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Post by misanthrope » Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:25 am

I've never been. I'm thinking of taking my kids to see my parents (coming from NY) in June or so because want something different, but I just don't see a viable alternative. I'd love to see Mexico City, but I don't think that Mom and Dad want that kind of bustle. What about the Yucatan with Mayan ruins, beaches and diving? Are we going to get our heads cut off and displayed on pikes? We're looking at about 2 weeks or so - 3 kids, youngest is 6.

Any ideas?

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Post by Lost Soul » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:23 am

It's still not a nice place.

Here is your government at work. https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/mexico-travel-warning.html
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Post by Bill Barilko » Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:22 pm

Lost Soul wrote:It's still not a nice place....

Yes the sad fact is that all Mexicans wake up only to crawl under their beds thereto remain until bedtime because Alaskan hermits and the US gubmint say it's dangerous.
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Post by VinnyD » Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:44 pm

Lost Soul wrote:It's still not a nice place.

Here is your government at work. https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/mexico-travel-warning.html

No advisory in effect for Mexico City or Yucatán, and the one for Quintana Roo seems pretty mild.

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Post by dragon » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:27 pm

I think the Yucatán would be very nice for you. But there are zillions of nice places. I just came back (to Guadalajara) from Guanajuato. Guanajuato is super cool and beautiful. It depends what you're after.
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Re: Mexico

Post by Lost Soul » Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:37 pm

Bill Barilko wrote:
Lost Soul wrote:It's still not a nice place....

Yes the sad fact is that all Mexicans wake up only to crawl under their beds thereto remain until bedtime because Alaskan hermits and the US gubmint say it's dangerous.

It is dangerous if you go to the wrong parts of the country, or even the wrong parts of some cities.

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Lost Soul wrote:It's still not a nice place.

Here is your government at work. https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/mexico-travel-warning.html

No advisory in effect for Mexico City or Yucatán, and the one for Quintana Roo seems pretty mild.

I assume misanthrope can read and decide where not to go on his own.
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Post by Bill Barilko » Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:40 pm

Lost Soul wrote:I assume misanthrope can read and decide where not to go on his own.

Do I detect a major change of attitude on the part of the Hermit?
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Re: Mexico

Post by Lost Soul » Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:02 pm

No, Mazatlán Man.

As you should know, since I schooled you about Mazatlán, I've long known about this link.

It is the perfect starting point response to a very general question aboot traveling in Mexico.
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Re: Mexico

Post by misanthrope » Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:03 pm

Lost Soul wrote:It's still not a nice place.

Here is your government at work. https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/mexico-travel-warning.html


There is an undeniable bias against Mexico in the current administration. I just want to know the truth. When surfers from California tell me to stay away for a while, I heed that kind of advice. Has anyone been there recently?

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Post by section8 » Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:19 pm

Two weeks flying in/out of Cancun would be an easy and fun trip. That area has incredible beaches, some of the best diving in the Caribbean (Chinchorro Banks) and ruins all over. A friend took his kids there for 4 weeks doing exactly what you are thinking a few years ago. They rented a car and did a bit of camping but visited ruins with no tourists around.
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Re: Mexico

Post by Lost Soul » Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:15 pm

Scott Baio got shot at in his cab there about 10 years ago. There is a thread on that.

misanthrope wrote:
Lost Soul wrote:It's still not a nice place.

Here is your government at work. https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/mexico-travel-warning.html


There is an undeniable bias against Mexico in the current administration. I just want to know the truth. When surfers from California tell me to stay away for a while, I heed that kind of advice. Has anyone been there recently?

The current admin has nothing to do with it. The State Department was posting even worse stuff under the Sacred Maobama, until El Chapo got a handle on his rivals. That took about 50,000 murders though. And now that he's gone, it's heating up again.

The point is, Mexico isn't Mallorca or Miami Beach anymore. Plan accordingly and believe their warnings.
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Re: Mexico

Post by VinnyD » Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:24 pm

Lost Soul wrote:
Bill Barilko wrote:
Lost Soul wrote:It's still not a nice place....

Yes the sad fact is that all Mexicans wake up only to crawl under their beds thereto remain until bedtime because Alaskan hermits and the US gubmint say it's dangerous.

It is dangerous if you go to the wrong parts of the country, or even the wrong parts of some cities.

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VinnyD wrote:
Lost Soul wrote:It's still not a nice place.

Here is your government at work. https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/mexico-travel-warning.html

No advisory in effect for Mexico City or Yucatán, and the one for Quintana Roo seems pretty mild.

I assume misanthrope can read and decide where not to go on his own.

But not that he could find the State Department website.

OK.

