunk half mine, but I wished I had not.

I asked George if he thought I was likely to have typhoid.

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Post by VinnyD » Wed May 16, 2018 1:38 pm

Stan reminds me that I used to drink untreated well water all the time, in the summer.

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Post by Steve_in_Exile » Wed May 16, 2018 2:48 pm

My son and I drink water from small running creeks while hiking fairly often. My wife refuses to drink from a creek, so my son and I always make a big deal about it. "Man that water tastes good", etc.

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Post by Lost Soul » Thu May 17, 2018 5:20 am

All the time. My well is untreated water.
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Post by Steve_in_Exile » Thu May 17, 2018 5:36 am

I have a well too, but don't normally drink the well water. The water is only about 10 feet down and in the middle of a city, so I worry about contamination.

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Post by rezuar » Thu May 17, 2018 7:00 am

Every now and then when hiking.
Also, I have a well on my property and the water’s been certified as potable.
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Post by strife » Thu May 17, 2018 8:52 am

In northern Minnesota, sure.
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Post by Stan In Maryland » Thu May 17, 2018 12:21 pm

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Nothing that I know of. It's pretty remote. One road in, one road out. Then the road ends and you have to hike 2 hours or so to reach the villages.

On the other side of the mountain I'm standing on is a massive field of marijuana plants. The whole area is ruled by tribal law. No police come in.

I know a guy who married a local out there and built a house. He paid for it with pigs.
Could be nothing, or it could be they are using a locally produced resource for fertilizer, in which case if those streams they are pulling water from are downhill from the terraces I would worry.
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Post by EMG » Thu May 17, 2018 12:42 pm

Ah, I see where you were going with it, Stan.

I never saw the source of the water, just pipes that seemed to go forever further up into the mountains.

I would hope the locals are smart enough not to be drinking stagnant (possibly fertilized) rice terrace water. I imagine they are.

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Post by jessica_fletcher » Thu May 17, 2018 1:57 pm

There used to be a communal font near my dad's house in Spain. After dinner my brother and I had to go full up empty 2l bottles with the font water and put them in the fridge.
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Post by Stan In Maryland » Thu May 17, 2018 3:54 pm

As long as the pipes are going up and the agriculture is down, you are good. The pipes might have even gone to springs instead of streams. The water wouldn't have to be stagnant if the run off was up stream. You didn't get sick so it was probably fine. As to the locals, a lot of tolerance can be built up to things over time.
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Post by section8 » Thu May 17, 2018 5:00 pm

I do not count catchment tanks, wells, or springs that have pipes.
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Post by muthafunky » Thu May 17, 2018 5:15 pm

Do you consider boiling or physically filtering water treating it? I always use a filter or boil mountain water when hiking or camping.

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Post by section8 » Thu May 17, 2018 5:20 pm

No boiling or filters. Raw.
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Post by muthafunky » Thu May 17, 2018 5:28 pm

Never. Even in the mountains it's too easy to filter or boil, not sure I see any reason not to.

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Post by EMG » Thu May 17, 2018 5:36 pm

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I do not count catchment tanks, wells, or springs that have pipes.
The pipes I'm talking about probably aren't what you're thinking.

It's like someone took hundreds of meters of a PVC type pipe and just stuck one end into a flowing water source to divert the water. It just runs freely into villages and roadsides. There's no on/off valve or anything.

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