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Boinkity_Boink wrote:Isn't Madonna from Argentina?


You're confusing Madonna for Maradona.

Madonna is from Michigan, of Italian descent.

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Can you believe Madonna is two years older than Maradona? And they're the same height.

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Post by thepr0ss » Wed Mar 18, 2015 1:40 pm

YAY my post finally got approved! You guys are great. This is exactly what i was looking for. The Argentinian beef is high on my list and I make my own homemade chimichurri twice a month or so. I am excited to see some authentic chimichurri up close. I may even ask how to make it when i find the place i like the best there.

I will say my biggest gain from this so far is the weather callouts. I will have to think this through from a packing perspective. I typically try to stay as light as possible and with stops in Belize, Panama and Miami and plans to be a beach bum and SCUBA dive; the thought of packing a completely separate wardrobe for Argentina is a concern.

Thanks also to NorthAmerican for the videos of the markets. Thats high on my list because as i mentioned before taking in the culture is a top priority. We have found that people watching in these areas is a great place to achieve that.

I'm still looking for opinions about the ground travel, some are saying buses but others say cars in this thread. For those that recommend buses, is it because that is your preference, is it cost driven, perhaps concerns about acclimating to driving in foreign countries? Feedback about the "whys" is appreciated. Keep in mind i have driven in the Philippines, Costa Rica and in the Dominican Republic and both of which is populated cities as well as provincial areas so the craziness of horns, flashing lights, crossing the median and shit doesn't bother me. Some might even say its how i drive in Texas but i might deny that .. ;]

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Re: Let's talk about Argentina

Post by NorthAmerican » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:39 pm

About car rental in Argentina: I've never done it, but it used to be quite expensive; you also had to return the car to the location where you rented it. For long distances, buses are the way to go if you prefer not to fly or if your budget doesn't allow travel by air (which is the case for many Argentines).

More than 100 companies offer bus service from Buenos Aires to other cities in Argentina and to neighboring countries, with service out of the city's main terminal in the Retiro neighborhood (just a block or two from the city's main train station).

I've traveled by bus from Buenos Aires to Tucuman, in the northwest), from Tucuman to Iguazu, from Catamarca in the northwest down to Mendoza, then across the Andes to Santiago de Chile and back, and also made some shorter trips. The vast majority of the buses are clean and modern. Here's a photo of an Argentine cousin and me about to take a bus across the Aconquija mountains in the northwest, traveling from Tucuman to Catamarca.

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Post by Klara » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:47 pm

For those that recommend buses, is it because that is your preference, is it cost driven, perhaps concerns about acclimating to driving in foreign countries?

They have coche camas. It's like business class in bus travel. You can turn your seat into a bed, you get blankets and meals and unlimited coffee and juice and stuff. You can travel long distance by night and save time, but still have a good night's sleep. It's as awesome as travelling by bus gets. Not ridiculously expensie either.

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Post by NorthAmerican » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:54 pm

I just checked the Web sites of a couple of car rental companies, and it looks as if you still have to return a rental car to the place where you rented it (or at least in the same city). Here, for example, is a Buenos Aires company that offers a wide variety of cars for rent, any of which can be rented at Ezeiza airport, at the in-city Aeroparque Jorge Newbery, or at the company's offices, with the option of returning the car to any of those three locations. So it doesn't look as if you can rent a car in Buenos Aires and drop it off in Mendoza, for example. Is there and Argentine embassy or consulate near you? Is there a travel agent who's knowledgeable about Argentina? They may be able to give you better information than I can.

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thepr0ss wrote:Keep in mind i have driven in the Philippines


Drunk driving that dude's tricycle doesn't really count as "driving" kuya.
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Post by NorthAmerican » Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:01 pm

Klara mentioned the coche camas. Even the service on regular buses is better than bus service in many other countries. A typical trip will include stops at places along the way where you can have a meal and use the toilets, and some runs may have stewards aboard who will serve sandwiches and wine.
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Some final comments on driving in Argentina: When I went down there for the first time, the two branches of our family hadn't seen each other in about 75 years; my grandmother came to the United States from Russia but her brother emigrated to Argentina. A bunch of relatives came to Ezeiza to meet me, and there were two carloads of us driving into the city. I was sure I was going to die in a crash, because the cousin driving the car I was in seemed like the worst driver in the world, but I realized on later trips that's the way Argentines drive.

