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Post by Tortilla Slim » Tue Mar 17, 2015 7:48 pm

I have a friend who is planning to go and reached out to me for some tips. Unfortunately I fail as an Argentinian and haven't been there since I was like 7.

So let's say you're a married guy going with your wife with a reasonable budget and a week or two in Argentina. You're interested in seeing some stuff like beaches, maybe Iguazu Falls, possibly even a bit of Montevideo, a few days for Patagonia if that's not unreasonable.

What's a logical itinerary?

I'll give him the link to this thread.
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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Tue Mar 17, 2015 7:51 pm

Top Tip;
If he hires a car, tell him to see whether he can make any words (and years) from the registration plate.

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Post by Tortilla Slim » Tue Mar 17, 2015 7:54 pm

heh
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Post by Bill Barilko » Tue Mar 17, 2015 7:59 pm

It's a helluva long way down to Patagonia and winter is coming.....
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Post by leela » Tue Mar 17, 2015 7:59 pm

"reached out" to you?
I'm scared. Torts would never have said that. Who are you?
Pass the wine...

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Post by Klara » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:00 pm

He'll have to fly quite a bit, but he's got a decent budget, so that's great.
When is he going?

Fly directly to El Calafate or Ushuaia (or both), spend a few days there. Then fly to Bariloche, then to Mendoza. Then to Iguazu, and back to Buenos Aires. He should save at least 5 or 6 days for Buenos Aires, especially if he wants to see Punta del Este or even Montevideo.


Leela, I noticed that too. Shuddered a bit, I have to say.

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Post by Tortilla Slim » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:02 pm

leela wrote:"reached out" to you?
I'm scared. Torts would never have said that. Who are you?


Sorry, sometimes work talk spills out. I'm multi-tasking right now.

It's a summer (US summer) trip, so assume maybe around July.
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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:03 pm

Middle of winter, so Patagonia is out if it's just for a few days.

Isn't Argentina in the top ten largest countries in the world? (as a guess)

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:04 pm

And if it's like Rio in September, the beaches aren't going to be hot (and it's obviously a lot further south)
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Post by Klara » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:06 pm

It's a summer (US summer) trip, so assume maybe around July.

I loved Patagonia in July, but I suppose it's not everyone's cup of tea. Does he ski?
It's still beautiful, and I'd still fly down south for a few days if I were him.

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Post by Tortilla Slim » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:06 pm

Stephen_Dedalus wrote:Isn't Argentina in the top ten largest countries in the world? (as a guess)


Yeah, that's what he wants to know mostly. What can be covered in how much time since it's a big ass country.

I sent him the link to this thread so try to pretend we're respectable people.
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Post by Klara » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:08 pm

It is big, but it's fairly easy to fly everywhere.

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:09 pm

Dear friend of Scuba Steve

I'm guessing at first glance, you have picked the worst month to visit Argentina.

Leave the budgie smugglers at home.

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Post by NorthAmerican » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:23 pm

Some things to keep in mind:

1. There are very few flight connections between cities that don't require returning to Buenos Aires, so if you wanted to go to Iguazú Falls and to Mendoza you'd have to fly Buenos Aires-Iguazú-Buenos Aires-Mendoza. I haven't been down there in a dozen years, but I used Visite Argentina, a special pass that brought down the price of individual legs to around $100, a bargain when you consider some of the distances. You had to purchase the pass in conjunction with your overseas flight to and from Argentina.

2. The easiest way to get from the international airport (Pistarini, but usually referred to as Ezeiza for the suburb in which it's located) is to look for the kiosk of Manuel Tienda Leon after you've cleared customs. They run minibuses to and from the city as well as remises, private cars that operate the way limousine services do in the U.S.

3. Prices are very often shown with what we call the dollar sign, but $200 normally would mean 200 Argentine pesos; a price in dollars would usually show up as something like U$D200. Always look to see if the cost is quoted in pesos or dollars. When the two were the same value it didn't matter, but that is no longer true.

