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Post by Chip_Oatley » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:55 pm

May be flying to Nairobi soon (work). Trying to determine if I need malaria meds (ugh) and a new YF vacc--I had one about 10 years ago. I have looked at CDC's info. Seems that malaria is endemic in Nairobi. In practice, though, I want to know what people there for about 2 weeks have done.

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Re: Kenya

Post by 2wilzgood » Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:05 pm

Larium is a bad trip, man.
Don't eat the bad Larium.

Also, don't stay at The Iqbal.

And don't stay at The Iqbal when suffering malaria.

Been there, done that, thought I'd die.
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Re: Kenya

Post by 5waldos » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:17 pm

Never had trouble with any malaria meds.

Last I read on YF WHO was deciding that once in a lifetime was good. But don’t know that many countries have caught up with that.

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Re: Kenya

Post by Chip_Oatley » Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:47 am

Kenya looks at whether you've just come from a YF-endemic country, so I think I can skip it.

It just expired in January, but I would rather not put that in my body again.

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Re: Kenya

Post by Moethebartender » Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:48 am

Did you suffer any side effects?
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Re: Kenya

Post by Chip_Oatley » Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:10 am

Moethebartender wrote:
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Did you suffer any side effects?
I had the Yellow Fever shot at the same time as vaccs for typhoid and HepA, so I can't say what knocked me down.

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Re: Kenya

Post by Steve_in_Exile » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:14 am

Don't take whatever 2Wilz took.

I kind of liked the Iqbal. There were worse places, that's for sure.

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Re: Kenya

Post by Homerj » Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:33 pm

Way back in my clown pants days I decided that getting malaria would be better than the side effects that I was having from the Larium.
Besides whenever there is an outbreak it is all over the news on tv and radio even in the most 3rd world of places, especially in a big city like Nairobi .
So its up to you.
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Post by Stan In Maryland » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:54 pm

Of course there is the woman I know who had a last minute business trip to Africa (don't remember where) and thought I don't have time to get the srcip and it is just going to be a coupe of days. Got malaria and almost died due to complications.
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Re: Kenya

Post by Chip_Oatley » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:44 pm

Yikes.

If doxy works, I'll take that.

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Post by Stan In Maryland » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:29 pm

I would take something. This is a really rare occurrence but it shows it can still be deadly.
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Re: Kenya

Post by Moethebartender » Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:11 pm

Chip_Oatley wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:10 am
Moethebartender wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:48 am
Did you suffer any side effects?
I had the Yellow Fever shot at the same time as vaccs for typhoid and HepA, so I can't say what knocked me down.
Thanks, I was curious because I was supposed to get that jab for the Peruvian Amazon, but I didn't and they never checked. I'm considering a few other destinations that also allegedly require it...

I've got to believe that you can do better than larium for malaria these days; that shit wasn't even recommended a decade ago.
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Post by 2wilzgood » Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:20 pm

You could always do better than Larium.
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Post by Bastet » Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:58 pm

I just had the new YF jab. Can’t get back into the country without it if you go to Peru. The new one is for life so now I’m covered for that and Hep A. Go to a travel doctor - you may already have had that one.

But I worry about Lariam. A friend of mine took it and the psychosis was bad enough that she had to cut her trip short. 10 years later she told me she still saw things in shadows of the corner of her eye. She’d learned that they weren’t real and ignored them but she still saw them.

I googled it whilst writing my reply.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/theconv ... osis-59928

“... “induce psychiatric symptoms such as anxiety disorders, paranoia, depression, hallucinations and psychosis”. It also stated that these symptoms should be considered the first signs of more serious problems.

In most cases, for holiday or business travel, mefloquine is now considered a drug of last resort, only to be used when the other alternatives such as chloroquine, proguanil and doxycycline or a combination of them would be ineffective in an area where mosquitoes have developed resistance.

Mefloquine must not be used for malaria prevention in patients with active, or a history of, psychiatric disturbances such as depression, anxiety or schizophrenia.”

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Re: Kenya

Post by Chip_Oatley » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:18 am

I had my Lariam hell trip back in the mid-90s. Never again.

I can get doxy. Come to think of it, though, I felt like I was getting malarial symptoms when on doxy a couple of years ago. Now that my internal body temp regulator is starting to act up, I won't know whether it's peri-menopause symptoms, drug side effects, or malaria. #allthree

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Re: Kenya

Post by Chip_Oatley » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:20 am

Bastet wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:58 pm
I just had the new YF jab. Can’t get back into the country without it if you go to Peru. The new one is for life so now I’m covered for that and Hep A. Go to a travel doctor - you may already have had that one.
May have had which one--are you referring to Hep A or YF?

I'm covered for Hep A. I need Hep B though.

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Post by Bastet » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:33 am

YF. My doctor said that the ‘new’ jab is for life and came around 10 years ago. So you might have had that one. I last had it in 2004 which was too long ago. But now I’m set for life.

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Post by Bastet » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:36 am

The more I read about Lariam I realise I probably can’t take it. On top of wha to already posted, from the CDC website:

“In addition, people with seizure disorders (epilepsy) and certain heart conditions (irregular heartbeat and conduction problems) should not take mefloquine.”

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Post by Scrubb » Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:44 am

I took Doxy several times, including when I went to Kenya. The side effects that are known is a sensitivity to sun (burn easily), and some people have stomach issues. nothing that would feel like malaria symptoms. The main disadvantage is the need to take it for a full month after leaving the malaria zone.