I mentioned the trip by bus across the Aconquija mountains. I've made that crossing a half-dozen times on different trips, because I've got relatives on both sides, but I only crossed by bus on my first trip. Otherwise it's been by car. You can see the road below. As scary as it is to me, two of my cousins regularly made that crossing driving gasoline trucks when they worked for Shell, and they never had an accident.

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One of my cousins had a show on a university radio station, and when I mentioned to one of the students there that I had just arrived in Tucuman from Catamarca, he asked if I had come by air. No, I said, my cousin and I had driven across the mountains. His eyes widened: "You crossed the Cuesta?" Yes, there are Argentines who are terrified by that crossing.
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Post by NorthAmerican » Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:37 pm

Here's a nice little video that shows "the Cuesta" -- La Cuesta del Portezuelo. The provincial capital of Catamarca province is in a valley, El Rodeo is up in the mountains. The maker of the video mixes some of the still images; the rocks at the beginning, the ones he's sitting on, and the white church are up at El Rodeo, the pink church is in the capital below. The song says that "looking down, it seems like a dream," but to me it's more like a nightmare. Beautiful landscape, but mountain roads are not my cup of tea (or my mate).


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Post by thepr0ss » Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:40 pm

This is the road we drove down from Puerto Plata to Santiago in Dominican Republic .. about 70% of it was paved. The rest was like a rock road on a mountain. For me the driving just seems to get you closer to things. If i sleep on a bus or veg out with my iPod on, i feel like i am missing the "in between" parts..
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Post by cowtown » Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:03 pm

Might be better now but I found the buses a bit scary as in crazy traffic, we’re going to crash scary…not India scary but don’t sit near the front

You’ll want to study an Argentina-cuts of meat chart or have one with you to figure it out, I recall something lomo being my go to and I ate a ton of them. They serve espresso with a twist of lemon and a sparkling water back, it forever changed the way I drink it

And their version of Spanish is fucked, my first trip, went with something that studied in Madrid and had a Castilian accent, my French and hotel-worker Spanish was more useful until he adjusted about 2 days in
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thepr0ss wrote:I will say my biggest gain from this so far is the weather callouts. I will have to think this through from a packing perspective. I typically try to stay as light as possible and with stops in Belize, Panama and Miami and plans to be a beach bum and SCUBA dive; the thought of packing a completely separate wardrobe for Argentina is a concern.


I wouldn't say you need a totally different wardrobe. I probably got about as unlucky as you can get in regard to the weather I had when I was there in July. It can be colder than you'd like though and I'd definitely either take or be prepared to buy a fairly substantial jacket.

thepr0ss wrote:I'm still looking for opinions about the ground travel, some are saying buses but others say cars in this thread. For those that recommend buses, is it because that is your preference, is it cost driven, perhaps concerns about acclimating to driving in foreign countries? Feedback about the "whys" is appreciated. Keep in mind i have driven in the Philippines, Costa Rica and in the Dominican Republic and both of which is populated cities as well as provincial areas so the craziness of horns, flashing lights, crossing the median and shit doesn't bother me. Some might even say its how i drive in Texas but i might deny that .. ;]

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There are a number of reasons I'd plan on bussing it and using other public transport. First and foremost - it's comfortable, you can travel at night while sleeping and it's cheap and it's also no hassle. Second, Buenos Aires itself is a sprawling city with chaotic traffic. There's a highway thats something like 14 lanes wide running through the city whose name escapes me at the moment. I don't know what the parking situation was like, but if I had to guess, it probably isn't great. You can get around easily and cheaply by subway or taxis (which were unexpensive, at least back then) in town. The people drive pretty maniacally. I'm not sure what the laws are and wouldn't like to deal with the potential repurcussions if I got in an accident, especially if it involved serious injuries. I'd expect that you'll need an international drives license at the minimum. Unless you've got plans to get well off the beaten path or to do a lot of late night travel, I can't see it being worth it to have a car. I get what you're saying though. If money isn't a big deal, if you're patient, good at directions and have a decent grasp of the language, and you're not risk adverse, you'd probably be OK.