4. For travel to Uruguay, the simplest, cheapest, and closest option is Colonia del Sacramento, a World Heritage site directly across the Rio de La Plata from Buenos Aires. I think it might be 40 or 50 miles away (the river is very wide) but on a clear night you can see the lights of Colonia from the Buenos Aires waterfront. Montevideo is much farther along the river, takes longer and of course costs more. I just checked the Web site of Buquebus, the oldest of the companies offering trips, but despite clicking on the Union Jack I still get only Spanish, which may not help your friend.

Here are a couple of Web sites. The Tienda Leon site shows a price of $140 for transportation by bus from Ezeiza to the Aeroparque (Jorge Newbery, the in-dity airport where most internal flights connect). I assume that's a price in pesos. There is usually someone at their airport kiosk who speaks English. The Buquebus site, as I said above, doesn't show anything in English, but someone at their offices (they have one in the Recoleta neighborhood) may speak English.


Manuel Tienda Leon

Buquebus

With all that effort, I'm too tired to think of an itinerary, but when I'm recovered (and when the effects of my lunchtime wine wear off) I may come back and offer one.
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Post by Tortilla Slim » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:27 pm

Good stuff, as usual, NA. Thank you. I figured you'd have some helpful tips.
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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:31 pm

Actually, June (their mid-winter) looks like it would similar to an early spring day in the UK, which could be pleasant.
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Post by cowtown » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:34 pm

Three days for Iguazu (including travel, so 2 full days), 3 days Montevideo, whatever they want in Punta del Este, it’s a beach town so if the beach is out of season, skip…the rest in BA. Patagonia seems like too much with everything else for two weeks, may trade out Iguazu (but its really cool and easy to do)
The fun of BA is hanging out so you’d want 5 or 6 days to get in the grove there

United use to route to Montevideo after BA so I’d book straight through, after a week in Montevideo, get back on the plane and get off in BA, do it as all part of the same ticket
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Post by NorthAmerican » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:38 pm

I started by lengthy post before you mentioned the season when your friend will be traveling. If he is a skier, two resorts to consider would be Bariloche and Las Lenas (tilde over the n, which I can't do here), both more or less in the center of the country. I've heard that Ushuaia has good skiing, but that's way down at the end of the world; yes, that what they call it: El Fin Del Mundo, because it's the southernmost city in the world. The U.S. Olympic ski team trained at Las Lenas back in the late 80s or early 90s. The Argentine husband of a friend was the team physician.

Buenos Aires, of course. It's a city I love, but it's a humid city and it's going to be bone-chillingly damp in winter. There are too many things to mention, but get back to us on what they like and I may be able to think of something suitable.

Iguazu Falls, which should be nice even in winter because it's semi-tropical, and definitely Argentina's northwest -- Catamarca, Tucuman, Salta and Jujuy provinces. I doubt that temperatures will drop to freezing at that time of year, but a good sweater and warm jacket should suffice in case it gets chilly. "Chomba," by the way, or alternately "chompa," means sweater in Argentine Spanish and comes from the English jumper for pullover.
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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:40 pm

http://uk.soccerway.com/teams/argentina ... 7/matches/
River Plate have one home match on the 6th June

http://www.futbol24.com/team/Argentina/ ... /fixtures/
Boca Juniors have no June home dates.

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Post by Klara » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:41 pm

I'd still fly down to Ushuaia or El Calafate for a couple of days if I was on a decent budget. The scenery is spectacular in winter.

I agree about skipping Punta del Este. I didn't know he was going in July.

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Post by Tortilla Slim » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:45 pm

He just said "summer trip". I don't think he's picked dates yet.

NA- I told him to pay special attention to your posts.

SD- I told him not to read yours.
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Post by Klara » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:50 pm

Tortilla Slim wrote:NA- I told him to pay special attention to your posts.

FINE.
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Post by NorthAmerican » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:52 pm

Tortilla Slim wrote:Good stuff, as usual, NA. Thank you. I figured you'd have some helpful tips.
That's my trouble; so darn predictable! You're welcome.

I just saw Stephen_Dedalus's post. River has a beautiful stadium, El Monumental:

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The Boca Juniors play in an older, smaller stadium (La Bombonera, the candy box), but there was talk a few years ago of building a new stadium that would seat 75,000.

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:52 pm

Tortilla Slim wrote:SD- I told him not to read yours.


