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Post by kirrabi » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:06 am

1. Over half the people who answered exit polls blame Bush. So that means that anything forward can be linked to a lingering Bush apparition. The Democrats will forever have a pass to blame their parents, I mean to blame Bush for their failures. This is going to be a problem because stupid people, who Democrats appeal to, have long memories when it comes to pain and blaming someone for that pain. Blame Bush is concise and easy to remember. Excuse Obama is almost as good. We have to control the culture on this. Blame versus Excuse. It will be difficult because adolescents are more likely to blame others and are less likely to see blaming others as an excuse for their failure to take responsibility. Adult behavior versus adolescent behavior is the struggle for control of the culture - victimhood versus the individual responsibility and the freedom that accompanies it.

2. The Democrats executed a great ground game. Union vote was up 5pts in Ohio. Overall the student vote was equivalent to 2008. Republicans need to have a greater presence on college campuses. We need more Republican litigators eating up university budgets so that chancellors will knuckle under to Republican advances on campuses. Overall Republicans need to instigate more litigation to tax the Democrat coffers. The Republican ground game must be buttressed.

3. As a Republican don’t ever submit an editorial to the New York Times. Having something published in the NYT does not validate your intellect. It shows your stupidity. They will take your opinion of how to save the auto industry and they will give it the headline of “Let Detroit go Bankrupt”, thus instigating prejudice against you and animosity towards you. (Notice that not only can people infer you mean to destroy the auto industry but you mean to kill the city too.)

The NYT doesn’t like you. They never will. You will never be one of them. As a Republican you must get this embedded in your own large inclusive heart. Anytime you think the NYT might possibly be inclusive, remember this quote, “What do you mean we, Kimosabe?” It’s a neat and compact quote and it’s easy to recall. Note: As a Republican the NYT does not determine your worth. When it comes to periodicals, The Wall Street Journal must define the culture. Culture will defeat organization every time.

4. Things began to teeter when Akin spoke his mind. Akin caused people to have doubts about Republicans and the apparition gained solid form when Murdock echoed Akin. It’s like having two reliable sources to a rumor. So the period of enthusiastic naivete is over for the Tea Party. Tea parties must vet their candidates to insure they are suited for the national arena if that is where they choose to compete in the primaries.

Also, the loose-knit tea parties must run Democrat candidates in the Democrat primaries. The struggle must be taken to both parties. Then elected tea party members in both parties (Democrat and Republican) can form a coalition to influence legislation. Make inroads into each party. Show the voters elected official who work together from both sides of the aisles to achieve common goals (and it just so happens that many of those goals will be Tea Party goals).

5. Republicans missed a tremendous opportunity to be in power during the recovery. The recovery will come about on its own (despite Obama). Businessmen will begin to expand even if it means only to take someone else's market share in a slow economy. A recovery could have come quicker and at less expense had Obama gotten out of the way. The adults will have to solve the nation’s problems and Obama will tag along.

Think of the story Bob Woodward recounted in his book. The newly elected Obama was speaking to Pelosi and Reid on speaker phone. He went on and on with one of his inspiring monologues and eventually Pelosi took the president off speaker so he was then talking for his own sake while Pelosi and Reid got about getting their work done. That's our president!

(Just imagine if Cap-n-Trade had passed the senate and been signed by President Obama. Think of the job loses then.)
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Post by Godjira » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:09 am

What happened? More people voted for Obama, that's what happened.
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Post by kirrabi » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:15 am

That's good, GJ. Keep it simple. Conclude it's settled. Anticipate nothing.
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Post by section8 » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:22 am

The republican party has devolved to the point that it more closely resembles an internet message board troll than a functioning political body. Your tribe didn't lose because of demographics, you lost because your ideas are shit. Climb into the 21st century, cast off your extremists, and pull together some policy ideas that aren't complete bullshit and/or cynical nihilism and you'll do a little bit better from now on.
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Post by salmonid » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:26 am

section8 wrote:The republican party has devolved to the point that it more closely resembles an internet message board troll than a functioning political body. Your tribe didn't lose because of demographics, you lost because your ideas are shit. Climb into the 21st century, cast off your extremists, and pull together some policy ideas that aren't complete bullshit and/or cynical nihilism and you'll do a little bit better from now on.


That's pretty awesome. Particularly the bold part.

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Post by i_have_shiny_shoes » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:27 am

section8 wrote:The republican party has devolved to the point that it more closely resembles an internet message board troll than a functioning political body. Your tribe didn't lose because of demographics, you lost because your ideas are shit. Climb into the 21st century, cast off your extremists, and pull together some policy ideas that aren't complete bullshit and/or cynical nihilism and you'll do a little bit better from now on.


On that note, Sean Hannity, of all people, has voiced today that he supports comprehensive immigration reform including a pathway to citizenship for all except convicted criminals.