By the way, it's probably already been mentioined, but the spoken Spanish in Argentina is not like the Spanish you learn in America or hear in Mexico - it's castellano. It definitely takes some getting used to. What they speak in Uruguay, I have no idea - it sounded mostly incomprehensible to me during my very brief stay there.

x-posted with Wonton - lomo means tenderloin in Spanish by the way.
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Post by NorthAmerican » Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:11 pm

If you don't speak Spanish this video may be of no interest to you, but it includes perfect examples of Argentine-inflected Spanish. Listen for the words buscando (boo-CAHN-do), llevar (shay-VAHR), mayor (mah-SHOR), and yo (SHOW). The accent isn't that hard to get used to, and the rhythm of Argentine Spanish is much like Italian, not surprising when you realize that the largest percentage of immigrants to Argentina came from Italy. The video was made at the Sunday antiques fair in Plaza Dorrego, in the San Telmo neighborhood, and at about the same time of year as your planned visit.




P.S. Moe is referring to the Avenida Nueve de Julio.
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Yep, that's the one! Cheers.
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Post by thepr0ss » Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:23 pm

I'm glad to get to chat with you folks and thanks a ton for sharing pics and video. It goes to show everyone has different tastes. The video of the drive doesn't look bad at all. In fact it reminds me of the one of the drives in Hawaii. I would love to make that ride. Checked the site you shared too and the rate for a car is not bad. Granted the buses are much cheaper, the car gives you flexibility, the feel i am looking for and also when you measure the time waiting on buses or lost by accommodating the masses i think this is a no brainer. Thanks to all

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On another note, i am thinking about rescheduling this leg of our trip to the fall since my wife is a teacher. The american schools winter break in december is during a much better climate time for Argentina. I think we will create plan for one trip that just goes around Argentina. I will not focus on any secret or great destinations in central and south america. We are seeking warmer destination but some place we can really sink our teeth in to. We don't sit and chill at resorts all day but like access to the beach as well as good culture.

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Anyone have thoughts on other destinations? Was it something I said? ;)

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thepr0ss wrote:Anyone have thoughts on other destinations? Was it something I said? ;)
I'm puzzled by the question; other destinations in Argentina? Other countries in South America?

If you reschedule your trip for either spring or fall in the northern hemisphere, you'll find weather in Argentina to be more agreeable. Spring begins in late September down there, with everything beginning to bloom. In October, you can attend the Oktoberfest in Villa General Belgrano (in Cordoba province, an easy day trip from Cordoba city). Autumn arrives in late March. In fact, you just missed one of Argentina's big festivals, Vendimia. the celebration of the grape harvest in Mendoza province.

I try not to give links to commercial Web sites, and Villa General Belgrano hasn't yet posted information on the 2015 Oktoberfest, but here's a photo showing a parade at a previous festival:

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And here's Mendoza boasting about the success of the Vendimia that just ended: Vendimia 2015.

If you travel at a time of year when you can be on a beach in the southern hemisphere, you have lots of options: Mar del Plata or other nearby resort towns in Argentina, Punta del Este and other beaches in Uruguay, or Vina del Mar in Chile. (No mention of Brazil because I know almost nothing about the country.)
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Post by NorthAmerican » Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:53 pm

Breaking my own rule, here's a long infomercial about the Oktoberfest that appeared on Argentine television. It's in apanish, of course, but the visuals give a good overview of the festival, not just the band stand or parade.


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thepr0ss wrote:Anyone have thoughts on other destinations? Was it something I said?


Yeah, I'm with NA - didn't really understand. It sounds like you're looking for other (unspecified?) destinations maybe? You're currently planning on hitting Miami, Belize and Panama and want to tack on a week or two somewhere else that will be warm in that general region? If you're flying out of Miami, instead of going directly to Belize, you could consider flying into Cancun and trip down the Yucatan, through Belize and into Guatemala. That's a pretty well beaten path that a lot of posters here have done, and if you had your own ride you could certainly find some interesting side trips. Guatemala itself has a lot of options and a lot of territory to cover if that's what you're looking for. It's very doable in a two week trip, depending on your pace. Biggest obstacle would be getting your car from one country to the next, I don't know anything about that. Once you clarify where you're going, you might consider doing another OP - people who're posting on this thread who might know a lot about Argentina might not know much at all about whichover other country you decide to go to and someone with lots of knowledge about wherever you do decide to go to probably wouldn't think to click on an OP about Argentina to see if you were looking for advice on say Panama.
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Also your posts still aren't seen until the mod approves them, so some of your previous comments may have been missed by people who just read the most recent reply.