I'll have you know I didn't post a woman in a Argentinian coloured thong with the message 'You won't be seeing any of this'

That is restraint.

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:56 pm

oops...

For you, North American. I hope you don't have acute angina.
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Post by NorthAmerican » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:59 pm

There is NO BLACK on the Argentine flag! Take that off!
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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:01 pm

Perfect retort.

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Klara wrote:
Tortilla Slim wrote:NA- I told him to pay special attention to your posts.

FINE.
Bye.


Heh, yours too, of course.

I think my family in Argentina is a River team.
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Post by Klara » Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:11 pm

Too late.

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Post by Tortilla Slim » Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:13 pm

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Post by thepr0ss » Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:09 pm

Thanks for all the help!

I am the aforementioned traveler. So far my plans are probably ambitious but that's my tendency.

-I will usually start by finding all of the most recommended places to visit in a respective country.
-I'd then begin to plot them out on a map in Google maps similar to the snippets that I've included.
-I will gradually add to that list until I feel that I have covered all of the highlights and recommendations I get from folks I know or other travelers like some of yourselves.
-From there I begin to plot out a rough plan on what places to visit and in what order.

I like to consider it more of they've plan then an itinerary. The reason why is that we like to not have to follow a regimented schedule when we travel. In the last couple of years we have visited both Costa Rica in the Dominican Republic and used similar approaches. Long story short, have a couple of hot spots that we want to visit, rent a car, drive around, try to blend in as much is we can (considering I'm a tall whitey) see of the actual culture not the canned resort destinations where you're basically a prisoner in a five-star present.

Keep em coming with the tips. Warnings as well. I have a bunch of links for the destinations i wanted to share but the site says its too spammy for a new user. :P included link below of my fave destinations that you can see plotted on the attached map.

Destinations so far:
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Colonia del Sacramento Colonia
Punta del Diablo Rocha Department
Punta del Este Maldonado
Iguazu Falls - Iguazu National Park - Province of Misiones Litoral
Lavelle Street in Beunos Aires (i found this on Natgeo's site as an open air market??)
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Post by Moethebartender » Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:56 pm

SirDrinksaLot wrote:Actually, June (their mid-winter) looks like it would similar to an early spring day in the UK, which could be pleasant.


Yeah, you might get lucky. That's what I was thinking when I was down there about seven years ago. As it turned out, it was the first time they had snow accumulation in Buenos Aires in about a hundred years and I ended up wearing pretty much every bit of clothing I owned every time I went out. I would recommend packing something reasonably warm regardless, just in case. I'd lose the beach plans with only two weeks time as it's not going to be happening anyway.

A side trip over to Colonia del Sacramento is worthwhile. It was about an hour each way as I remember and it was pretty simple to do.

As I remember, distances were pretty vast between many places but the bus options looked promising in terms of comfort. Igauzu Falls was pretty remote from anything else (aside from the Esteros del Ibera, maybe - which looked pretty cool but didn't have much of a tourist infrastructure at the time and getting there and away seemed a bit of a hassle and dependent upon speaking Spanish better than I did).

I ended up skipping the overland trip down from Rio and flew instead. Figure I'd go back at some point to check out more of the country. I spent a week happily in Buenos Aires and could easily have spent more time there. There weren't many places there to burn pictures and shit, hopefully that's changed. It's been too long since I've been and I didn't travel widely when I was there, haven't followed the happenings or even the exchange rate, so that's probably all I've got. Hope he has a good time. The people were friendly, the food was excellent and the women were beautiful, so I'm sure he'll be alright.
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Post by Tortilla Slim » Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:07 pm

Good stuff. He said he tried to replied but it seems the mods are sleeping.

So there, I brought the first new poster in 29 and a half years. You're welcome.
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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:44 pm

Unless this is a crafty lay up for Felix.

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Post by flatfoot » Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:44 pm

I've only been to Patagonia to hike the Fitz Roy trail starting from El Chalten. Unfortunately on the day I was going to go to the spot where you can have a good view of the summit, the weather was terrible and you couldn't see anything 10 meters out. It's probably because it was already the end of summer when I went there, around Easter three years ago. Here's a picture from an unusually clear day on the trail.