Hilarious and brilliantly put, btw.
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Post by Citizen Baba » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:30 am

5. Republicans missed a tremendous opportunity to be in power during the recovery. The recovery will come about on its own (despite Obama).


I completely agree. That is, except for the last part. Whoever won would be president during the recovery and take credit for it, even though they had little to nothing to do with it.

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Post by Godjira » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:31 am

kirrabi wrote:That's good, GJ. Keep it simple. Conclude it's settled. Anticipate nothing.


There's as many reasons as there are people who voted. You're just rationalizing the loss in the OP.

My opinion? It's the same reason why Bush won the second time.

Bush won because America was conducting two very active wars, and in those circumstances, people trust the person who is experienced, and people are afraid of change. Likewise America is again at war, not so much in Iraq or Afghanistan- but an economic war. People are again trusting the more experienced person and are still afraid of change.

There are ups and downs over the decades, and sometimes they can get a president kicked out, but with such major problems as Iraq was and the economy is, change is scary for people.
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You guys rushed in in front of me. The subtlety will be lost.

3. As a Republican don’t ever submit an editorial to the New York Times. Having something published in the NYT does not validate your intellect. It shows your stupidity. They will take your opinion of how to save the auto industry and they will give it the headline of “Let Detroit go Bankrupt”, thus instigating prejudice against you and animosity towards you. (Notice that not only can people infer you mean to destroy the auto industry but you mean to kill the city too.)

The NYT doesn’t like you. They never will. You will never be one of them. As a Republican you must get this embedded in your own large inclusive heart. Anytime you think the NYT might possibly be inclusive, remember this quote, “What do you mean we, Kimosabe?” It’s a neat and compact quote and it’s easy to recall. Note: As a Republican the NYT does not determine your worth. When it comes to periodicals, The Wall Street Journal must define the culture. Culture will defeat organization every time.


Take a look at what the Village Voice did to David Mamet. They asked him to submit an article explaining his play's politics. He did and titled it "Political Civility." The editors at the Voice turned around and gave it the headline of "Why I Am No Longer a Brain-Dead Liberal."
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Post by Godjira » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:37 am

Of course, the Village Voice is really the same as the New York Times, aside from all those ads for SM clubs.
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Maybe the republicans could try having policies that a majority of the electorate support?
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Post by kirrabi » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:44 am

Godjira wrote:Of course, the Village Voice is really the same as the New York Times, aside from all those ads for SM clubs.
I can't say I have ever read it. It must be of some value if Norman Mailer bothered to write a review for the paper.
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Post by kirrabi » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:47 am

i_have_shiny_shoes wrote:
section8 wrote:The republican party has devolved to the point that it more closely resembles an internet message board troll than a functioning political body. Your tribe didn't lose because of demographics, you lost because your ideas are shit. Climb into the 21st century, cast off your extremists, and pull together some policy ideas that aren't complete bullshit and/or cynical nihilism and you'll do a little bit better from now on.


On that note, Sean Hannity, of all people, has voiced today that he supports comprehensive immigration reform including a pathway to citizenship for all except convicted criminals.

Hilarious and brilliantly put, btw.

Citizenship or green card? Rubio is offering residency and you're saying Hannity wants to go father than Rubio?
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jono_in_adelaide wrote:Maybe the republicans could try having policies that a majority of the electorate support?

Now hat's just silly talk

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section8 wrote:The republican party has devolved to the point that it more closely resembles an internet message board troll than a functioning political body. Your tribe didn't lose because of demographics, you lost because your ideas are shit. Climb into the 21st century, cast off your extremists, and pull together some policy ideas that aren't complete bullshit and/or cynical nihilism and you'll do a little bit better from now on.


On that note, Sean Hannity, of all people, has voiced today that he supports comprehensive immigration reform including a pathway to citizenship for all except convicted criminals.

Hilarious and brilliantly put, btw.

Citizenship or green card? Rubio is offering residency and you're saying Hannity wants to go father than Rubio?

You can apply for citizenship after x years (5?) of green card residency, so they are basically the same proposal....

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Post by kirrabi » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:53 am

Rubio is offering permanent residency without chance of citizenship. That's the way he explained it months back. Has there been an update two days after the election?
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Post by incognita » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:55 am

3. As a Republican don’t ever submit an editorial to the New York Times. Having something published in the NYT does not validate your intellect. It shows your stupidity. They will take your opinion of how to save the auto industry and they will give it the headline of “Let Detroit go Bankrupt”, thus instigating prejudice against you and animosity towards you. (Notice that not only can people infer you mean to destroy the auto industry but you mean to kill the city too.)


