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Post by polardude1 » Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:00 pm

You might want to compare Rivlin's statements to the Hamas MP. This is the Hamas you call moderate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygbJDcOTjjw


It is amazing how you have become a big fan of a Likud MP


Yesterday Israeli police arrested a 12 and 13 year old

It=f those were Palestinian children arrested, you wold be wound up in anger about it.

Amazing that there seems be be a growing awareness of this problem. I guess the Palestinians can learn something here
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Post by Israeli » Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:13 am

TerryTeo wrote:
Yesterday Israeli police arrested a 12 and 13 year old suspected in the recent West Bank terrorist attack. They were apparently arrested in their religious school within their settlement. Such incitement comes as no surprise when leading Israeli Rabbis are openly advocating their followers to pray for the annihilation of others.




Sugar-coated racism

OPED by Yariv Oppenheimer, Haaretz, Aug. 22, 2012

"Why don't you come spend Shabbat with us on our settlement, come to the synagogue and see for yourself that we don't have horns and there is no occupation?" I get such an invitation practically word for word every few months from settlers who wish to present the appearance of a normative, moral and virtuous community beyond the Green Line.

In the last week, the truth behind the polite invitations, the Shabbat challah loaves and the broad smiles of many of the settlers was revealed again, as they went on talking about Jewish morals, Zionism and values. In a single week we saw members of the radical right who serve as the parliamentary aides of a popular rightwing member of Knesset harass the granddaughter of the late Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin on her way out of a memorial service for her grandfather; we heard about a bus driver who refused to admit Palestinians who had undergone security inspections, and when forced by the police to take them, dropped them off in the middle of the road; we all saw the shocking sights of a Palestinian family being rescued from a burning taxi after it was firebombed; we saw dozens of Jewish teenagers, in public view in downtown Jerusalem, running and beating an Arab almost to death only because he was Arab. In the face of such an ugly wave of racism, the leadership of the Israeli right continues its worrisome practice of rolling its eyes, taking no responsibility, excusing and even supporting such actions.

The bus driver who dropped off Palestinian passengers in the middle of the territories received backing from his employers, while the Israeli regional councils in the territories run a campaign to pass a regulation forbidding Arabs from using the public transportation. After the lethal firebomb was thrown in Gush Etzion, the security forces refrained from raiding the settlement of Bat Ayin to which the tracks of the perpetrators led, and the slow progress of the investigation bears no resemblance to similar investigations when the victims on the highways are settlers.

The settler leaders, who hasten to blame the Palestinians for every incident in the West Bank, fell suddenly silent, refrained from condemning the attack and asked to wait until the investigation was completed. The head of the Gush Etzion Council outdid them all when at the last minute he prevented a sympathy visit by Jews to the residents of the victims’ village, so as not to imply, God forbid, that it was Jews who had thrown the firebomb. Not a single one of the leaders of the settlements in the area would admit that the hill from which the firebomb had been thrown had turned into a preferred destination for the area's settler youth, from which to target passing Palestinian vehicles.

Members of the rightwing Lehava organization managed to justify the lynch in Jerusalem as a deterrence measure to keep Arab youths from "coming on" to Jewish girls, a baseless racist argument that attempts to legitimize violence and racism. Other rightwing figures tried to minimize the incident, excused the Palestinian teenager's grave injury by a heart disease from which he had suffered since childhood and demanded to stop using the term "attempted lynch." In response to all of that depravity, not a single central figure in the settlements’ leadership expressed concern over a young generation that is adopting methods of operation typical of terrorist organizations and nationalist and fascist movements.

Eli Yishai, Miri Regev, Danny Dannon and all the other members of the permanent chorus, which is quick to convict migrant workers or Palestinians every time a Jew is attacked, fell completely silent and chose not to confront their traditional supporters. Education Minister Gideon Saar also bears responsibility since he has systematically cut civics and democracy programs in favor of Jewish heritage studies and tours to Hebron and biblical sites. Were such violence perpetrated against Jews in any European country, the chorus of condemnation would surely be deafening. But when the victims are Palestinians, there are people who manage to find "security" or "religious" justifications for the expressions of hatred and racism and thereby give their support to the entire phenomenon. With leadership like that, it is no wonder that after every hate event the Internet is flooded with words of encouragement and support by thousands of brainwashed and hate-filled Israelis that would befit the most backward countries in the world.

Therefore, next time a smiling settler invites me to his home and tells me of the wonders of coexistence and the values of Zionism and morals, I will ask him what exactly he does after mosque burnings, olive tree torchings, fire bombings, lynch attempts in Jerusalem, discrimination against Arab passengers on buses and other forms of racism against Arabs.
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Post by queenrania » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:15 am

Israeli 'occupation' a relic of the past
Op-ed: Resilience of Jewish-Israeli survival overshadowed by false Arab-Palestinian notion of being 'occupied'
Asaf Romirowsky

As the dog days of summer are coming to an end, pro-Palestinian activist groups are gearing up for the fall semester to rally campuses in support of their cause. One upcoming event is the 'US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation' national conference, set to take place at St. Louis University between September 21-23.