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Re: Mexico

Post by Lost Soul » Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:37 pm

Are you criticizing me for posting the link, Vinny?

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Post by EMG » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:38 pm

Yucatan is great. I went there for I think 9 days total when my daughter was 5 or 6 years old.

We flew into Cancun, headed to Merida. Stayed in Merida for a while, rented a car and checked out Uxmal, as well as a number of smaller ruins, beach in Progreso. Then headed back towards Cancun stopping in Valladolid for a night or two, swam in cenotes, then finished in Isla Mujeres for a few days of beach time.

Great trip. I'd do it again.

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Post by Moethebartender » Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:43 pm

Yeah, good choice. All the stuff you mentioned wanting to do is easily accessible and of very good quality.

I'd ignore Lost Soul's yammering about El Chapo. I'm not sure if he realizes it or not, but the Sinaloa cartel isn't based in the Yucatan.

If you fly into Cancun, you can easily catch a relatively cheap and very comfortable bus down to Playa del Carmen (a bit more laid back; and while still touristy, it isn't to the ridiculous extent that Cancun is). Lots of ruins in the area. Tulum is an easy to reach destination on the The Riviera Maya but there are plenty of others to choose from.

There have been reports recently of doctored booze at some of the high end resorts (and presumably, some of the less high end places). Link.

That being said, that part of Mexico isn't a particularly dangerous destination and there is a reason that it is so popular for tourism.
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Re: Mexico

Post by truenic » Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:06 pm

Mexico is like any place. Behave yourself, don't go where you shouldn't, and you'll be OK (in general).

I've been about 10 times and am going again over Xmas.

I agree with others that the Mayan Riviera is chock-a-block with activities. Lots of "styles" of travel in a relatively small area.

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Re: Mexico

Post by Lost Soul » Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:19 pm

My link has been a triggering event. Who knew?

if Moe had bothered to read it, he would have discovered that the Yucatan is safe for Gringos and their kids. Quintana Roo is a little more dicey.
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Post by Moethebartender » Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:36 pm

I don't click on links from here.

One would wonder why the fuck you'd be yammering about how dangerous Mexico is, and especially why you'd babble about El Chapo given that you apparently acknowledge the plans Misanthrope is making are not in any particular way dangerous.
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Re: Mexico

Post by Lost Soul » Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:00 pm

His plans were vague about where to go, and he admitted he knows nothing about the place.

My link is an awesome starting place for that. Especially when if you google 'Mexico travel', those little facts won't pop up amongst all the resort ads and plane deals.
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Post by Moethebartender » Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:04 pm

Misanthrope wrote:What about the Yucatan with Mayan ruins, beaches and diving?


Indeed, I am having a very hard time figuring out where he was thinking of going as well. It's like a complete mystery, man.
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Post by Lost Soul » Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:14 pm

If you had read my link, you also would have discerned a difference in safety between the Yucatan and Quintana Roo.

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Post by dragon » Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:27 pm

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Post by misanthrope » Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:36 pm

EMG wrote:Yucatan is great. I went there for I think 9 days total when my daughter was 5 or 6 years old.

We flew into Cancun, headed to Merida. Stayed in Merida for a while, rented a car and checked out Uxmal, as well as a number of smaller ruins, beach in Progreso. Then headed back towards Cancun stopping in Valladolid for a night or two, swam in cenotes, then finished in Isla Mujeres for a few days of beach time.

Great trip. I'd do it again.


That's exactly the trip that I'm looking to take.

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Post by misanthrope » Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:39 pm

Moethebartender wrote:Yeah, good choice. All the stuff you mentioned wanting to do is easily accessible and of very good quality.

I'd ignore Lost Soul's yammering about El Chapo. I'm not sure if he realizes it or not, but the Sinaloa cartel isn't based in the Yucatan.

If you fly into Cancun, you can easily catch a relatively cheap and very comfortable bus down to Playa del Carmen (a bit more laid back; and while still touristy, it isn't to the ridiculous extent that Cancun is). Lots of ruins in the area. Tulum is an easy to reach destination on the The Riviera Maya but there are plenty of others to choose from.

There have been reports recently of doctored booze at some of the high end resorts (and presumably, some of the less high end places). Link.

That being said, that part of Mexico isn't a particularly dangerous destination and there is a reason that it is so popular for tourism.


Thanks. I would like to visit Tulum. Booze is going to be whiskey coming from my Dad in the USA. Dragon's colonial town suggestion looks awesome, but a bit far afield. Maybe when I get to Mexico City some day.

