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Post by snowgirl » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:35 pm

...should we go?

Family holiday for Christmas. My sister and her partner want to drive down the west coast from B.C. to somewhere in Mexico where my mom and I can fly to. My sister will undoubtedly rent a beautiful villa, as she always does. But where? I'm thinking someplace not too far south, on the Pacific coast that is beautiful, not too urban but not remote, and relatively safe.I have done no research and am open to all suggestions (except the bad ones). Go!
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Post by steveogolf » Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:23 pm

It's a very bad idea to drive a vehicle anywhere in Mexico due to the drug wars and the high crime rate. As tourists they would be a major target. A better idea might be for them to fly to San Diego or to Los Angeles and then take a flight to where you want to meet them.
Los Cabos at the southern tip of Baja is very popular.
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Post by Bill Barilko » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:19 pm

Puerto Escondido, Oaxaca and stop in Oaxaca city on the way back.
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Post by section8 » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:33 pm

Mazatlan
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Re: Where in Mexico...

Post by northern_goddess » Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:42 pm

Is your preference for somewhere on the Baja Peninsula? Or over on the Pacific Coast towards Puerto Vallarta?

If the latter, Sayulita is supposed to be very nice (and I thought of it as soon as you said "Villa") and you can fly in to Puerto Vallarta to get there.
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Post by snowgirl » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:06 pm

Thanks, Steve. That did occur to me. Sis wants to drive so they can bring their pup but that might be off the table if there's any risk.

I'm looking up the other places mentioned. I should have said it should be on the coast, wherever we go.
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Post by Wilster » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:12 pm

steveogolf wrote:
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It's a very bad idea to drive a vehicle anywhere in Mexico due to the drug wars and the high crime rate. As tourists they would be a major target.
Let's not be alarmist Steve. I'd be more worried about a police shakedown. Last year my son and his buddy took a pickup truck WITH a trailer (another vehicle in it) attached to it and had no problems driving down to Sayulita. You drive during the day and keep your wits about you.
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Is your preference for somewhere on the Baja Peninsula? Or over on the Pacific Coast towards Puerto Vallarta?

If the latter, Sayulita is supposed to be very nice (and I thought of it as soon as you said "Villa") and you can fly in to Puerto Vallarta to get there.
That's what I was going to suggest is Sayulita; Puerto Vallarta is about a 45 drive (30 miles) to the south, but you of course fly into PV to get there. We've had a free place to stay which is out of Sayulita proper, up on a hill overlooking another beach and palm grove. It's about a ten, 15 minute drive into Sayulita where you go for shopping and a scene if you're looking for one; plus, excellent restaurants in town. But being up on the hill is quite calming and relaxing and never more than a half-dozen people on this beach, Playa Pátzcuaro Sur.

This place shares the same rural street up on the hill to get to the house: http://www.casalasramas.com/
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Re: Where in Mexico...

Post by northern_goddess » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:15 pm

On the Baja Peninsula I've been to La Paz and that's where we went out and snorkled at Espiritu Santos with the sea lions and saw rays flipping in the water near us. It was a great trip but it was a long time ago.

I've also heard that Todos Santos is quite nice but I've never been there.

I'm not sure where Steve is getting his information from but I know people who drive down from Canada to south of Puerto Vallarta every year and they never have any problems.
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Re: Where in Mexico...

Post by Bill Barilko » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:22 pm

I've also heard that Todos Santos is quite nice but I've never been there.
The town is quite nice to look at but the beach quite steep and water shockingly cold in December -the Mar de Cortes side is better in that regard.
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Re: Where in Mexico...

Post by VinnyD » Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:15 pm

The US State Department, which tends toward caution in my opinion, doesn't say not to drive at all. They do say "Use toll roads when possible and avoid driving at night."

They do recommend against all travel in certain states.

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Re: Where in Mexico...