It will feature speakers such Hatem Bazian, an Arabic lecturer at the University of California, Berkeley who following the war in Iraq stated that "it's about time that we have an intifada in this country that changes fundamentally the political dynamics in here." Also appearing will be Dalit Baum, who runs the anti-Israel site Who Profits from the Occupation, dedicated to the boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) movement – which claims that BDS has already cost the Israeli economy in excess of 1.5 billion dollars.
This conference is a reminder that regardless of the reality of relations between Israelis and Palestinians – the alleged Israeli "occupation" remains the larger symbol of justification for the Palestinian cause. Since 2005, when Israel disengaged from the Gaza Strip, Israel has made the argument that the notion of occupation is a relic of the past.

At the time, the Israeli government believed that the unilateral withdrawal from Gaza would remove the language of occupation from the lexicon of the Palestinian-Israeli relationship. But it has proven to be an intractable element in the debate, notwithstanding the fact that Hamas runs Gaza and the Palestinian Authority has jurisdiction over areas of the West Bank.

The Hamas leadership dismisses the idea of "occupation" in Gaza, but within Palestinian culture as a whole "occupation" remains the root cause of all problems. It also signals a core Palestinian cultural and political belief, namely rejection of Israel. The notion of the "occupation" has become the defining lens through which the Palestinians' self conception is explained and all actions and inactions justified.

This is also the myopic view taken by anti-Israel ideologues like Norman Finkelstein, Ilan Pappe and even Peter Beinart who claims to be a lover of Zion – just one who is having a difficult time grappling with the "harsh" Israeli reality of being an occupier.

Palestinians cling to notions of being "stateless," "occupied" and forever refugees, allowing them to never take responsibility or be accountable as a functioning society and "state to be." Believing this is the truth produces Beinart's and other sympathizers' anguish. However, this is not the truth.

The resilience of Jewish-Israeli survival has been overshadowed by the false Arab-Palestinian notion of being "occupied" and "robbed" of their true destiny. Consequently, Israel is the "oppressor "and Palestinian nomenclature demands that the "occupation" remains the root cause of all problems, from social and economic woes to terrorism.

The claim that Israel is “occupying” Gaza is preposterous, but even the "occupation" of the West Bank now must be seen in a different light. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was presented of late with the report of the Commission to Examine the Status of Building in Judea and Samaria, headed by former Supreme Court Justice Edmond Levy.

This commission controversially argued that Israel’s presence within the 1967 borders over the past 45 years is legitimate and that this presence, according to international law, should not be understood as "belligerent occupation."

Universities that are supposed to be bastions of critical thinking, and opposition to fallacies of argument have become fertile ground for myth, fantasy, and lies about history. The occupation and apartheid accusations waged against Israel are just one of many such fallacious rhetorical tropes used in the ongoing war of delegitimization that is being sponsored on campuses by those whose sole goal is to destroy Israel and its reputation for a generation of young Americans.

The consorted effort give the impression that ending specific Israeli policies, such as the "occupation" or "apartheid," would also end efforts to ostracize Israel, which is not in the interest of these groups and is hardly academic as well.

Finally, were there to be a real discussion about an occupation, why not talk about Syria’s long occupation of Lebanon and face that fact that the "Israeli occupation" of Palestinians is more of a psychological than it is physical.

Asaf Romirowsky PhD, is the acting executive director of Scholars for Peace in the Middle East (SPME).

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Post by Israeli » Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:14 am

queenrania
Your above post has nothing to do with the OP Anyone for a lynching?
If Asaf Romirowsky and you believe that there is no such thing as the occupation I suggest you start your own thread on it and see how many agree with you both .
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Re: Anyone for a lynching?

Post by TerryTeo » Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:36 am

Rainman why do you need to lie? I have never called Hamas moderate. There are and have been some moderates within Hamas but I have never labelled Hamas moderate.

So why do you lie?

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Re: Anyone for a lynching?

Post by Israeli » Mon Aug 27, 2012 11:19 am

TerryTeo wrote:So why do you lie?


Good question .

Not just in connection with you Terry , he lies all the time .
His and Disco's biggest lie was backing up dave.bt in the farce of Poppy .
Mocking a dead IDF medic and his family , how low can you go ?
All three of them are lying bastards .
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Re: Anyone for a lynching?

Post by polardude1 » Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:38 pm

There are and have been some moderates within Hamas but I have never labelled Hamas moderate.



