Vacations for comfort, not adventure

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Post by BeatRaven » Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:19 pm

Prices in SEA have crept up -and most def. in the last couple of years.

There was a good thread on ThaiVisa about howChiang Mai costs more or less the same as Mississippi to live in for a western lifestyle.

We were all lucky to see the world young and cheap.

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Post by polardude1 » Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:23 pm

$140 per person per day or $ 3000 for the 2 of us, not including airfare
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Post by BeatRaven » Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:30 pm

Yeah, in Europe, we're usually up around $400 a day, with more days going over that than not.

Most of the world wasn't seeing Angkor Wat in their 20's. If you just thought about traveling north of 45, I can see how the ease of a cruise appeals.

Also, it's endlessly touted that you're making memories. Partic. when you're buying something. You'll never forget that great day buying that thing.

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Post by EMG » Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:43 pm

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Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:19 pm
Prices in SEA have crept up -and most def. in the last couple of years.

There was a good thread on ThaiVisa about howChiang Mai costs more or less the same as Mississippi to live in for a western lifestyle.
There's a never-ending cycle of posts on expat groups on FB with people asking how they can come to the Philippines and live their western lifestyle for like $800 per month. These people seem to be operating on decades old info and confusing province life for a comfortable city life.

Vietnam was still wonderfully inexpensive a couple months ago. $20 max on perfectly decent hotels. $10 a day for a motorbike. A few dollars per meal. Beer for a dollar and coffee for like 20 cents.

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Post by BeatRaven » Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:19 pm

You need $2-3,000 a month in SEA, assuming no paid GF which is another grand, if you can rein it in. If you're older, you need another $500 for health insurance.

You'd def want to be more $3000 than $2000. That would be in an Issan Village and drinking hootch with a real uggo. You could be drinking moonshine in Mississippi with someone just as ugly for similar dollars. Give the white girl some. $3K in Mississippi and you're a home owner with Medicaid backing you up.

Lots of $600 a month Chiang Mai Youtube. they say pad thai is still 50 baht.

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Post by EMG » Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:47 pm

You can do fairly well here off $2k a month. The plummet of the peso value over the last year and a half help a lot.

Some expats seem to scrounge by on ~$1,300 but they're not living very well. They're just existing.

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Post by Electrolyte » Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:03 pm

Sounds like a good inexpensive cruise strategy would be to bring a good book, relax, don't drink, and don't go on excursions. Let all the suckers subsidize your vacation.

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Post by 5waldos » Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:04 pm

Excellent plan but I am a sucker for the occasional umbrella drink. You can usually bring some wine and if drinking it outside a restaurant no charge. Depends on line.

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Post by DCComic » Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:48 pm

Electrolyte wrote:
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Sounds like a good inexpensive cruise strategy would be to bring a good book, relax, don't drink, and don't go on excursions.
I don't need a cruise to do that.
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Post by avalon_ » Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:02 am

Who here has ever been part of a conga line and under what circumstances?
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Post by ManchVegas » Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:51 am

We were that obxoious loud family that had pool parties with loud music blasting and a conga line going around the house. The Carter's and the Ryan's always called the police on us because they were fuckin' dinks. Granted it was midnight but just close your fucking windows for chrissakes!
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Post by Electrolyte » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:17 pm

DCComic wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:48 pm
I don't need a cruise to do that.
Sure. Just put a lawn chair out on your drive way. It’ll be the same.

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Post by DCComic » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:22 pm

If only there was some other option besides nickle and diming on a cruise or staying home, huh?
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Post by 5waldos » Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:06 pm

Electrolyte wrote:
DCComic wrote:
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I don't need a cruise to do that.
Sure. Just put a lawn chair out on your drive way. It’ll be the same.
The waves and salt air on my driveway are a bit lacking

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Post by EMG » Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:12 pm

I can go sit on a beach and read a book for free though.

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Post by ManchVegas » Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:06 pm

I remember every fucking thing being an upcharge on Royal Carribean.
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Post by twodogs » Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:32 pm

5waldos wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:06 pm
The waves and salt air on my driveway are a bit lacking
That is why I like sea days. Last fall off the west coast of Mexico we watched a smurf bloom being attacked by turtles from below and gulls from above. It went on for hours, must have killed hundreds if not thousands.

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Post by polardude1 » Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:40 pm

The clsest I cam to doing a cruse was the 4 day Navimag ferry from Puerto Natales to Puerto Montt, Chile. We were ducking in and out of fjords. It was a low class cruse for backpackers but the journey was terrific.
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Post by twodogs » Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:30 pm

Alaska and BC ferries are like that too. You can pitch tents on the Alaskan ones, just make sure you bring duct tape. Fond memories.
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Post by 5waldos » Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:48 pm

EMG wrote:I can go sit on a beach and read a book for free though.
Some of us are no longer that lucky and sometimes I want to scream at you and say Stop Rubbing It In!!!! Image

Did the jealousy show through?