Post by steveogolf » Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:14 pm

Regarding Driving To and In Mexico: I am not being alarmist. There is a specific "Level Two" Travel Alert in effect for Baja North and South issued by the U.S. Department of State.
Everyone has his/her risk tolerance. I have been to many Third World and Developing Countries with existing safety and caution warnings at the time. That said, for me it would be a No-No to drive a vehicle in Mexico. Others may have different views. Just because something bad hasn't happened on one or a few trips doesn't mean that it won't happen on the next trip. My view is that it is false economy to drive to/from Mexico if the primary purpose of doing so is merely to save money.
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Post by Steve_in_Exile » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:26 pm

Bill Barilko wrote:
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Puerto Escondido, Oaxaca and stop in Oaxaca city on the way back
Good choice, but that's a long way down there.

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Re: Where in Mexico...

Post by Bill Barilko » Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:14 pm

The further from the US border the better.
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Re: Where in Mexico...

Post by VinnyD » Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:30 pm

not too far south

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Post by Steve_in_Exile » Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:12 pm

In recent years I have driven rental cars in BC Sur, Michoacan, Jalisco, Oaxaca, and Colima, and never had any problems but I don't drive at night, and I do take some precautions. Drunk driving and machismo remain the main dangers of driving in Mexico.

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Bill Barilko wrote:
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Puerto Escondido, Oaxaca and stop in Oaxaca city on the way back.
X 2...we go to Huatulco every year....Oaxaca is brilliant.
Foods great, super safe and lovely (but Pacific) beaches.
If you've seen the movie "yu tu mama tambien" the beach at the end where the cancer lady goes to die is where I posted a pic not the long ago of me and marge on the beach.
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Re: Where in Mexico...

Post by snowgirl » Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:24 pm

Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. The driving thing is about my sis being able to have her dog with her over Christmas. I don't know how married she is to the idea. I'm looking in to your suggestions :)
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Post by Steve_in_Exile » Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:28 pm

I wasn't sure if BC meant British Colombia or Baja California, but has to mean Canada. Anyway here's my plan. Drive down the west coast of USA, then down the entire length of Baja California, catch the car ferry from La Paz to Mazatlan, then drive another thousand miles or so down to Oaxaca. Relax on the beach for a couple of days, and then drive back up.

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Post by VinnyD » Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:57 pm

With the caveat that I have never owned a dog, that (or anything reasonable) seems like a huge amount of driving just to make it possible not to put the dog in a kennel for a week or two. Plus at all stops en route they will have to find a place that will take dogs, and at the destination they will have to find a rental villa that allows them.

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I wasn't sure if BC meant British Colombia or Baja California, but has to mean Canada. Anyway here's my plan. Drive down the west coast of USA, then down the entire length of Baja California, catch the car ferry from La Paz to Mazatlan, then drive another thousand miles or so down to Oaxaca. Relax on the beach for a couple of days, and then drive back up.
I did that trip by car down the Baja Peninsula in the long, long ago. It is still one of the highlights of my travels. It's a fucking fascinating piece of the planet and the people I met there were fantastic.
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Post by northern_goddess » Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:54 pm

How big/small is their dog? WestJet will let you bring your dog with you to Puerto Vallarta under your seat. I don't know about other airlines.
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Post by 2wilzgood » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:11 pm

99.9% of Mexicans don't want to kill you.

The one in a thousand that do are easy to avoid.

Baja's a dream you won't've hammering to La Paz.

Drive to San Diego, fly to Vallarta, enjoy Sayulita.

Or San Blas, no one goes to San Blas. I like it.
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2wilzgood wrote:
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Or San Blas, no one goes to San Blas. I like it.
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Yeah, it's swampy. Second floor with a fan.
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Post by Bill Barilko » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:54 pm

I was just joking I've been eaten up in Zihuatanejo which is quite a dry place when the humidity was high and locals basically told me to 'grin & bear it'.
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Bill Barilko wrote:
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I was just joking I've been eaten up in Zihuatanejo which is quite a dry place when the humidity was high and locals basically told me to 'grin & bear it'.
Maybe you'll run into andy dufresne.
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Post by 2wilzgood » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:29 pm

Zihua is nice, great beaches nearby

Vallarta is a bit different, bigger, and north
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Post by dragon » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:29 am

If you want to be on the coast, and certainly anywhere near Sayulita at holiday-time, then you need to book NOW, and it may be too late.