Just make a few random posts until they start to appear in real time.
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Didn't think of that. Lazy damn mods. If you want to rack up the post count to get off of double secret probation, a few shots at the mods in the 'Sound Off' section will get you through this period pretty quickly.
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Post by thepr0ss » Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:46 pm

My apologies for not being specific. I am going to take the advice from a few of you to do this Argentinian trip in December. Our original plan was Belize>Panama>Venezuela>South Florida but due to the stability issues in Venezuela we changed it to Belize>Panama>Argentina>South Florida. Now since Argentina will have to wait I'm looking for suggestions on other places in Central or South America. I have some places in mind (Trinidad/Tobago, Anguilla, etc) but you guys are a good group so i was curious if any of you had found a place in Central or South American that you really love and would recommend.

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I think i just made it off probation. That last post went up right away. ;]

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You might wanna start a general LatAm thread and you'll probably get more feedback, but my vote would be Colombia.

I like all the Caribbean islands I've seen but most seem totally built around tourism. We went to Curacao back in 2010. Right off the coast of Venezuela but totally stable. Lots of food from Venezuela made its way over there too. I wouldn't go for more than 4 or 5 days though.

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I'm an Argentina junkie because I've got scores of relatives there. I've spent about three months down there on various trips, so I know much of the country except for points south of Bariloche. What I know of Brazil is limited; I once spent an hour or two waiting for a change of planes in the Sao Paulo airport, and I've been to Iguassu Falls (I think that's the Brazilian spelling) twice, staying in hotels on the Brazilian side both times. I've also been to Santiago de Chile and to the beach at Vina del Mar, but that's the limit of my experience outside of Argentina.
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cataratas do iguaçu
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Tortilla Slim wrote:cataratas do iguaçu
I hate to argue with a guy who has knife skills, but the hotel I stayed at -- the only hotel inside the national park on the Brazilian side of the falls -- spelled it Iguassu.

I told them I didn't care what kind of room they gave me, but that I hoped they could give my mother a room with a view of the falls. In the photo below, my room was at the far left on the front, so I had a partial view of the falls and also a view of the jungle. They gave my mother a view directly under the cupola in the center of the façade. She had a spectacular view:

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Post by Tortilla Slim » Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:42 pm

You've made me pull a Vinny here but it was actually an interesting one

In 1549, a Spanish explorer, Cabeza de Vaca, found the falls while trailing down the river. Very impressed, he named them "Quedas de Santa Maria". Later the name changed to Quedas del Iguazu; this name is a native name from the Guarani Indians who lived there.[5]

Until 1860, it was under the disputed territory between Brazil and Paraguay, but given the latter's defeat in the Paraguayan War, the falls were recognized as part of the Brazilian territory.[5]

The region was almost uninhabited, and there was only a military colony until 1897, with the creation of a postal office in the region. Given the little attention of the political authorities, the region was very predated by foreigners, mainly Argentines.[5]

In 1910, the colony's status was upgraded to the position of "vila" (town or village), named "Vila Iguazu", and, in 1914, to city. At that time, the city was known as Foz do Iguassu.[5]


In 1916, Alberto Santos-Dumont visited the region and, impressed with the beauties of the region, suggested more attention of the government to the area and asked for the appropriation of the land where currently is the Parque do Iguaçu (Iguaçu Park). Until 1917, this region had an owner, Jezus Val. The state appropriated the land in the next year, and, in 1939, the Parque Nacional do Iguaçu ("Iguaçu National Park") was created.[5]

In 1945, an agreement between the Brazilian Academy of Letters and the Academy of Lisbon changed the city name to Foz do Iguaçu. The city experienced a big economical boom in the 1960s to the late 1980s, first with the construction of the Friendship Bridge, concluded in 1965, and the Itaipu Dam, in operation since in 1984.[5]

On October 19, 2005, a proposal was made to adjust the city name to: Foz do Iguassu. The proposal was approved in a first debate and then rejected in a second debate, at the Town Hall (Câmara Municipal), by four votes for and eight against. The bill was initiated by city councillor Djalma Pastorello, of the PSDB.[5]

The purpose of the adjustment to the city name was to return the spelling to the original form, as at the foundation of the city in 1914. The change occurred due language reforms of 1945, which changed the orthography of Brazilian Portuguese. However, existing proper names were not obliged to change. Another reason for the proposed adjustment back to the original was that 146 of the 198 member countries of the United Nations do not have the "ç" character in their alphabets.[5]