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Post by Moethebartender » Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:19 pm

EMG wrote:
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I can go sit on a beach and read a book for free though.
Yes, but you'd need an umbrella, some high ground and probably a flashlight right about now though, right?
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Post by EMG » Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:30 pm

5waldos wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:48 pm
EMG wrote:I can go sit on a beach and read a book for free though.
Some of us are no longer that lucky and sometimes I want to scream at you and say Stop Rubbing It In!!!! Image

Did the jealousy show through?
Fair enough. Even in Texas it was only a 4 hour drive to the beach for me. The quality of the beach was not as great though.
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I can go sit on a beach and read a book for free though.
Yes, but you'd need an umbrella, some high ground and probably a flashlight right about now though, right?
Hah. Often when it's rainy and flooding in Manila the southern provinces are sunny and warm. Would depend on the beach I pick.

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Post by Moethebartender » Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:35 pm

Heh. You bastard.

A buddy of mine who served there as a Marine is trying to talk me in to hitting the Philippines in April. Don't know if I can get enough time off, but I'd love to check it out.
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Post by EMG » Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:04 am

That would be rad. Jan-March tends to be a bit better than April. April gets hot. But not so bad if you're spending all the time at the beach or in the highlands.

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Post by mad hatter » Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:31 am

phil air are doing direct AKL to MNL now, id love to get over there for an explore. maybe next year.
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Post by EMG » Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:33 am

Watch for when they do promo fares. All the PH airlines do them occasionally. I've found some crazy deals like $45 round trip Manila to Tokyo.

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Post by 5waldos » Sat Jul 28, 2018 2:22 am

EMG- you realize I was being jealous not serious. Just want to be sure.

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Post by EMG » Sat Jul 28, 2018 2:37 am

Hah, yes I did.

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Post by BulletPark » Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:02 am

I do not think I have ever traveled anywhere for adventure.

On the other hand, although I love them and use them frequently as meeting places, I seldom stay at hotels. One of the (very very very few) good things about being related to my family is having relations with accommodations in most major cities in the US and Europe.

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Post by 5waldos » Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:53 pm

Most of my travel has been for adventure if you are considering the alternative to be travel for relaxation or visiting people. Work travel is something else again and only is an issue if you take extra time- I usually was able to take at least an extra week and sometimes longer.

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Post by BeatRaven » Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:39 pm

Pedal tavern -I see some strong potential candidates right in this thread:

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Post by avalon_ » Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:05 am

They have that in San Diego.

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Post by twodogs » Sun Jul 29, 2018 2:59 am

And Todos Santos.
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They urge single travelers to join a tour to make friends.

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Post by Electrolyte » Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:58 am

DCComic wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:22 pm
If only there was some other option besides nickle and diming on a cruise or staying home, huh?
Ah. So they suckered you on the idea that if you don't pay $120 for 90 seconds on a zipline or a cattle ride to a scruffy beach you're a cheapskate.

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Post by DCComic » Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:02 pm

Electrolyte wrote:
Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:58 am
DCComic wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:22 pm
If only there was some other option besides nickle and diming on a cruise or staying home, huh?
Ah. So they suckered you on the idea that if you don't pay $120 for 90 seconds on a zipline or a cattle ride to a scruffy beach you're a cheapskate.

Deductive reasoning 101.
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Post by ManchVegas » Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:54 pm

The last cruise I went on I didn't pay any up charges. I had no problem just staying on the ship and eating the free food options.

I even managed to smuggle free booze on board in the Poland Springs water bottles I took with me. You get the squirt bottles and carry it around like it's water and get an OJ and squirt, squirt, squirt!
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Post by 5waldos » Sun Jul 29, 2018 2:34 pm

Why comparing prices is difficult. Everything included versus base price plus extra for everything.

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Post by everso » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:02 pm

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Camping only if there are dangerous wild animals in the area. Otherwise I’d rather sleep in a bed.
When I was 15, my parents took me and my eight siblings from Michigan to Yellowstone on a three week camping trip. Although we stayed in cabins in Yellowstone it was sleeping in tents for two weeks. Other times we would go on shorter trips, such as to Mammoth Cave or the Upper Peninsula. Mostly we stayed in tents. Two of my brothers and I had to set up the canopy tent over the picnic table and our tent, then we could explore.
I can still set up a tent quickly.
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Post by ManchVegas » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:21 am

I can't get over the fact they drive like fucking maniacs even on the back roads in Wales. They'll go like 55 MPH on these tiny country lanes.

It's like "Fuck you pal! You're going way to fast!"

My Brit friends where having a good laugh at me with that one.

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Post by pezworld » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:10 pm

I'm not a cruiser, probably based on my one and only California/Baja cruise in the mid 90s - the only port was Ensenada, and we had the cheapest type of room. Felt buried. And I mixed alcohol that first night - probably the last time I got sick off booze. Other friends got sick off the street taco salsa in Ensenada. And, ehs gets motion sickness, so he probably wouldn't be too keen either.

But I feel like our upcoming Phuket trip will be a bit like cruising. 13 or so people in a 7 bedroom/7 bath "villa" 1.5k from the beach. Own pool, maid at our beck and call - and for maybe $12/pp extra she'll cook us a fabulous Thai BBQ. We can create our own excursions by hiring a van/driver for a full or half day. Maid makes the phone calls. I bought a great spinner bag just yesterday in anticipation. We just have to figure out the best place to buy my sister her wine.

On the flip side, our annual Catalina Island camping trip is next weekend. Tents, families with kids, swimming, dirt. Right on the water. "Luxury" port-a-potty and running water too. It's actually not cheap.
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Post by micvan » Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:37 am

Dc I hate being herded. With groups of xx.

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