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Post by andybox » Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:20 am

What’s this?
5 to go and it’s the last 5 minutes in the Boks v Aus 2019 final, Shavenhead is on his last bottle of Castle and down to his last fingernail. The Kiwi ref pings the Boks for offside, Aus spread it wide, the crowd stand in anticipation, through the backline it goes, Foley dummies, dummies again then drags the entire Boks scrum over the line for a game, and Cup winning, try.
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Post by mad hatter » Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:49 am

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Post by Shavenhead » Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:03 am

Only another 50 days before reality check time.

I wonder if England will make it out of their group.
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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:06 am

Oh dear

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Post by Geoffers » Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:02 am

One thing to consider is the climate in Japan. When the tournament starts daytime temperatures are likely to be in the 30s, that won’t suit the 6N teams or NZ. Will best suit Oz, PAcific Island, and Japanese teams.

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Post by Shavenhead » Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:52 am

Even in October?
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Post by Geoffers » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:13 pm

No, it should drop a bit by the knockout stages, but it’s hard to predict the weather this far out.

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:49 pm

Depends on how teams are being conditioned.

I'm sure Eddie knows what to expect in that regard.

News is that the England team are currently training in certain conditions. Mike Brown said he's losing 3 to 4 kilos in a normal training situation, when he usually only loses 1 mile even in a full international.

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:51 pm

I'm sure the French players are used to some hot conditions in a southern France spring or autumn.

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Post by Shavenhead » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:02 pm

SA players should be fine in those conditions.
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Post by Geoffers » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:06 pm

I was thinking that too Shaven. The Kiwis don’t do well in the heat. A couple of months training doesn’t help Stephen, it’s years of acclimatisation, preferably growing up with it.

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Post by Shavenhead » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:19 pm

The English are doing some strange extreme heat training in Italy.

Is this really necessary? Is Japan in October really like Kuwait? Meanwhile high up in the Alps, the Welsh are busy with a high altitude special forces course.

I hope all of this is worth it. We should get an insight into which of these approaches is most effective next weekend as England will be playing Wales.
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Post by andybox » Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:44 am

Australia are in the pub, keeping hydrated.
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Post by Geoffers » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:34 am

Japan had a good win over Fiji, they might give the Scotch a scare at the WC

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Geoffers wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:34 am
Japan had a good win over Fiji, they might give the Scotch a scare at the WC
The Scotts gave Aus a fucking run for their money in 2015.
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Aussies to school the AB's on Sat if you listen to Waugh.
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Post by Geoffers » Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:07 am

I’ll be there, I’ll let you know after I get home what I thought of it. I expect it won’t be as tough as the Boks test.

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I expect the ABs will school AU.
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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:06 pm

6 weeks to go.

Was worried about the times of these matches, but doesnt seem so bad.

England matches will be 11am to 1pm our time.

And can catch a lot of midweek games, 2nd half, during lunch hour.

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Post by Shavenhead » Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:04 am

Based on the events of this last weekend would it be accurate to say the Australia and England are now favourites to win the World Cup?
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mad hatter wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:53 am
Aussies to school the AB's on Sat if you listen to Waugh.
Yeah, Waugh got it right.
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mad hatter wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:33 am
I expect the ABs will school AU.
Heh
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Shavenhead wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:04 am
Based on the events of this last weekend would it be accurate to say the Australia and England are now favourites to win the World Cup?
I’m still tipping an Oz Boks final.
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andybox wrote:
Shavenhead wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:04 am
Based on the events of this last weekend would it be accurate to say the Australia and England are now favourites to win the World Cup?
I’m still tipping an Oz Boks final.
Well, y ou never know.

It certainly wont be an AB final

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Post by andybox » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:17 am

I picked Oz in 2015, was laughed at.
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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:13 pm

Stephen_Dedalus wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:03 pm
1. Vunipola (M), Genge
2. George, Hartley
3. Sinckler, Cole
4. & 5. Itoje, Lawes, Launchberry, Kruis
6. Wilson, Robshaw
7. Underhill, Curry
8. Vunipola (B), Shields?
9. Youngs, Care
10. Farrell, Ford (Cipriani?)
12. Tuliagi, T'eo
13. Slade, Joseph
11&14. May, Ashton, Cocknasinga, Nowell
15. Daly, Watson

That leaves me one for a specialist position, extra Scrum half?

