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Post by Electrolyte » Thu Nov 08, 2012 1:28 am

Top Republican: will work with Obama to avoid fiscal cliff

Acknowledging Obama's re-election victory, Boehner said House Republicans were willing to work with the White House and said they would accept new revenue under the right conditions.

"What we can do is avert the cliff in a manner that serves as a down payment on - and a catalyst for - major solutions, enacted in 2013, that begin to solve the problem," Boehner said in prepared remarks.

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Post by Annotated » Thu Nov 08, 2012 1:37 am

They had a deal worked out last year. Both were giving in. You know what changed it? At the last minute Obama demanded more.

Boehner will offer the same deal this time. Obama will take it this time. If he doesn't, he knows a lot of shit will hit the fan, and his "legacy" will be ruined forever.
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Post by Electrolyte » Thu Nov 08, 2012 2:44 am

Ah, I see. It's Obama who is on his knees.

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Post by Annotated » Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:44 pm

Electrolyte wrote:Ah, I see. It's Obama who is on his knees.


If that's the image you'd like to put in your head, then be my guest.
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Post by tph24601 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:50 pm

Annotated wrote:Boehner will offer the same deal this time. Obama will take it this time. If he doesn't, he knows a lot of shit will hit the fan, and his "legacy" will be ruined forever.

let's face it, Obama owns Boehner, always did, always will

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Post by Annotated » Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:56 pm

tph24601 wrote:let's face it, Obama owns Boehner, always did, always will


True. That's why we're headed to a fiscal cliff that will ruin Obama's second term completely.

Boehner will offer the exact same deal. Obama will take it on his knees, as Electro says, sucking and slurping and licking as much as Boehner wants him to.

What Obama "owns" is a Boehner pubic hair that got caught in his teeth.

Boehner's got a boner, and Barry wants to play. Should be fun to watch.
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Post by tph24601 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 5:06 pm

True. That's why we're headed to a fiscal cliff that will ruin Obama's second term completely.

how many time have you predict the demise of Obama already?

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Post by joeyramone » Thu Nov 08, 2012 5:10 pm

yeah, and wait until the teabaggers object, and Boehner pulls the deal off the table, which he's done before. Forgot that, huh?
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Post by incognita » Thu Nov 08, 2012 5:25 pm

What's the difference between the fiscal cliff and an austerity program? Other than that the FC is maybe more austerity than even the Republicans want?
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Post by Annotated » Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:39 pm

tph24601 wrote:
True. That's why we're headed to a fiscal cliff that will ruin Obama's second term completely.

how many time have you predict the demise of Obama already?


If you don't think the fiscal cliff will ruin Obama's second term, then I suggest you root for it, so he can stick to his principles.

Obama is stupid, but he's not as stupid as you. Boehner will offer the exact same deal (the deal that they had AGREED TO, btw, until Obama upped the ante at the last minute), and Obama will not only take it, he will, as Electro says, take it on his knees.
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Post by Electrolyte » Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:26 pm

Annotated wrote:That's why we're headed to a fiscal cliff that will ruin Obama's second term completely.

Hah! Not now that the Republicans have been broken.

But I don't want to spoil your fantasies, at least not until reality intrudes.

Annotated wrote:sucking and slurping and licking

That is from your twisted mind, not mine.

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Post by joeyramone » Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:14 pm

keep ignoring the FACT that Boehner walked away from the first deal, chump.


Under pressure from right, John Boehner steps back on debt deal
The speaker's announcement comes just a day before more talks with the president. | AP Photo
By DAVID ROGERS & JAKE SHERMAN | 7/9/11 8:52 PM EDT Updated: 7/10/11 12:51 PM EDT

House Speaker John Boehner, under pressure from the right and facing resistance from his own deputies, backed away Saturday from a bold $4 trillion deficit-reduction package that he once hoped would resolve the August debt ceiling crisis and give a shot in the arm to a lagging economy.

Tax policy disputes were at the center of the collapse, including differences with the White House over President Barack Obama’s demand that future tax reforms must maintain or increase the progressivity of the tax code. But for days Boehner has been under relentless pressure from conservatives to step away from the deal, which Saturday’s Wall Street Journal editorial writers dubbed “Boehner’s Obama Gamble.”

The White House signaled it will continue to make its case for the plan in a meeting Sunday evening with congressional leaders, including Boehner. But without the speaker’s support, it has no chance of being implemented, and the focus is expected to turn toward a smaller package more in the range of $2.4 trillion.