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Re: Mexico

Post by dragon » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:23 pm

oh we did a similar trip to emg a long time (like 12 years) ago. one great town we went to was bekal, where they make straw hats. everyone there was amazingly nice.
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Post by EMG » Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:35 am

misanthrope wrote:
EMG wrote:Yucatan is great. I went there for I think 9 days total when my daughter was 5 or 6 years old.

We flew into Cancun, headed to Merida. Stayed in Merida for a while, rented a car and checked out Uxmal, as well as a number of smaller ruins, beach in Progreso. Then headed back towards Cancun stopping in Valladolid for a night or two, swam in cenotes, then finished in Isla Mujeres for a few days of beach time.

Great trip. I'd do it again.


That's exactly the trip that I'm looking to take.



It would be easy to stretch over 2 weeks. Valladolid is a bit of a not-much-to-see town. I wouldn't spend more than 2 or 3 days tops, but it's very worth a visit.

Merida is fantastic, and there's a lot nearby. The food is outstanding, there's a great museum, big cathedral, tons of ruins within 40-50km. Beaches. Etc. You could easily stay there for a week and explore around the area.

Isla Mujeres is beautiful, and also as cruise-ship central as you might imagine. If you can get over restaurants serving "Mexican with an Italian twist!" food and people with fanny packs asking how you can possibly understand Spanish, it's lovely.

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Post by NorthAmerican » Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:44 am

I'm surprised that dragon hasn't suggested the only place in Mexico where you'll see a large number of tapatios in their native environment. I was planning a trip to Houston to attend a family wedding, and the thought struck me that I had never been to Mexico; why not include it in my trip? So I took a week off from work, with my destination the place I mentioned above. There were no direct flights from Chicago; I had to exit the plane at Puerto Vallarta, go through Customs there, then reboard for the next leg of the flight.

My recollection is that in addition to its being home to tapatios in the wild, so to speak, it also is home to a UNESCO World Heritage Site. I don't know what the climate is like in June, but it was lovely in November that year, with poinsettias in bloom. Do hummingbirds pollinate poinsettias? How do you say hummingbird in Spanish?
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Post by section8 » Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:13 am

My memories of the Yucatan

Best beaches (developed): Tulum
Best beaches (undeveloped): Punta Allen
Best diving: Chinchorro Banks (access via Majahual or Xcalek)
Best diving that is easy to get to: Cozumel
Best place to camp at an alcoholic German lady's beachfront lot and do coke with Steve the coke head and his tranny girlfriend: Majahual
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Post by Lime_Pickle » Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:25 am

Wibble.

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Post by Scrubb » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:05 am

NA - colibri is one of my few Spanish words!

WE did the Cozumel --> Merida --> Uxmal --> Chichen Itza --> Tulum --> Playa del Carmen route about 3 years ago. No kids, but would have been absolutely fine. Easy travelling. Great scenery and ruins, gorgeous beaches.

Driving in Merida is extremely confusing, though. It's like a city of concentric circles with similar addresses in each quadrant - it was pure fluke that we ended up in the neighbourhood we were looking for.
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Post by Scrubb » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:14 am

Love the photos, L_P. Many are familiar!
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Post by NorthAmerican » Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:36 am

Scrubb wrote:NA - colibri is one of my few Spanish words!

You're one word ahead of me! I had to look it up. It had nothing to do with tapatios, just a sort of trick question that might mislead some posters, but I will try to remember colibri from now on.
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Post by polardude1 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:50 pm

What about the Yucatan with Mayan ruins

Try combining the Yucatan with Chiapas if tine permits. But Merida in the Yucatan would be very family friendly and you can do day trips from there
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misanthrope wrote:There is an undeniable bias against Mexico in the current administration. I just want to know the truth. When surfers from California tell me to stay away for a while, I heed that kind of advice. Has anyone been there recently?


I flew to Cabo for Halloween this year, took a bus to La Paz with a stop in Todos Santos for lunch, enjoyed Día de Muertos at Teatro de la Ciudad, had the beach at Tecolote pretty much to myself one morning before taking the ferry to Los Mochis, the train to Chihuahua and a bus to Juarez with zero issues.

I felt safer in Juarez than I did in El Paso.

Mrs. Twodogs and I were in Puerto Vallarta last weekend and it's business as usual.

I would be more concerned about the weather on the Yucatan in June than I would the bandits.
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Re: Mexico

Post by misanthrope » Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:53 am

Just booked for cancun. Tulum, Merida and the coast for us for 2 weeks.

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Post by cuchulainn » Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:09 am

Los mexicanos dicen esos pájaros chuparosas.
I was in Mexico City in April and I felt it was a safe city, although I was warned not to walk around the university neighborhood.
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by misanthrope » Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:53 am

Just booked for cancun. Tulum, Merida and the coast for us for 2 weeks

You'll like Merida. Take some of the back roads and you'll get a look at more traditional Mayan villages. Also swim in a few Cinotes
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Post by misanthrope » Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:29 pm

Will do. Also just booked for Israel in July.