Terror
...Hamas and Hezbollah are still riddled with extremists and extreme ideology, however in government they have learnt that practicality is more important to the masses than rhetoric and belligerence. You mean assassinating


That deputy speaker of parliament sure sounds practical and his speech is free of rhetoric and belligerence. :roll:
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Post by dave.bt » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:32 pm

polardude1 wrote:
There are and have been some moderates within Hamas but I have never labelled Hamas moderate.



Terror
...Hamas and Hezbollah are still riddled with extremists and extreme ideology, however in government they have learnt that practicality is more important to the masses than rhetoric and belligerence. You mean assassinating


That deputy speaker of parliament sure sounds practical and his speech is free of rhetoric and belligerence. :roll:




oooohhhhhhh. that's got to hurt. Straight between the eyes. Nice one Polar.

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Post by TerryTeo » Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:31 pm

Again Rainman you provide 'evidence' that refutes your claim. I have never labelled Hamas moderate, infact as you have shown I recently addressed the fact that Hamas is still riddled with extremists and extreme ideology. Ahmad Bahr is one of those extremists, that no one here defends. His equivalents in Israel such as Rabbi Yosef, the spiritual leader of Shas, this week preached from his pulpit for his followers to pray for the annihilation of Israels enemies. He has previously descibed the Palestinians as snakes and described the purpose of non-Jews as there to serve the Jews.

There are fruitcakes on both sides as there are terrorists. You fail to acknowledge this and fabricate lies to protect your ignorance.

As for the settler children arrested, they are not being held in administrative detention without access to their lawyers and family as so many Palestinian children are. That however is a side issue. The real issue here is the indoctrination of these youths to commit violence, something we can both agree on has blighted Palestinian society for decades. Your willingness to turn a blind eye to its apparent escalation amongst Jewish youth is no surprise. Rivlin was brave enough to enunciate the problem but actions must follow words or these attacks will get worse. I wonder if thats a problem to you?

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Post by polardude1 » Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:08 pm

It's not enough that i post video from the deputy speaker of Hamas's so called parliament. Wow!

The asshole, Rabbi Yosef, is not in parliament in any shape or form.

As for the settler children arrested,

you protest too much

Rivlin was brave

more praise for a Likudnik. wow!


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By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN


I just saw a remarkable new documentary directed by Shlomi Eldar, the Gaza reporter for Israel’s Channel 10 news. Titled “Precious Life,” the film tracks the story of Mohammed Abu Mustafa, a 4-month-old Palestinian baby suffering from a rare immune deficiency. Moved by the baby’s plight, Eldar helps the infant and mother go from Gaza to Israel’s Tel Hashomer hospital for lifesaving bone-marrow treatment. The operation costs $55,000. Eldar puts out an appeal on Israel TV and within hours an Israeli Jew whose own son was killed during military service donates all the money.

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The documentary takes a dramatic turn, though, when the infant’s Palestinian mother, Raida, who is being disparaged by fellow Gazans for having her son treated in Israel, blurts out that she hopes he’ll grow up to be a suicide bomber to help recover Jerusalem. Raida tells Eldar: “From the smallest infant, even smaller than Mohammed, to the oldest person, we will all sacrifice ourselves for the sake of Jerusalem. We feel we have the right to it. You’re free to be angry, so be angry.”

Eldar is devastated by her declaration and stops making the film. But this is no Israeli propaganda movie. The drama of the Palestinian boy’s rescue at an Israeli hospital is juxtaposed against Israeli retaliations for shelling from Gaza, which kill whole Palestinian families. Dr. Raz Somech, the specialist who treats Mohammed as if he were his own child, is summoned for reserve duty in Gaza in the middle of the film. The race by Israelis and Palestinians to save one life is embedded in the larger routine of the two communities grinding each other up.


“It’s clear to me that the war in Gaza was justified — no country can allow itself to be fired at with Qassam rockets — but I did not see many people pained by the loss of life on the Palestinian side,” Eldar told the Israeli newspaper Haaretz. “Because we were so angry at Hamas, all the Israeli public wanted was to [expletive] Gaza. ... It wasn’t until after the incident of Dr. Abu al-Aish — the Gaza physician I spoke with on live TV immediately after a shell struck his house and caused the death of his daughters and he was shouting with grief and fear — that I discovered the [Israeli] silent majority that has compassion for people, including Palestinians. I found that many Israeli viewers shared my feelings.” So Eldar finished the documentary about how Mohammed’s life was saved in Israel.

His raw film reflects the Middle East I know — one full of amazing compassion, even among enemies, and breathtaking cruelty, even among neighbors.