Romney was for 'Let Detroit Go Bankrupt' before he was against it:


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So you didn't read his editorial either.
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kirrabi wrote:Rubio is offering permanent residency without chance of citizenship. That's the way he explained it months back.

That's just stupid, even if he can get it pass the court. I mean, he is letting people to stay here permanently, but won't give them citizenship after 10-20 years? That's just creating a permanent second cases citizen class.

Not to mention that will just pissed off both sides. The righties will go nuts for making the illegal brown people leag residents, and the Hispanics will see this as "what, we are good enough to do your dirty jobs and pay taxes, but not good enough to get citizenships?".

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Post by incognita » Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:06 am

Yeah, I read it. The point was that people are now claiming that "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt" was foisted on Mitt and that's not really what he meant, when it was (and in this news clip, he owns that exact phrase).
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kirrabi wrote:
Godjira wrote:Of course, the Village Voice is really the same as the New York Times, aside from all those ads for SM clubs.
I can't say I have ever read it. It must be of some value if Norman Mailer bothered to write a review for the paper.



Well, it's about as far from the New York Times as the New York Post is, except left wing- more than that, it's excrementally trendy and left wing.

Next time you're in NYC, pick up a copy. It's free- and it has good concert and porn shop listings.
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Post by korgy » Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:16 pm

To answer kirrabi 's question, what happened is that the Republicans still haven't realized that the majority of voters today are not old white guys who believe they should tell everyone else what to do.
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Post by Flobster » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:40 am

the majority of voters today are not old white guys who believe they should tell everyone else what to do.


Of course, those people were never a majority (especially if by 'guys' you mean ony 'men'). What seems to have changed is that most people no longer vote the way the old white guys tell them to.

Nice quote from Incongnita's article:

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section8 wrote:On that note, Sean Hannity, of all people, has voiced today that he supports comprehensive immigration reform including a pathway to citizenship for all except convicted criminals.



You think its a good think to reward illigal immigrants with citizenship shiny?
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Romney offered the same political and economic policies of Bush, but even worse.

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jono_in_adelaide wrote:You think its a good think to reward illigal immigrants with citizenship shiny?


I'm a realist, Jono.
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Post by Fred Garvin » Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:38 pm

The people with a brain knew that Romney was a fake and a fraud, and decided that they'll take Obama over a RINO who just told whoever was standing front of him, whatever they wanted to hear.

The GOP candidate sucked, that's why they lost.

Shouldn't have shrugged off Ron Paul,Idiots. They should've done everything in their power to organize all the young peoplke who LOVE Ron Paul. But nooo, can't have a straight shooter as your nominee, that would go against the Bullshit Mountain narrative.
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kirrabi wrote:
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section8 wrote:The republican party has devolved to the point that it more closely resembles an internet message board troll than a functioning political body. Your tribe didn't lose because of demographics, you lost because your ideas are shit. Climb into the 21st century, cast off your extremists, and pull together some policy ideas that aren't complete bullshit and/or cynical nihilism and you'll do a little bit better from now on.


On that note, Sean Hannity, of all people, has voiced today that he supports comprehensive immigration reform including a pathway to citizenship for all except convicted criminals.

Hilarious and brilliantly put, btw.

Citizenship or green card? Rubio is offering residency and you're saying Hannity wants to go father than Rubio?

This whole meme that we need to give citizenship to illegal aliens is bullshit. Hannity is an idiot.

In 1986 the Republicans passed a law creating amnesty for the four million illegal aliens.

In 1988, Bners voted for the Dumbocrats 70 to 30, the same ratio as this election.

Mexicans want the free stuff the Dumbocrats promise to all the looters, leeches and losers.
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Lost Soul wrote:Mexicans want the free stuff the Dumbocrats promise to all the looters, leeches and losers.


Are you really this clueless? Do you have no idea of how much hard work is done by Mexicans in the States?

Shit like your above statement make you seem very stupid.

What happened?

OWS made the news and folks paid attention, an economy in recovery, no new wars, Republicans suck socially and fiscally.
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...Bners....


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Flobster wrote:
the majority of voters today are not old white guys who believe they should tell everyone else what to do.


Of course, those people were never a majority (especially if by 'guys' you mean ony 'men'). ..


Um...excuse me, flobster? Do we need a little refresher course in American History? Civil Rights, Suffrage, Abolition...old farts in powdered wigs signing documents with bird feathers?

I think you might wanna review your comment a little more..
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It must have been a funny demographic if old guys were always the majority.
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Willard got fewer votes than McCain did in 2008. That's what happened. You ran John Kerry.
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Fun to see the Romney fans trying to etch-a-sketch what happened and what their candidate said while the non-Romney Republicans suggest that Obama won because the Republicans weren't extreme enough.

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Electrolyte wrote:Fun to see the Romney fans trying to etch-a-sketch what happened and what their candidate said while the non-Romney Republicans suggest that Obama won because the Republicans weren't extreme enough.



