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Obama wins Florida

Post by korgy » Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:07 pm

Electoral count...Obama 332, Romney 206

Not even close
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Re: Obama wins Florida

Post by foolsprogress » Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:39 pm

74,000 votes. Wow.
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Post by polardude1 » Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:53 pm

A win is a won and what's more, he did not even need Florida and Ohio town the electoral vote.
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Re: Obama wins Florida

Post by tph24601 » Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:00 pm

foolsprogress wrote:74,000 votes. Wow.

Imagine the margin if Florida GOP didn't try to discourage voting....

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Post by i_have_shiny_shoes » Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:07 pm

So the Republicans, with all that money and so much in their favour, still only managed to flip two states. Obama wins a majority of the popular vote, a majority of the states, and wins massively in the electoral college. A disaster for the GOP.
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Post by tph24601 » Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:09 pm

i_have_shiny_shoes wrote:So the GOP managed to flip two states. Obama wins a majority of the popular vote, a majority of the states, and wins massively in the electoral college. A disaster for the GOP.

Indiana was a fluke. North Carolina, however, is now a permanent battleground state.....

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Post by judik » Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:55 am

Pretty amazing that a man the right denigrated as a community organizer basically community organized their ass
And the CEO who with his vast "business" experience couldn't even effectively manage his own campaign
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Post by crzypt » Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:36 am

Between the open contempt for minorities and being on record as wanting to "borrow" grandma's Social Security check so he could play craps at the Wall Street Casino, I'm surprised that Bishop Romney got as many votes as he did

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Post by judik » Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:50 am

Don't Fuck with Grandma - she votes

Grandma is a little demented but she votes for Rmoney
But grandma's grand kids voted
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Re: Obama wins Florida

Post by brettyb » Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:43 am

Economic ignorance, demagoguery, and the politics of character assassination and jealousy win.

The takers win, the makers lose. Another unaffordable entitlement sticks. And our fiscal solvency is in serious doubt.
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Obama wins Florida

Post by cuchulainn » Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:13 am

Because trickle down economics has worked out so well for the middle class.

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Post by tph24601 » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:55 pm

judik wrote:Pretty amazing that a man the right denigrated as a community organizer basically community organized their ass
And the CEO who with his vast "business" experience couldn't even effectively manage his own campaign

Yeap, remember when Rudy Giuliani was sneering at Obama for being a community organizer in the 08 convention?
Guess who is laughing now....

I guess the buy out corporate raider who was good at finding tax loopholes, firing people and outsourcing job couldn't quite transfer that kind of expertise into winning elections....

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Re: Obama wins Florida

Post by korgy » Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:00 pm

judik wrote: the CEO who with his vast "business" experience couldn't even effectively manage his own campaign

Well-said
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Post by tph24601 » Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:00 pm

brettyb wrote:Economic ignorance, demagoguery, and the politics of character assassination and jealousy win.

Not always, that's why socialist Obama who pal around terrorists and "gave stuff" to voters and "You didn't build that", yet still manage to beat McCain/Palin and Romney/Ryan......

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Post by Godjira » Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:56 pm

Aren't the rich the takers? Taking your labor and giving you only a percentage back and pocketing the rest?
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Post by brettyb » Mon Nov 12, 2012 1:08 pm

cuchulainn wrote:Because trickle down economics has worked out so well for the middle class.


This is not meant to patronize...but I suspect you are barely out of your teens and have little or no perspective on this matter. (I was in the same shoes once.) I challenge you to look around at your family members and age group peers and cite real examples of how their standard of living has stagnated or retreated during the past 20+ years. Look at the amenities in and sizes of their domiciles, the quality of the vehicles they drive, and the types of trips they are able to afford.
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Re: Obama wins Florida

Post by birdlite » Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:35 pm

brettyb:

Here's some light reading for you: Taxes and the Economy: An Economic Analysis of the Top Tax Rates Since 1945
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/news/busin ... conomy.pdf

Here's the short stuff:
One major finding is contained in a plot of the top personal income tax rate and real economic growth rates for every year from 1945 to 2010. Contrary to conservative arguments, when the top tax rate was from 70-90+ percent, the country had growth rates averaging 4.2% in the 1950s, but only 1.7% in the 2000s, when the top rate was 35%. Overall, according to Figure 5 of the report, there appears to be no relationship at all between the top tax rate and growth.