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Post by Bill Barilko » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:50 am

One thing about Merida-not a great place to rent a car-all kinds of one way streets and it can be difficult to figure out-taxis are a better bet he'll take what seems like the long way but if you've established the price first it doesn't matter.
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Post by Lost Soul » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:57 am

cuchulainn wrote: Lost Soul is terrified of Mexico because they speak a language he cannot understand at all.
That and his racism make the danger sensors in his reptile brain flash.

Fascinating.

I was speaking Spanish in a Mexican school when your white bread parents were still trying to flee from the ghettos of Michigan.
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Just booked for cancun. Tulum, Merida and the coast for us for 2 weeks

You'll like Merida. Take some of the back roads and you'll get a look at more traditional Mayan villages. Also swim in a few Cinotes



Yeah, that was one cool part for me. I rented a car out of Merida and if you start driving around the Ruta Puuc you bump into these tiny Mayan villages where people are actually still speaking Mayan and the food is unlike most of the rest of Mexico. I pulled over at a lot of markets and tried out random stuff.

There's a couple of cool cenotes in Valladolid, which is roughly halfway between Cancun and Merida. Worth a stop.

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Post by strife » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:33 pm

Not much to add here, other than to reiterate getting your own vehicle and hitting Ruta Puuc. Yucatan Peninsula has long been the most isolated part of Mexico, and it shows in the regional accent and cuisine (cochinita pibil!). Merida is one of my favorite cities in Mexico, and a really relaxed place. Kids will love the cenotes scattered all over the peninsula.
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Post by polardude1 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:25 pm

Yucatan Peninsula has long been the most isolated part of Mexico

it's where I fell in love with Mexico, prompting 2 more return trips to Chiapas. Oaxaca, Puebla and Mexico City. i would gladly return for a 4th time
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Post by strife » Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:37 pm

I've flown into Cancun probably a dozen times. There used to be an early-morning Sun Country direct flight from Minneapolis. Arrive in Cancun just before 10am, airport bus to Playa del Carmen, decisión whether to sit tight there or continue another hour to Tulum.

PdC is really touristy, but tastefully so. It's a nice blend of Mexicans, North Americans, Euros, and the occasional Argentines and Brazilians; sort of the antithesis of the rampant Tracy varmintry of Cancun's Zona Hotelera. Tulum is a ramshackle crossroads town at the end of the Quintana Roo tourist strip. Parts of it have become lousy with the bearded Brooklyn douchetoboggan set, but the beach is big enough to avoid them.
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Post by polardude1 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:47 pm

Tulum is a ramshackle crossroads town at the end of the Quintana Roo tourist strip. Parts of it have become lousy with the bearded Brooklyn douchetoboggan set, but the beach is big enough to avoid them

beautiful beaches, but i stayed in some New Age type place that offered "Mayan massage" . It was disappointing, food was bland pseudo Mexican. I was disappointed I've heard good things about PDC
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Post by VinnyD » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:55 pm

Worth going to Cobá when you're in Tulum, if you are into ruins. Largely deserted unless things have changed.

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Worth going to Cobá when you're in Tulum

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Post by strife » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:48 pm

Cobá is a good site. You can still climb the pyramid there. It's far better than Tulum's ruins, which is a relatively minor site in a spectacular setting on a seaside cliff. The Yucatan Peninsula might be the most ruins-rich area in the world.
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Re: Mexico

Post by Wilster » Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:02 am

polardude1 wrote:
Worth going to Cobá when you're in Tulum

This true


strife wrote:Cobá is a good site. You can still climb the pyramid there. It's far better than Tulum's ruins, which is a relatively minor site in a spectacular setting on a seaside cliff. The Yucatan Peninsula might be the most ruins-rich area in the world.


Ha! Interesting, I was in Coba in '86 and it was pretty "rough" in it's refurb/restoration. But a place to go. Met a decent New Yorker/New Jersey guy who was taking Malaria prophylactics. I was like *shrug* really, whatever.

On the same trip, tripped into Merida; really like Merida! Have no idea what the place is like some 30 years later.
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Re: Mexico

Post by polardude1 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:26 pm

Chiapas has some epic Mayan ruinis. I visited Palenque, Tonina, Yaxchilan and Bonampak. Bonampakleft me with a lasting impression. It was shrouded in mist when I arrived in the AM and it still has an intact color mural inside one of the structures. Many of those murals have been removed and are displayed n the Anthropology Museum in Mexico City
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