I write about this now because there is something foul in the air. It is a trend, both deliberate and inadvertent, to delegitimize Israel — to turn it into a pariah state, particularly in the wake of the Gaza war. You hear the director Oliver Stone saying crazy things about how Hitler killed more Russians than Jews, but the Jews got all the attention because they dominate the news media and their lobby controls Washington. You hear Britain’s prime minister describing Gaza as a big Israeli “prison camp” and Turkey’s prime minister telling Israel’s president, “When it comes to killing, you know very well how to kill.” You see singers canceling concerts in Tel Aviv. If you just landed from Mars, you might think that Israel is the only country that has killed civilians in war — never Hamas, never Hezbollah, never Turkey, never Iran, never Syria, never America.

I’m not here to defend Israel’s bad behavior. Just the opposite. I’ve long argued that Israel’s colonial settlements in the West Bank are suicidal for Israel as a Jewish democracy. I don’t think Israel’s friends can make that point often enough or loud enough.

But there are two kinds of criticism. Constructive criticism starts by making clear: “I know what world you are living in.” I know the Middle East is a place where Sunnis massacre Shiites in Iraq, Iran kills its own voters, Syria allegedly kills the prime minister next door, Turkey hammers the Kurds, and Hamas engages in indiscriminate shelling and refuses to recognize Israel. I know all of that. But Israel’s behavior, at times, only makes matters worse — for Palestinians and Israelis. If you convey to Israelis that you understand the world they’re living in, and then criticize, they’ll listen.

Destructive criticism closes Israeli ears. It says to Israelis: There is no context that could explain your behavior, and your wrongs are so uniquely wrong that they overshadow all others. Destructive critics dismiss Gaza as an Israeli prison, without ever mentioning that had Hamas decided — after Israel unilaterally left Gaza — to turn it into Dubai rather than Tehran, Israel would have behaved differently, too. Destructive criticism only empowers the most destructive elements in Israel to argue that nothing Israel does matters, so why change?

How about everybody take a deep breath, pop a copy of “Precious Life” into your DVD players, watch this documentary about the real Middle East, and if you still want to be a critic (as I do), be a constructive one. A lot more Israelis and Palestinians will listen to you.

Nicholas D. Kristof is off today.
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Re: Anyone for a lynching?

Post by TerryTeo » Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:33 am

Rainman wrote: It's not enough that i post video from the deputy speaker of Hamas's so called parliament. Wow!


Enough for what? What are you trying to prove with this video? I thought you were trying to prove that I called Hamas moderate, or have you given up on that lie already? Or do you think that the video offers justification for Jewish children commiting acts of terror?

Rainman wrote:The asshole, Rabbi Yosef, is not in parliament in any shape or form.


Rabbi Yosef has more political influence in Israel than Ahmad Bahr has in the Palestinian territories. The Palestinian Legislative Council hasn't sat since 2007, when the Israeli government kidnapped dozens of its members in revenge for Shalits kidnapping. 18 of these Legislative Council members still remain in Israel 'administrative detention' today, denied a trial like hundreds of other Palestinian political prisoners that Israel refuses court access.

Rabbi Yosef though still commands considerable political influence in Israel as the spiritual leader of Shas and former Chief Rabbi. In recent days Netanyahu dispatched his head of National Security and Interior Minister to enlist Yosefs support for an attack in Iran.

Rainman wrote:more praise for a Likudnik. wow!


Are you so ignorant to believe that because I disagree with a political party I can't agree with a member of that partys comments? Do you live in such a black and white world where every Republican is regarded as the enemy regardless of any merit to what he or she may have to say? Is the world you live in so divided down the center by a line that says that person disagrees with me so I mst disagree with everything they say or stand for? You really are pathetic.

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Post by polardude1 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:06 am

Rabbi Yosef does not vote in the knesset


Funny how you though containing Ayyash was Ok while you where screaming a boat the lack of action by the Israeli poise. You are a jackass.
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Post by TerryTeo » Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:07 pm

Simpleton, you don't need to have a physical vote in the knesset to weild political influence. He is the siritual leader of Shas and its political leader is the current Interior Minister who beat a path to his door last week asking for support for an attack on Iran.

Now without being such a drama queen and I know thats difficult for you, where have I been "screaming" about the Israeli poise [sic]. I assume thats one of your transliterations for Police?

For the record, I don't mind at all that the Israeli police come to an arrangement with the settlers to contain and prevent further violence in lieu of arrests. I see the advantages to the State and to the Palestinians in such an approach. The Israeli government under Netanyahu has also agreed this with the Palestinian prisoners they released in exchange for Shalit. Unfortunately though, as has been evidenced today in another vicious assault on a 67yr old Palestinian shepard, there is little containment of these thugs that is apparent.