I've been taking malarone the past several trips - you only have to start it the day before arriving in the malaria zone, and for a week after you leave, and it has very few or no side effects. I've always felt completely normal on it. It's expensive if your insurance doesn't cover it, though.
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Post by Bastet » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:07 am

Scrubb wrote:I took Doxy several times, including when I went to Kenya. The side effects that are known is a sensitivity to sun (burn easily), and some people have stomach issues. nothing that would feel like malaria symptoms. The main disadvantage is the need to take it for a full month after leaving the malaria zone.

I've been taking malarone the past several trips - you only have to start it the day before arriving in the malaria zone, and for a week after you leave, and it has very few or no side effects. I've always felt completely normal on it. It's expensive if your insurance doesn't cover it, though.
Husband took Dox in Peru and I took Malarone. Neither one of us had any side effects.

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Post by strife » Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:26 pm

I took doxycycline in Indonesia. It made me really photosensitive and gave me nightmares, so I quit. Went to Kenya (Nairobi and Mombasa area) at the end of 2016, didn't take anything. I didn't notice mosquitos in Nairobi.
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Re: Kenya

Post by Chip_Oatley » Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:31 pm

I'll obtain Malarone

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Re: Kenya

Post by Boinkity_Boink » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:29 am

Larium I believe is easier than malarone in every single way except that it has the hallucinatory side effects. But other than that it's advantages are you take it 1x per week instead of every week, you can start it a few days before the trip instead of a couple weeks before, and a couple of others I don't remember. My family took it the first couple times we came to this area, no issues.

If you're going to be staying at a nice hotel with AC and working all day in an office, you might consider skipping the drugs.

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Re: Kenya

Post by Boinkity_Boink » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:41 am

Just read the rest of the posts. If you had a bad experience with Larium once, then yeah, take something else if your going to partake.

I try to improve my chances of survival by making sure I don't get any mosquito bites. Means socks and long pants/shirt at dawn and dusk. Sleep under the net. And most importantly, look both ways before crossing the street.

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Post by Chip_Oatley » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:00 pm

I expect to be in A/C in a nice hotel most of the time, but if I do get some downtime, I would like to get out and about.

You don't have to take Malarone ahead of time--just one day. I think you're thinking of doxy and taking that for a month after.

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Post by strife » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:26 pm

Chip_Oatley wrote:
Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:00 pm
I expect to be in A/C in a nice hotel most of the time, but if I do get some downtime, I would like to get out and about.

You don't have to take Malarone ahead of time--just one day. I think you're thinking of doxy and taking that for a month after.
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Post by Steve_in_Exile » Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:28 am

Don't listen to Felix, doesn't know shit. I would recommend either the New Kenya Lodge on River Road, or the Iqbal on Latema Road.

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Re: Kenya

Post by Chip_Oatley » Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:23 am

I'm not on vacation.

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Post by Steve_in_Exile » Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:55 am

I got my Malarone today for my upcoming trip. I was last in Nairobi about 30 years ago--should be a trip to see how it's changed after all these years.

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Post by steveogolf » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:24 pm

Don't be stupid. Do the malaria pills and do the Yellow Fever injection too.
Better safe then sorry, and it will also lower the stress level that you may otherwise feel if you don't do the pills and injection.
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Re: Kenya

Post by strife » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:29 am

Steve_in_Exile wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:55 am
I got my Malarone today for my upcoming trip. I was last in Nairobi about 30 years ago--should be a trip to see how it's changed after all these years.
I walked all around downtown Nairobi a few times, at the end of 2016. It never felt menacing or nasty, although we did get a lot of attention. Johannesburg is menacing. Rio de Janeiro is often menacing. Nairobi isn't. It was actually more developed than I expected, with a very visible presence of international organizations.
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Re: Kenya

Post by Steve_in_Exile » Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:49 am

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I walked all around downtown Nairobi a few times, at the end of 2016. It never felt menacing or nasty, although we did get a lot of attention. Johannesburg is menacing. Rio de Janeiro is often menacing. Nairobi isn't. It was actually more developed than I expected, with a very visible presence of international organizations.
I know Nairobi really well, as I spent quite a bit of time there, but from 30 years ago. I imagine Kenya has changed quite a bit since I was last there. For one thing, it has roughly twice as many people now as then. I'm looking forward to having a look around Nairobi, should be interesting.
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Do the malaria pills and do the Yellow Fever injection too
My Malarone pills are ready to go. I can't get a yellow fever vaccination because I have a compromised immune system from cancer treatment and can't have live vaccines. I have a "letter of exemption", and hope that gets me through borders without too much hassle. I have a yellow fever vaccination and international vaccination cert from 30 years ago, and it's a lifetime vaccination, but I can't fucking find my old card.

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Post by Chip_Oatley » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:06 am

The vacc from 30 years ago would not be the one now considered lifetime, but you should be fine with the letter of exemption.

I spent $ on Malarone and everyone else meeting there from the US said they never bother unless going on safari or to other parts of the country.

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Re: Kenya

Post by Steve_in_Exile » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:26 pm

I will spend two days trapping "east african mole rats" on an organic veggie farm and coffee plantation just north of Nairobi. That should be fun.

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Post by Chip_Oatley » Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:24 pm

Neat. Sounds like fun.

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