It's important to remember, though, that a simple comparison of two variables tells us nothing by itself. It's only when we control for other potential causal factors that we can say whether a relationship does or does not exist between two variables like tax rates and growth. In the report's appendix, the author carries out such a regression analysis, as it's called, and still finds that there is no relationship between the top tax rate and real GDP growth rates.

Moreover, the study takes a look at the ways that lower tax rates are supposed to improve the economy, i.e., by increasing private savings, private investment, and labor productivity growth. In no case does the bivariate analysis (some of which shows higher taxes increasing private savings) or the regression analysis show either the top personal tax rate or the capital gains tax rate having an effect on these intervening drivers of economic growth. This completely undermines the economic arguments for tax cuts as the recipe for a better economy.

http://www.businessinsider.com/whats-se ... ut-2012-11

What's fun is that the report freaked out Republicans when it was released (see the same article) and they had the report withdrawn. maybe it's time it's circulated more

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Post by pezworld » Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:56 pm

brettyb wrote:I challenge you to look around at your family members and age group peers and cite real examples of how their standard of living has stagnated or retreated during the past 20+ years. Look at the amenities in and sizes of their domiciles, the quality of the vehicles they drive, and the types of trips they are able to afford.

Well, my house is much smaller than my parents' (purchased around the same age) - granted I bought it on one income, but wait... so did my parents. And they had four children to support - I had none. And yes, my income was about the same as theirs (inflation adjusted).

Ah but if you're talking about mini mansions and SUVs that seem to prevail these days, yes, a lot of those were highly leveraged by people of my generation who ATMd their houses way beyond their means to repay, during the loose lending years that have now caused massive foreclosures that have fucked up our economy something good. So yeah, there are a lot of big, new houses - with weeds growing around them and owned by banks.
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Post by Electrolyte » Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:28 pm

brettyb wrote:Economic ignorance, demagoguery, and the politics of character assassination and jealousy lose.

Fixed that for you.

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Post by joeyramone » Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:53 pm

actually, it showed that old folks weren't particularly scared off by Ryan.

I could tell pretty early that obama wont he state by clicking the county maps; Duvall (Jacksonville) was a few points leaning to romney, Hillsborough for obama, plus st lucice, orange, etc. and the big three down south were slow tio report their returns, which carried massive margins.

Florida's cuban community was split about 50-50; they used to vote 70-80% republican. They keep their republican congresswoman Ilena Rios lehtinen in power in a distirct that includes mimai beach because she might be the most gay-friendly republican in the congress.
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Post by birdlite » Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:10 pm

joeyramone wrote:actually, it showed that old folks weren't particularly scared off by Ryan.

I could tell pretty early that obama wont he state by clicking the county maps; Duvall (Jacksonville) was a few points leaning to romney, Hillsborough for obama, plus st lucice, orange, etc. and the big three down south were slow tio report their returns, which carried massive margins.

Florida's cuban community was split about 50-50; they used to vote 70-80% republican. They keep their republican congresswoman Ilena Rios lehtinen in power in a distirct that includes mimai beach because she might be the most gay-friendly republican in the congress.


The Cuban split was that close? That's surprising considering Cuban exile voting history and the Rubio effect.

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Post by joeyramone » Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:28 pm

birdlite wrote:
joeyramone wrote:actually, it showed that old folks weren't particularly scared off by Ryan.

I could tell pretty early that obama wont he state by clicking the county maps; Duvall (Jacksonville) was a few points leaning to romney, Hillsborough for obama, plus st lucice, orange, etc. and the big three down south were slow tio report their returns, which carried massive margins.

Florida's cuban community was split about 50-50; they used to vote 70-80% republican. They keep their republican congresswoman Ilena Rios lehtinen in power in a distirct that includes mimai beach because she might be the most gay-friendly republican in the congress.


The Cuban split was that close? That's surprising considering Cuban exile voting history and the Rubio effect.



that's the thing - that generation of cuban exiles is dying out, that's 50 years ago. The Rubio effect isn't much- the Cubans down there are products of liberal south florida.
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