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Post by polardude1 » Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:21 am

Simpleton, you don't need to have a physical vote

you ned to it make policy

For the record, I don't mind at all that the Israeli police come to an arrangement with the settlers to contain and prevent further violence in lieu of arrests

I don' know of any arrangement and if you are trying to compare it to the bomb maker, you fall well short
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Post by Israeli » Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:22 am

polardude1 wrote:Rabbi Yosef does not vote in the knesset



No he just controls the whole party :

Every diplomatic question on the agenda has answers in Jewish law. The party's spiritual leader, Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, determines the party's official position.

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Post by TerryTeo » Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:55 am

Rainman wrote:
I don' know of any arrangement and if you are trying to compare it to the bomb maker, you fall well short


There is a lot you don't know of. Such as the fact that "amnesty arrangements" between Israel and Palestinian militants are quite common and includes many with blood on their hands and those previously accused of directing suicide bombers. Hundreds of Palestinian terrorists have accepted amnesty offers from Israel, whereby if they agreed to lay down their arms and refrain from further violence, Israel would stop pursuing them. Clearly the IDF and Israeli government recognises the merit in such agreements, you though are too simple to understand how refraining from acts of revenge can itself prevent violence.

And stop trying to pretend Yosef has little political influence in Israel. I'm sure you don't even believe that bullshit so stop kidding yourself that anyone else will.

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Post by polardude1 » Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:03 am

Such as the fact that "amnesty arrangements" between Israel and Palestinian militants are quite common and includes many with blood on their hands and those previously accused of directing suicide bombers.


There was amnesty offered to former PLO terrorists not current bomb makers who wrap suicide bombs around suicide bombers. Israelis were none to happy with Arafat and his clan getting a free pass?

And stop trying to pretend Yosef has little political influence in Israel

did I denny that. He does not cast votes and influences only one party. Yosef is far more concerned about domestic issues than foreign or military policy.
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Post by TerryTeo » Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:12 pm

Rainman wrote:
Such as the fact that "amnesty arrangements" between Israel and Palestinian militants are quite common and includes many with blood on their hands and those previously accused of directing suicide bombers.


There was amnesty offered to former PLO terrorists not current bomb makers who wrap suicide bombs around suicide bombers. Israelis were none to happy with Arafat and his clan getting a free pass?


I have no idea what your question is, I'm absolutely sure you have no idea either. However of course, you are wrong again. Included amongst those offered amnesty was the likes of Ala Senakreh, the accused director of suicide bombing attacks from the Al Aqsa Martyrs. He was more influential and powerful than Yahya Ayyash.

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And stop trying to pretend Yosef has little political influence in Israel

did I denny that. He does not cast votes and influences only one party. Yosef is far more concerned about domestic issues than foreign or military policy.


You have compared Yosef to Bahr. Bahr has a title in a non-existant legislative, that hasn't sat since 2007. He has zero political influence. Yosef on the other hand guides a political party that holds the Interior Ministry and is consulted on government decisions. Such as whether to go to war with Iran. I'd call that both Foreign and Military policy. Wouldn't you?

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Post by polardude1 » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:51 am

That was in 2007, not 1996 and certainly it was a wrong move, very wrong. Why do yo put 2 separate acts together that are a works apart in terms of time. It'skind of lie when you always bring up events 63 years ago as if it is today

Bahr is an MP in the so clued Hamas parliament.

Yosef is the spiritual leader of the party that has more impact on domestic policy than foreign and defense party. Shas holds 5 cabinet seats, none of whom are part of the inner cabinet
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Post by Israeli » Sat Sep 01, 2012 5:42 am

You are both going way off track , this thread is supposed to be about the lynch and firebombing is it not ?

Now if you want to know the connection between Shas and the Lynch then read this :

What is the link between Eli Yishai and Jerusalem 'lynch'?
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Post by TerryTeo » Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:08 pm

polardude1 wrote:That was in 2007, not 1996 and certainly it was a wrong move, very wrong. Why do yo put 2 separate acts together that are a works apart in terms of time. It'skind of lie when you always bring up events 63 years ago as if it is today

Bahr is an MP in the so clued Hamas parliament.

Yosef is the spiritual leader of the party that has more impact on domestic policy than foreign and defense party. Shas holds 5 cabinet seats, none of whom are part of the inner cabinet


Rainman, Eli Yishai, is the political leader of Shas, Deputy Prime Minister of Israel, Interior Minister, Cabinet member and Inner Cabinet member. Why are you still lying?

2007 and 1996 are not worlds apart and besides, you were the idiot who raised Ayyash in this thread and are now complaining about any reference to him. The relevance of the comparison is that both were involved in suicide attacks, within a decade of each other and both were offered amnestys to prevent further attacks.


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I very much doubt that anyone opens your links or reads your c&p's. Besides the challenged Rainman, everyone else otherwise knows how to source their own stories of interest. Perhaps I'm wrong but I'm happy to hear from anyone who opens your links.