It's odd that they don't recall that when there was a republican field with a few contenders that Romney never really above 30% support during the primaries. The dem race in 2008 had Obama and Hilary locked in a real death match, with passionate supporters for both sides. Willard only dispatched newt in florida and then santorum in Ohio and Michigan through massive ad buys.
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joeyramone wrote:It's odd that they don't recall that when there was a republican field with a few contenders that Romney never really above 30% support during the primaries. The dem race in 2008 had Obama and Hilary locked in a real death match, with passionate supporters for both sides. Willard only dispatched newt in florida and then santorum in Ohio and Michigan through massive ad buys.

Yes, but be realistic. Do you think even Washington, Lincoln, or Roosevelt could have risen above 30 percent when faced with the likes of Trump, Cain, Paul, or Gingrich?

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Electrolyte wrote:
joeyramone wrote:It's odd that they don't recall that when there was a republican field with a few contenders that Romney never really above 30% support during the primaries. The dem race in 2008 had Obama and Hilary locked in a real death match, with passionate supporters for both sides. Willard only dispatched newt in florida and then santorum in Ohio and Michigan through massive ad buys.

Yes, but be realistic. Do you think even Washington, Lincoln, or Roosevelt could have risen above 30 percent when faced with the likes of Trump, Cain, Paul, or Gingrich?

depends if you mean Claudell Washington, Evelyn Lincoln or Roosevelt Grier.
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Post by Scott_Baio » Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:20 pm

It's tough to unseat a sitting President.

All of the hand wringing about the future of he GOP from the liberal MSM is completely off and incredibly shortsighted to say the least.

The situation the GOP has with Hispanic voters will change. And most likely it will change in favor of the GOP. As generations of Hispanic immigrants start to take root in the US they will naturally gravitate towards the GOP like many of the immigrant groups before them.
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Scott_Baio wrote:It's tough to unseat a sitting President.

All of the hand wringing about the future of he GOP from the liberal MSM is completely off and incredibly shortsighted to say the least.

The situation the GOP has with Hispanic voters will change. And most likely it will change in favor of the GOP. As generations of Hispanic immigrants start to take root in the US they will naturally gravitate towards the GOP like many of the immigrant groups before them.

actually, there is as much hand wringing is from the conservative media and republican officials. Just keep up your narrative though, it'll make you feel better.
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Post by Lost Soul » Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:08 am

Maybe those dumb fucks ought to put Jesus in a lockbox in 2016?

Maybe quit talking about legitimate rape?

And maybe just STFU about banning abortions?

The gender gap on this retard was 18%.
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Lost Soul wrote:Maybe those dumb fucks ought to put Jesus in a lockbox in 2016?

Maybe quit talking about legitimate rape?

And maybe just STFU about banning abortions?

The gender gap on this retard was 18%.

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Re: So what happened?

Post by i_have_shiny_shoes » Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:33 am

Scott_Baio wrote:It's tough to unseat a sitting President.


IIRC, this was only the second time in history there had been three Presidents each re-elected consecutively, and certainly, 7.9% unemployment shouldn't have allowed Obama to win by 3.5 million votes/nearly 3% of the popular vote. Obama is also the first President since Reagan to win two majorities of the popular vote.

Romney was a shitty candidate with shitty policies running a shitty campaign using shitty staff in an overall shitty GOP operation.

All of the hand wringing about the future of he GOP from the liberal MSM is completely off and incredibly shortsighted to say the least.

The situation the GOP has with Hispanic voters will change. And most likely it will change in favor of the GOP. As generations of Hispanic immigrants start to take root in the US they will naturally gravitate towards the GOP like many of the immigrant groups before them.


Except Asian-Americans, one of the more typically conservative-voting immigrant groups, voted for Democrats in greater numbers than ever before in this election, with a higher proportion of Asian-Americans going for Obama (73%) than Latino (71%).
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So what happened?

Post by cuchulainn » Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:36 pm

The GOP needs to stick to their values and double down on Jesus.

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Post by tph24601 » Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:34 pm

The situation the GOP has with Hispanic voters will change. And most likely it will change in favor of the GOP. As generations of Hispanic immigrants start to take root in the US they will naturally gravitate towards the GOP like many of the immigrant groups before them.

hell, you can say that about all voters, as the younger voters who currently tend to vote for Democrats get older, they get more conservative and tend more likely to vote GOP

didn't help Grandpa McCain and Lord Romney, but who knows, this trend can reverse by maybe 2028

unless of course GOP still hoping they will self-deport and stop taking gifts from the govt.l.....

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Post by AnnieOakley » Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:13 pm

cuchulainn wrote:The GOP needs to stick to their values and double down on Jesus.



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