Boehner spoke with the president prior to making his announcement Saturday evening and continues to demand that the deficit reduction match dollar-for-dollar whatever debt ceiling is agreed to prior to the August 2 deadline set by Treasury.

That will not be an easy matter, given the Republican hard line against new tax revenues. Weeks of negotiations led by Vice President Joseph Biden have identified deficit-reduction savings in the range of $1.7 trillion to $2 trillion in savings. But that leaves a gap of $400 billion to $700 billion to be filled, and Democrats have argued strongly that revenues must be part of the mix.

“Despite good faith efforts to find common ground, the White House will not pursue a bigger debt reduction agreement without tax hikes,” Boehner said in his statement. “I believe the best approach may be to focus on producing a smaller measure, based on the cuts identified in the Biden-led negotiations, that still meets our call for spending reforms and cuts greater than the amount of any debt limit increase.”

White House communications director Dan Pfeiffer countered that Obama wants “a balanced approach that asks the very wealthiest and special interests to pay their fair share as well, and we believe the American people agree.”

“Both parties have made real progress thus far, and to back off now will not only fail to solve our fiscal challenge, it will confirm the cynicism people have about politics in Washington,” Pfeiffer said in a statement. “The president believes that now is the moment to rise above that cynicism and show the American people that we can still do big things. And so tomorrow, he will make the case to congressional leaders that we must reject the politics of least resistance and take on this critical challenge.”

The setback would appear a clear victory for conservatives in Boehner’s conference and in the Republican leadership.




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Post by kirrabi » Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:38 pm

Quit being so cheap and spring for Bob Woodward's new book. He'll tell you that it was Obama's ineptitude and lack of leadership qualities (due to his lack of meaningful experience, imo).


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Post by Annotated » Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:57 pm

joeyramone wrote:keep ignoring the FACT that Boehner walked away from the first deal, chump.


Yes, Boehner walked away after Obama tried to change the ALREADY AGREED UPON DEAL at the last minute. Boehner had gotten all he could get from his side. Obama knew it. And yet he decided to ask for more anyway.

You re-elected a piece of shit who not only can't govern, but doesn't even want to try to. Congratulations.
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Post by Godjira » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:12 am

What new administrative technicality will the GOP exploit next, like they did with raising the debt ceiling?
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Post by tph24601 » Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:12 am

kirrabi wrote:Quit being so cheap and spring for Bob Woodward's new book. He'll tell you that it was Obama's ineptitude and lack of leadership qualities

this comes only 2days after the inept Obama kick Romney, the man full of experiences and superpac money, ass all over the electoral map

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Post by Godjira » Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:16 am

Yes, it's definitely Obama's ineptness, lack of leadership and inexperience that brought him into the White House for the second time. That, and every person in the country who voted for him either being too stupid to realize they're being duped or being bribed by the promise of food stamps.
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Post by Electrolyte » Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:20 am

Obama is inept, inexperienced and lacks leadership experience, and unemployment is at about 8 percent.

And Romney couldn't win.

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and the 1000 years of darkness will soon be upon us.....

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Post by i_have_shiny_shoes » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:34 pm

incognita wrote:What's the difference between the fiscal cliff and an austerity program? Other than that the FC is maybe more austerity than even the Republicans want?


The "fiscal cliff" involves massive cuts to military expenditure, which Republicans really don't want despite allegedly being the party of limited government. Moreover, despite being committed to paying down th debt, congressional Republicans oddly want to extend the Bush tax cuts in their entirety, adding the paltry amount of $3.28 trillion to the debt over a 10 year period.
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Post by flojin » Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:24 pm

Funny how all these fiscal conservatives are in a panic about lowering spending and raising taxes to stop the growth of US debt.
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Post by joeyramone » Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:02 pm

Annotated wrote:
joeyramone wrote:keep ignoring the FACT that Boehner walked away from the first deal, chump.


Yes, Boehner walked away after Obama tried to change the ALREADY AGREED UPON DEAL at the last minute. Boehner had gotten all he could get from his side. Obama knew it. And yet he decided to ask for more anyway.

You re-elected a piece of shit who not only can't govern, but doesn't even want to try to. Congratulations.



Nope, you're confusing two different deals, Sparky. Try and keep up.
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Post by incognita » Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:15 pm

flojin wrote:Funny how all these fiscal conservatives are in a panic about lowering spending and raising taxes to stop the growth of US debt.


Exactly. Like I said before, what's the difference between the fiscal cliff & austerity policy, which is what they've been crying for since the minute Bush left office?
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Post by Scott_Baio » Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:54 pm

It's pretty funny that all of this talk about compromise is ALWAYS about how the GOP should give in to what the Dems want.