The adjustment would therefore rationalise any search for the city in search engines, since Foz do Iguaçu's claim to fame world wide is due almost entirely to the falls, which are known as the Iguassu Falls. Djalma Pastorello felt that tourism to the city of Foz do Iguaçu would be improved greatly by a clarification of its association with the now-famous Iguassu Falls. However, he estimates that 70% of the city's population were against the name change because the local media anticipated the change and presented it in a distorted way, so that locals were unable to see that the intention was to benefit the population.[5]
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Post by NorthAmerican » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:28 pm

Thanks. That's an interesting history. I came across both spellings while there, so I wondered why there were two, but I never researched the issue.

What was most surprising about your post was the mention of Cabeza de Vaca. Have you ever seen the joint Mexican-Spanish film of that name? A film based on his own account, tt starts with the shipwreck of the Spanish expedition of which he was treasurer, and traces his years-long journey from what is now Florida to the Pacific Coast, where he and the few of his crew who survived are thought to be savages by the conquistadors they encounter.


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Post by Moethebartender » Fri Mar 20, 2015 12:59 am

Foz do Iguassu? cataratas do iguaçu? Fuck all that unpronounceable foreign garbage. From here on out, they shall be known as Iggy's Falls. Ameriguns don't need all this hassle.
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Iggy's Falls is O.K. with me.

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Post by thepr0ss » Fri Mar 20, 2015 2:21 am

It just got real nerdy up in here

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Re: Let's talk about Argentina

Post by Tortilla Slim » Fri Mar 20, 2015 9:05 am

That happens a lot around here
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Re: Let's talk about Argentina

Post by NorthAmerican » Fri Mar 20, 2015 7:55 pm

If your final plans include Argentina, and specifically Buenos Aires, take note of El Gomero, the rubber tree (a ficus) in the plaza facing Recoleta Cemetery. It was planted by the friars of the adjoining church in 1825. Here it is in a short video:


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Re: Let's talk about Argentina

Post by thepr0ss » Fri Mar 20, 2015 8:47 pm

After it was all said and done it looks like we will push through with the Argentina plans this June after all. Got too hyped to not go! We will forego some of the beach time and focus on sight seeing so some of your great tips will be put to good use. Thanks everyone!

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Re: Let's talk about Argentina

Post by cowtown » Fri Mar 20, 2015 9:01 pm

thepr0ss wrote:My apologies for not being specific. I am going to take the advice from a few of you to do this Argentinian trip in December. Our original plan was Belize>Panama>Venezuela>South Florida but due to the stability issues in Venezuela we changed it to Belize>Panama>Argentina>South Florida. Now since Argentina will have to wait I'm looking for suggestions on other places in Central or South America. I have some places in mind (Trinidad/Tobago, Anguilla, etc) but you guys are a good group so i was curious if any of you had found a place in Central or South American that you really love and would recommend.



I’d swapped out Venezuela for Cartagena; they have an easy connection from Panama City and to Miami (only direct flight from there to the US). Cartagena had a bit of everything, good beach scene but not great beaches, enough culture with the old city, urban fun and a few decent side trips – would only need a few days too

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Re: Let's talk about Argentina

Post by Tortilla Slim » Fri Mar 20, 2015 9:24 pm

thepr0ss wrote:After it was all said and done it looks like we will push through with the Argentina plans this June after all. Got too hyped to not go! We will forego some of the beach time and focus on sight seeing so some of your great tips will be put to good use. Thanks everyone!


Good, now go over to Streeterville and meet the weirdos and talk some shit.

cowtown wrote:Cartagena had a bit of everything, good beach scene but not great beaches


Not in Cartagena itself, no, but a short boat ride out to Islas del Rosario you get that powdery white sand and turquoise water. Boca Grande beaches blow and are full of sand fleas.
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Re: Let's talk about Argentina

Post by NorthAmerican » Wed Mar 25, 2015 3:49 am

Slim's work may be done, but mine is ongoing.

I happened to find a 20-minute documentary on Buenos Aires with non-stop narration by Eduardo Lazzari, a city historian. I'm prejudiced by my love of the city, but I think it's an absolutely wonderful description of the city's mix of architectural styles. The English subtitles are excellent; only a few minor errors, one of them the use of a font that doesn't show diacritical marks but displays a question mark instead.