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Post by polardude1 » Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:50 pm

Rainman, Eli Yishai, is the political leader of Shas, Deputy Prime Minister of Israel, Interior Minister, Cabinet member and Inner Cabinet member. Why are you still lying?



Ok I concede Yeshai is one of those 14 inner cabinet members, just one. Being a deputy PM does not gave his vote more weight then th other members of the inner cabinet

2007 and 1996 are not worlds apart and besides

In the ME is it quite a world apart. Arafat and his cohorts were given amnesty as well when Oslo was signed. But according to your attitude, those teen who lynched an Arab in Jerusalem should be offered amnesty as well. But I guess yo works form a double standard.But you want to persecuted them according to the later of the law,. At least we agree on that.
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Post by TerryTeo » Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:28 pm

Rainman, it is only worlds apart to your sinking ship argument. In the history of the Middle East conflict 11yrs is not significant. You know this vey well, as you constantly reference historic acts as relevant.

Your deliberate misrepresentation of my view towards these lynchers is typical of your lies, that you have finally acknowledged. Any criminal should be prosecuted for his/her crime, if the ability permits. However if an amnesty agreement serves to prevent further violence in this conflict, there is merit in its consideration. You may well disagree with this, but clearly those tasked with serving Israels security don't. From the head of government to the heads of military, Israel agreed that more than 100 Palestinian terrorists were offered amnesty. The only reason why you don't want to draw a link between the amnesty offered Ayyash and the amnesty offered the many more other terrorists is that you are loathe to criticise Israels actions but are naturallycritical toward Palestinian.

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Post by polardude1 » Sun Sep 02, 2012 3:00 am

In the history of the Middle East conflict 11yrs is not significant

you really must be kidding. I mean really kidding.Try and pick a period of 11 years in the conflict and show me the slow movement of events. Are you on drugs?

Your deliberate misrepresentation of my view towards these lynchers. Any criminal should be prosecuted for his/her crime,




really/ I guess bomb making to blow up civilians is a form of combat and lyching is a crime

BTW, the assault in the Arab victim really was more like a gang assault and not a lynching of the kind tha took place the American south and that poor soldier in Ramallah suffered

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Lynching is an extrajudicial execution carried out by a mob, often by hanging, but also by burning at the stake or shooting, in order to punish an alleged transgressor, or to intimidate, control, or otherwise manipulate a population of people. It is related to other means of social control that arise in communities, such as charivari, riding the rail, and tarring and feathering. Lynchings have been more frequent in times of social and economic tension, and have often been the means used by the politically dominant population to oppress social challengers.
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Post by TerryTeo » Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:40 am

1993: The Oslo Accords signed.

The intent of these accords was to establish permant solutions for the status of Jerusalem, resolution of the refugee issue and national borders.

2012: No progress/outcome for any of these issues.

Thats 19yrs without any progress or movement on these core issues.

2002: The Arab Peace Initiative endorsed by the Arab League in Beiruit.

2012: Still no response from Israel.

Thats 10yrs without any progress or movement on this significant proposal.


Congratulations on your attempt to redefine lynching. Israeli authorities are prepared to recognise the incident for what it was but you're still trying to find some way to paint a different picture. Your handlers must be proud of you.

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Post by Israeli » Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:46 am

TerryTeo wrote:Israeli..

I very much doubt that anyone opens your links or reads your c&p's. Besides the challenged Rainman, everyone else otherwise knows how to source their own stories of interest. Perhaps I'm wrong but I'm happy to hear from anyone who opens your links.


That's okay Terry , wont stop me posting what I consider relevant to any on-going discussion , I know you consider the Left to be dead but its not moteck .... far from it .
we will just sit back and watch you demolish the American and show him up to be the ignorant racist liar that he is
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Post by polardude1 » Sun Sep 02, 2012 12:11 pm

1993: The Oslo Accords signed.

The intent of these accords was to establish permant solutions for the status of Jerusalem, resolution of the refugee issue and national borders.

2012: No progress/outcome for any of these issues.

Thats 19yrs without any progress or movement on these core issues.

2002: The Arab Peace Initiative endorsed by the Arab League in Beiruit.

2012: Still no response from Israel.


Fixed it for you
1993 Oslo Accords signed
1994: Peace treaty with Jordan
1993-1995: Negotiations with the the PA while failing to stop terror attacks on Isrlaei civilians.
1996: Hamas goes crazy and blows up civilians all over Jerusalem
2000: Camp David fails as Arafat walks away for god offr for Barak and the 2nd intifada started. Arafat releases his pit bulls
2004: Arafat dies.