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I also thought this sign was interesting, having a translation in Hebrew. It could obviously be because the trail is popular to Israelis, but I couldn't help but think they were being targeted because "some Jews" had been blamed for a massive fire in Torres del Paine on the Chilean side of Patagonia earlier that summer. It seems to say a lot more in Hebrew than it says in English and Spanish.

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After Fitzroy I went to Perito Moreno and did a glacier hike. Again, the weather wasn't so good. It snowed most of the time and I was only able to take pictures with my iPhone. This was just before we stepped on the glacier.

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Post by NorthAmerican » Wed Mar 18, 2015 12:33 am

No trip to Argentina will be complete unless you've eaten asado, a selection of grilled meats and sausages. All the videos I found with descriptions of what's going on are in Spanish, but here's one without any speaking parts that makes my mouth water. Note that the asador, the guy cutting up the meat, uses pincers or tongs to hold and turn the meat. Plenty of cooks down there refuse to use forks because they say making holes in the meat causes the juices and flavor to run out.


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Post by flatfoot » Wed Mar 18, 2015 1:10 am

I would have thought using tongs to turn the meat was a no-brainier, precisely for the reason the asadors say.

In Argentina I subsisted on empanadas, pizzas, and whatever this is. I think it's from a vegetarian restaurant in El Calafate, the city closest to El Chalten.

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Post by cummy » Wed Mar 18, 2015 1:54 am

2 things: meat and malbec.

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Post by NorthAmerican » Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:34 am

I think that any traveler will have Punta del Este mostly to himself in July because of the cold, but I could be wrong.

Lavalle (pronounced lah-VAH-shay in the local Spanish) is one of two pedestrian streets in Buenos Aires; the more famous one is Florida, which runs from the Plaza San Martín almost to the Plaza de Mayo. The "open air market" is most likely in the area around the Plaza Dorrego, where there's all kinds of stuff for sale on Sundays.

Here's a video of Florida Street made by a Brazilian tourist. You get a good view of some of the shops along the street, and eventually he enters the Galerias Pacifico, the largest and best of several shopping malls on the street:




And here's a video of the Plaza Dorrego, in the San Telmo neighborhood, the oldest part of the city ("el casco de Buenos Aires," the kernel of the city). On Sundays you'll see tons of "antiques" for sale, and tango dancing in the street:


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Post by NorthAmerican » Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:41 am

And here's the other pedestrian street, Lavalle. It seems more "working class" to me than Florida does. My recollection is that Florida and Lavalle intersect at some point, but I could be wrong.


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Post by Boinkity_Boink » Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:54 am

I've never been to South America, but Argentina strikes me as the kind of place that would be good for renting a car, particularly if you're going to be going to distance spread out across the country. Double particularly if you are 2 or more people. Driving into the big cities doesn't sound like much fun, but if you could get thee to a garage and just park it, then you could see the city without the car. My two pesos.

As for being a tall whitey, aren't there already a lot of tall whities in Argentina? Large stock of people of European descent, all stuffing themselves silly with beef.

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Post by Tortilla Slim » Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:00 am

Yeah, most of my family in Argentina is blonde and white. You'll only stick out when you speak I'd imagine.
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Post by Klara » Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:03 am

I'd say something but I won't coz no one cares.

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Post by Boinkity_Boink » Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:04 am

Isn't Madonna from Argentina?

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Post by Tortilla Slim » Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:08 am

Klara wrote:I'd say something but I won't coz no one cares.


Quit pouting.
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Post by Klara » Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:10 am

No.

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Re: Let's talk about Argentina

Post by Tortilla Slim » Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:12 am

Would it help if I told you the new guy is the FB friend of mine you used to have a crush on?
"I want you to slap me in the face with your big bean burrito, Taco" - Saheli (Read more here (NSFW) http://tinyurl.com/http-politicalstew-com)

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Re: Let's talk about Argentina

Post by Klara » Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:17 am

Damn. Is he?

*adjusts cleavage* Hey there, thepr0ss.

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Re: Let's talk about Argentina

Post by Tortilla Slim » Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:19 am

My work here is done.
"I want you to slap me in the face with your big bean burrito, Taco" - Saheli (Read more here (NSFW) http://tinyurl.com/http-politicalstew-com)

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