If you have some time to spare and want to see some beautiful footage of the city, take a look:




Another video I saw reminded me of something I had forgotten: the first time I flew into Buenos Aires it reminded me of London. Why? Because it seems like you're flying over the city forever, mile after mile after mile of buildings before you see anything you recognize. About one-third of Argentina's population lives in Buenos Aires province, and a lot of them right in the city or its suburbs.

Take a nine-minute helicopter ride:


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Post by LuZbelito » Mon Mar 30, 2015 10:17 pm

Just heard you postponed (at least that's what i understood, didn't read all the posts).
Let me know when and for how long you'll be going and i'll give you some pointers.

A couple of things from what i've read so far:
Patagonia is nice, yes, but so is the North West and it is much cheaper. Very different place but just as beautiful. I like the atmosphere better tbh. It's no crime to go to Argentina and don't visit Patagonia, particularly when you go for two weeks.
Iguazu: go, visit the waterfalls and get the fuck out of there. My take at least.
Google a bit about Tucuman-Salta-Jujuy (north west). You can take an overnight bus from Buenos Aires to Tucuman, rent a car there, tavel around (gorgeos places, bodegas, nice towns, cheaper than Bs As and Patagonia).
Check if Mendoza (mid-west) is your thing. Generally means wine and meat surrounded by mountains.

Traveling wise (all from Bs As): To iguazu, i'd fly. To Mendoza bus. To Tucuman, bus. To Patagonia, depends on your budget/time (it's a 20+ hs bus). Buses are ok and they are generally overnight ones, so you also save a night at a hotel.

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Post by Jim-2012 » Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:11 am

How long is a bus ride from BA to San Carlos de Bariloche?
Is a flight a better option?
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Re: Let's talk about Argentina

Post by NorthAmerican » Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:56 am

Jim-2012 wrote:How long is a bus ride from BA to San Carlos de Bariloche?
Twenty hours or longer; here are the schedules of various bus lines with service from Retiro (the main terminal in Buenos Aires) to San Carlos de Bariloche:

By bus from Buenos Aires to Bariloche

salida = departure
llegada = arrival
Proximo dia = next day

Edit: Buses in Argentina tend to be clean and comfortable. My longest trips by bus were from Buenos Aires to Tucuman and from Iguazu to Tucuman. Much shorter, at about seven hours, was the trip from Mendoza to Santiago de Chile. Other trips were even shorter: Tucuman to Catamarca, for example, doesn't take long, but most of the trip consists of crossing the Aconquija mountains that separate the two provinces.
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Re: Let's talk about Argentina

Post by Jim-2012 » Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:23 pm

Thanks, NA. Twenty hours would rule out a bus ride for me.
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Post by NorthAmerican » Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:53 pm

Jim-2012 wrote:Thanks, NA. Twenty hours would rule out a bus ride for me.
I can understand that; I can't sleep on buses or planes, so I usually look for the fastest way to get somewhere. In Argentina, though, some of the bus rides were with relatives who couldn't afford the high cost of air fares. I dug out a photo from one of those trips across the Aconquija mountains, scary for me because I don't like heights or mountain roads. I just realized as I looked at the photo now that I have a light meter hanging from my neck. The Stone Age! (I was only 52 at the time.)

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Re: Let's talk about Argentina

Post by Jim-2012 » Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:21 pm

Nice photo, NA. The buses look to be in very good shape.
"I was only 52 at the time." I agree that 52 is young, although some of the posters on the Stew would consider that to be old. :lol:
You look young & healthy, too.
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Post by Kilombo » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:34 pm

The bus services in Argentina are great Jim, much better than in USA, but it is a much better option to take a flight. Currently your best option is to take dollars in cash and change them on the black market. If you use ATM or credit card, you get an exchange rate of 8,80 more or less, the other way you get more than 12
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Post by Jim-2012 » Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:03 pm

Kilombo wrote:The bus services in Argentina are great Jim, much better than in USA, but it is a much better option to take a flight. Currently your best option is to take dollars in cash and change them on the black market. If you use ATM or credit card, you get an exchange rate of 8,80 more or less, the other way you get more than 12

Thanks, Kilombo, but I would be afraid that they would give me counterfeit pesos (or are they called Australes again?).
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Re: Let's talk about Argentina

Post by Kilombo » Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:49 am

It isn´t difficult to find a decent place to change usually Jim but carrying large amount of cash isn´t a good deal either, specifically in big cities
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