Over 11 years Israel's economy experienced significant growth nd absorption into the global economy, The The Palestinian leadership excels in the creation of rubble.
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Post by TerryTeo » Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:48 pm

So Rainman, no resolution of the core issues 19yrs after signing an agreement intended to resolve them and you're claiming progress and movement. Hardly. With Israel warning that Iran will soon go nuclear, with militants operating on Israels southern border, with Hezbollah stronger than ever on Israels northern border and with international sympathy for Israel on the wane, you somehow see this as progress. I guess it depends on what your focus and priorities are, according to your last post its all about money. Great way to perpetuate a stereotype.

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Post by polardude1 » Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:58 pm

you're claiming progress

IO claimed progress? Where

Hezbollah stronger

isn;t that the name of a "pragmatic" political party in Lebanon

international sympathy for Israel

when was there ever international sympathy

Great way to perpetuate a stereotype.
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Post by TerryTeo » Tue Sep 04, 2012 1:29 am

Make up your mind. You now appear to acknowledge that there has been virtually no progress in the last 19yrs, but at the same time you're trying to argue that 11yrs is a long time in this conflict.

Remember, the drugs, the slow movement, the whole "are you kidding" episode a few posts back!

And check your own post below for what I think of Hezbollah. I recall saying that Hezbollah was riddled with extremists and extreme ideology, you even requoted me here. As you were wrong when claiming that I called Hamas moderate, you will find that you are also wrong in suggesting I called Hezbollah pragmatic. All you have in your small bag of tricks is a hole where your morals fell out.

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Post by polardude1 » Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:27 am

Make up your mind. You now appear to acknowledge that there has been virtually no progress in the last 19yrs, but at the same time you're trying to argue that 11yrs is a long time in this conflict.[

You love playing the spin game by moving the bar. 19 years of no progress in the conflict does not mean that nothing has changed on the chess board. Prety strange spin but it only shows signs that you are a bad troll

I recall saying that Hezbollah was riddled with extremists and extreme ideology, you even requoted me here. As you were wrong when claiming that I called Hamas moderate, you will find that you are also wrong in suggesting I called Hezbollah pragmatic. All you have in your small bag of tricks is a hole where your morals fell out.

Lies by you on both accounts.

I guess it is tie to allow you and the faux Israeli to play with each other. So have a great time on the I P board. You 2 deserve each over. Perhaps Korgy will join in. The drip is always good fun.
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Post by TerryTeo » Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:08 am

Rainman wrote: IO claimed progress?


You are the only person I have ever come across that can misspell a one letter word, so congratulations on your crowning achievement.


The irony of you calling me a liar is your acknowledgement a few posts back that you had lied throughout the majority of this thread.

Rainman wrote:
Why are you still lying?


Ok I concede..



The amusing thing about this thread is that you accepted my invitation for a lynching and got lynched. You're just too easy Rainman, its almost not even fun.

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Post by polardude1 » Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:55 am

Even using the term "lynching" is wrong.Well the perps are are facing jail lime, but that probably is not enough for you. You really are a sad sack.
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Post by TerryTeo » Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:18 pm

Rainman wrote:

Good luck to the Israeli police asked to prosecute those who many in Israel sympathise with and support.

no ugh needed. They have the skill and motivation to see out the perps...

I do very much the Israeli police catch the perps, because Israel has a civil society.


The inevitable conclusion, where a blind eye is turned to some terrorism. Skill? Motivation? Civility?
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-d ... m-1.492307


Case dropped against Israeli teen suspected of firebombing Palestinian taxi


Jerusalem District Attorney decides to close the case due to 'lack of evidence', even though the 13-year-old suspect's DNA was found in a forensic sweep at the scene of the crime.


The Jerusalem District Attorney has decided to close one of themost severe cases of violence ever carried out by an Israeli settler against a Palestinian, citing lack of evidence with regard to the suspect in question. The District Attorney's decision was made despite forensic evidence having been documented at the scene of the crime.The suspect in the case is a 13-year-old boy who allegedly hurled a firebomb at a Palestinian taxi last August, near the Bat Ayin settlement and the al-Arub refugee camp in the West Bank.The cab caught fire, leaving its passengers – six members of a single family – seriously wounded.The suspect's DNA was found on a glove found at the scene of the crime.The case was transferred to the District Attorney in September, and after months of foot-dragging, was closed...

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Post by polardude1 » Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:08 am

wow! they found his glove.

60,000 dead in Syria. Hundreds killed every day.
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Post by TerryTeo » Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:25 am

Yes Rainman it is a tragedy what is happening in Syria, but it doesn't change what happened in these attacks. You claimed that because Israel is a civil society they would catch those responsible. That theory crashed, so its time to shift the focus to Syria, again.

Well done. Next time you gripe about a terrorist attack in Israel I'll remind you that the death toll in Syria is far greater.