Guadalajara, on the other hand, is lovely that time of year...
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Post by northern_goddess » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:50 am

Good point about needing to book now if you want to find something for Christmas. Things book up very quickly for high season but even more quickly for Christmas.
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Post by Bill Barilko » Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:07 am

dragon wrote:
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Guadalajara, on the other hand, is lovely that time of year...
Not a great place to keep a dog is Guadalajara.
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Bill Barilko wrote:
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dragon wrote:
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Guadalajara, on the other hand, is lovely that time of year...
Not a great place to keep a dog is Guadalajara.
Depending on the dog, im sure you could find a place.
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Zihua is nice, great beaches nearby

Vallarta is a bit different, bigger, and north
North of Zihuat is great, and I'm thinkin' Troncones and the area. It's the G-Land of surfing for middle-aged peeps. This would be a looooong drive from N. America.
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Post by Bill Barilko » Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:45 am

Mexico as everyone knows is in North America
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Bill Barilko wrote:
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Mexico as everyone knows is in North America
Correct, my bad; this would be a loooong drive from the USA, longer from Canada. Both from northern N. America.
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Puerto Escondido, Oaxaca and stop in Oaxaca city on the way back.
This. It's a long way down to Oaxaca State, but my favorite stretch of coast. Zipolite, Mazunte, Puerto Angel, even Huatulco.
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Zihua is nice, great beaches nearby
I'm thinkin' Troncones and the area. It's the G-Land of surfing for middle-aged peeps.
Troncones, you say? Then you must know Mitch and Viri. Relocated to Canuckistan, married w/ child, last I heard. Very much among the very best of people.
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Post by snowgirl » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:59 pm

They have a Westfalia van that they'd be driving down. The dog's too big to under the seat (they've tried that already). I think Oaxaca would be too far, unfortunately. I've already discovered Sayulita gets booked up quick :(
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Re: Where in Mexico...

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Mazatlan. It's not too far from the border, is connected to Baja by ferry, has great beaches and seafood, and the old town is pretty nice.
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Baja is magic once south of Rosarito.

Highly recommended.

The only downers after Rosarito were Santa Rosalia, SERIOUSLY AVOID, and a cantina in Loreto that can't still exist if there is a God in heaven.

The ferry from La Paz was.. basic/relatively expensive in 2004. Not a knock, a heads up.

Did not like Mazatlan. Many others do.

Mine is serious dislike. Do. Not. Like.

San Blas to just south of Zihuatanejo is the range.

Or meet on Baja. Magic
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Post by Moethebartender » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:03 pm

Out of curiosity, what is going on in Santa Rosalia? From my dim memories, it's kind of a dusty little town without a lot going on there. Isn't that the place where the Eiffel church is? It's been decades since I've been to Baja, I don't know that I'd want to go back now and ruin the memories.
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Mazatlan. It's not too far from the border, is connected to Baja by ferry, has great beaches and seafood, and the old town is pretty nice.
Mazatlan is Terrible. I say that having been there about 15 years ago and imagining it has gotten worse and not better.
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Zipolite
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Post by 2wilzgood » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:40 pm

Santa Rosalia?

Old company town.

Creepy beyond description.

2004 then, may be different today.
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Post by Moethebartender » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:45 pm

I was there in the early 90's. I'll have to dig out my pics; I don't remember anything creepy, but aside from the Eiffel Church, I can't say I remember much about it. It's near Mulegé, isn't it? I remember having a great time there; we ended up getting invited to a wedding by some people we just met there and had a blast generally.
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Post by Steve_in_Exile » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:49 pm

I can't remember anything weird or creepy about Santa Rosalia, and I've been there a few times. Nothing stands out.

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My experience was different than what you had?

Bizarre
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Steve_in_Exile wrote:
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strife wrote:
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Zipolite
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True. When I was living in Puerto Escondido, my girlfriend flew down from Mexico City with her friend. They'd heard about Zipolite, but were very skeptical. Then we went to Zipolite.
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Post by 2wilzgood » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:32 am

Based on recent reports, your family should vacation in Santa Rosalia.

It's on Baja. All good.
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Post by Bill Barilko » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:39 am

Of course the answer is Michoacán but the security situation means no one can in good conscience recommend the place.
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Post by Steve_in_Exile » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:40 am

which hotel in Zipolite did you stay at, Felix? Do you remember?

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