See....that's how compromise works.

Jamming ObamaCare down everyone's throat without trying to garner one vote form the opposing side is fighting the good fight.
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Post by joeyramone » Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:39 pm

Scott_Baio wrote:It's pretty funny that all of this talk about compromise is ALWAYS about how the GOP should give in to what the Dems want.

See....that's how compromise works.

Jamming ObamaCare down everyone's throat without trying to garner one vote form the opposing side is fighting the good fight.



so, you're saying that obama didn't try to garner one vote at all?

really?

care to back that up?
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Post by Annotated » Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:45 pm

joeyramone wrote:
so, you're saying that obama didn't try to garner one vote at all?

really?

care to back that up?



To "try" in political terms means to give shit up. It doesn't mean to keep going back to the same people with the same deal in your hand but this time talking louder/softer/meaner/nicer/etc. You have to give shit up. If you give shit up, you can get people on your side. When you can't get ONE person to switch to your side ... not ONE ... what does that tell you?
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Post by coffeeguy » Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:49 pm

Maybe you could tell us what the Republicans had asked for in return for supporting Obamacare?

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Post by joeyramone » Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:14 pm

Annotated wrote:
joeyramone wrote:
so, you're saying that obama didn't try to garner one vote at all?

really?

care to back that up?



To "try" in political terms means to give shit up. It doesn't mean to keep going back to the same people with the same deal in your hand but this time talking louder/softer/meaner/nicer/etc. You have to give shit up. If you give shit up, you can get people on your side. When you can't get ONE person to switch to your side ... not ONE ... what does that tell you?



Umm, they did give up a great deal, like the whole "single payer" scheme, instead giving trillions in business to private insurance comapnies. haven't quite followed this closely, have you?
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Post by Annotated » Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:24 pm

coffeeguy wrote:Maybe you could tell us what the Republicans had asked for in return for supporting Obamacare?


Essentially they wanted a more market-based approach. You can see many of such ideas here: http://www.nationalaffairs.com/publicat ... -obamacare

In truth, I was actually glad to see Obamacare come up. Something needed/needs to be done about health care and the costs. Unfortunately, Obama handed the keys over to idiots par excellence Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. They then gave birth to the abomination known as Obamacare (the only child they never lusted to abort).
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If Annotated ever stumbled upon a good point, do you think anyone would notice?

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Post by Electrolyte » Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:56 am

Annotated wrote:To "try" in political terms means to give shit up.

Like to give up $1 of tax increases in exchange for $10 in spending cuts?

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Post by brettyb » Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:44 pm

OK, Dems, here's your chance. You have been railing against the "Bush Tax Cuts" for years and years, blaming them for, at least, a large percentage of our current fiscal woes. Both the president and vice president even made the asinine implication that the tax cuts were a significant contributing factor to the housing bubble and subsequent recession.

Now you can let them expire. Go ahead. You've repeated the imbecilic catch phrase "tax cuts for the rich" for years now. Surely, then, letting the rates return to Clinton-era rates would hurt only the "rich"? In fact, you like to point out that there was higher growth during the Clinton years, implying that higher tax rate actually encourage economic growth. Here's your chance to test that theory.
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Post by Electrolyte » Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:43 pm

That's a simplistic response along the lines of "Obama killed OBL and he's a hero, so now I can kill someone I don't like and I should be a hero."

Bush stimulated the economy when it was overheating. Obama is stimulating it when it is in recession.

Obama would prefer that more of the stimulus be through spending, particularly on education and infrastructure, but the Republicans have blocked him.

So some stimulus through tax reduction is needed. But Obama is going to be damned if the rich, who benefited so disproportionately during the past two decades, are going to get the bulk of the benefit of this stimulus, while the poor suffer the bulk of the expenditure cuts that Republicans have insisted on.

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Post by joeyramone » Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:45 pm

brettyb wrote:OK, Dems, here's your chance. You have been railing against the "Bush Tax Cuts" for years and years, blaming them for, at least, a large percentage of our current fiscal woes. Both the president and vice president even made the asinine implication that the tax cuts were a significant contributing factor to the housing bubble and subsequent recession.

Now you can let them expire. Go ahead. You've repeated the imbecilic catch phrase "tax cuts for the rich" for years now. Surely, then, letting the rates return to Clinton-era rates would hurt only the "rich"? In fact, you like to point out that there was higher growth during the Clinton years, implying that higher tax rate actually encourage economic growth. Here's your chance to test that theory.



Higher tax rates really hurt the country in the 1950's.
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