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Post by polardude1 » Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:09 pm

You cal it a tragedy. You sound lie the fuckig Tturks who deny the Armenian genocde. They called it a tragedy. It's an atrocity.

So tell us about a glove the fond there. Does e glove have residue from the Molotov cocktail.

And yes Israel is a far more civil society than it's neighbors... far more.
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Post by Israeli » Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:29 pm

polardude1 wrote: You sound lie the fuckig Tturks who deny the Armenian genocde.


So do you American , keep on denying ...........


According to Yesh Din's annual datasheet summarizing its monitoring monitoring hundreds of investigations by the SJ (Samaria and Judea) police district into crimes committed against Palestinians, the police fail to investigate ideological crimes committed by Israelis against Palestinians. The data shos that 91% of investigations into crimes committed by Israelis against Palestinians and their property are closed without indictments being served and 84% of the investigation files are closed because of the investigators' failure to locate suspects and evidence.

The findings reveal that out of 781 investigations conducted by the SJ police district (from 2005 to March 2012), following complaints by Palestinian civilians in the West Bank of crimes committed by Israeli civilians against them and their property, less than 9% resulted in indictments being served. The vast majority of investigation files – more than 84% – were closed due to circumstances that indicate a failure of the investigation: most, following police failure to locate the criminals or collect sufficient evidence for prosecution, and some due to the loss of complaints and the apparently unjustified closure of investigation files on grounds of "lack of criminal culpability."

The failure rate is particularly high in the investigation of property crimes (such as arson, damage to property or crops, damage to trees, theft of agricultural produce etc.). Indictments were served in less than 3% of these cases. 95% of these files were closed in circumstances that indicate investigative failure.


Yesh Din explains that the findings mean the State of Israel is failing to meets its obligation to maintain an effective law enforcement system upon Israeli civilians who commit ideological crimes – some very serious – against Palestinian civilians in areas subject to its military occupation.

According to Ziv Stahl of Yesh Din's research department, "every month, Yesh Din volunteers collect the testimonies of dozens of Palestinian victims of violence, threats, damage to crops and property, invasion of their land and so on. These crimes are especially serious because they are ideologically motivated: their purpose is to drive the Palestinian residents away from their land or their homes, to intimidate or to influence the policy of the government of Israel. The data shows that the Israel Police continues to fail to identify the criminals and prosecute them."


Source : http://www.yesh-din.org/postview.asp?postid=205
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Post by TerryTeo » Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:26 am

The data shos that 91% of investigations into crimes committed by Israelis against Palestinians and their property are closed without indictments being served and 84% of the investigation files are closed because of the investigators' failure to locate suspects and evidence.


A blind eye.

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I'd have t think you have some sort if source.
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Post by Israeli » Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:26 pm

polardude1 wrote:I'd have t think you have some sort if source.


Can't write , can't read .... " A blind eye. " indeed Terry ... or a pea brain ???

The source has already been supplied American .... take your time and try again retard .
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Post by TerryTeo » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:48 am

FFS, are we gonna go through that stupid routine again. I remember the thread that went about 30 or 40 posts with Rainman barking for a link that had already been provided. I wonder how long its going to take him this time. What do you expect from a guy who somehow writes a sentence with two two letter words, both of which he fucks up.

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Post by Israeli » Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:22 am

TerryTeo wrote: What do you expect from a guy who somehow writes a sentence with two two letter words, both of which he fucks up.


Nada .

I've had it with this imbecile .... cant say I didnt try .

This is where we are heading towards Terry :
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 04,00.html

.... and when another intifada breaks out polardude will be amongst the first to cry foul ...without even thinking why .
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Poor Terror, he loves to cherry pick his causes.
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Post by TerryTeo » Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:30 am

Rainman I thought that even you would agree that catching terrorists was a good thing. Whats different about this case that you're less inclined to agree?

Any luck with your missing link yet?

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Post by polardude1 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:20 pm

Too bad al you really care about is scoring a few cheap points. Good luck with that
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Post by TerryTeo » Sat Jan 12, 2013 10:08 am

The next time a jew is lynched or their vehicle firebombed, I'll see what your reaction is to criticism of the acts being described as cheap point scoring.

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Post by polardude1 » Sat Jan 12, 2013 1:34 pm

Such faux concentre on your part.
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Post by TerryTeo » Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:55 pm

This is the thing about you and bigots like you. When a Palestinian is killed or harmed you don't believe they deserve any sympathy therefore you believe any sympathy shown is fake and motivated simply to portay Jews badly. It is your way of ensuring the Jews remain victims, even when they're not.

I see you've invented another new word, any luck with the link yet?

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Post by polardude1 » Sat Jan 12, 2013 10:00 pm

The only bigot here is you. Your Jew obsessed posts are so transparent. Your faux concerns are noted, Now run along and play in traffic.
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