No doubt 20% of these players will be unavailable.
So, my list was wrong by
* Hartley: didnt come back from injury, no longer first choice
* Robshaw: not good enough, too old
* Shields: crooked
* Care: not good enough, too mentally slow
* T'eo: bad attitude?
* Ashton: family issues

Additions:
* Marler: reversed 'early' retirement
* Hookers: cover from Cowan-Dickie and Singleton
* Ludlam: like waiting for a bus, now we have three quality young No7s. Great performance vs Wales
* Heinz: cover at scrum half. Old head, great season.
* McConnochie: transferred 7s talent to great 1st season at wing.

Interesting points;
Only 2 at scrum half and 2 tight heads.

First XV+8=23, my view

1. Vunipola (M), Marler
2. George, Cowan-Dickie
3. Sinckler, Cole
4. Kruis, Lawes
5. Launchberry
6. Itoje
7. Curry, Underhill
8. Vunipola (B)
9. Youngs, Heinz
10. Farrell, Ford
11. May
12. Tuliagi
13. Slade
14. Cocknasinga
15. Daly, Watson

8 in Hotel:
Genge
Singleton
Watson
Joseph
Francis
Mcconnochie
Nowell
Wilson

Of course, the inevitable injuries will totally change this.

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Post by Shavenhead » Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:51 pm

Looks like a decent squad. Will be interesting to see which of those will be picked to start against Wales this weekend.

Will we get to see the "A" team in action?

In what way is Shields a crook? I thought he was from New Zealand not Australia.
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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:01 pm

Away in Cardiff, I'm expecting A/B and same against Ireland at home.

You cant justify protecting everyone if they're 100% fit to play

The last match against Italy will be C.

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:03 pm

They did a nice 9 minute on BBC today showing each squad member playing as kids.

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:04 pm

Could be South Africa vs England, semis

It could be anything. Totally unpredictable. Bring it on.

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Post by Shavenhead » Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:07 pm

Four interesting matches this weekend:

- 2nd Bledisloe
- SA vs Argentina at Loftus
- England vs Wales redux
- Scotland vs France
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Post by Shavenhead » Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:39 pm

Shavenhead wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:07 pm
1. Malherbe; Oosthuizen
2. Marx; Mbonambi
3.Kitshoff; Mtarawira
4&5. Etzebeth; Snyman; Mostert: De Jager
6. Kolisi; Louw
7. Du Toit; van Staden
8. Vermeulen; Whiteley
9. De Klerk; Papier
10. Pollard; Jantjies
11. Dyantyi; Mapimpi
12. De Allende; Esterhuizen
13. Am; Kriel
14. Nkosi; Kolbe
15. Le Roux; Gelant
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Ok, so I got at least seven wrong. The official world cup side announced this afternoon:

1. Kitshoff; Mtawarira
2. Marx; Mbonambi; Brits
3. Malherbe; Nyakane; Koch
4&5. Etsebeth; Mostert; Snyman; de Jager
6. Kolisi; Smith
7. Du Toit
8. Vermeulen; Louw
9. De Klerk; H Jantjies; Reinach
10. Pollard; E Jantjies
11. Nkosi; Mapimpi
12. De Allende; Steyn
13. Am; Kriel
14. Kolbe
15. Le Roux; Gelant
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Post by allender » Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:33 am

Nice to see a discussion on my favourite sport.

As much as I love cricket and football, rugby has always been my favourite,


Cannot wait for the start of the rwc2019

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:29 am

Shavenhead wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:39 pm
Shavenhead wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:07 pm
1. Malherbe; Oosthuizen
2. Marx; Mbonambi
3.Kitshoff; Mtarawira
4&5. Etzebeth; Snyman; Mostert: De Jager
6. Kolisi; Louw
7. Du Toit; van Staden
8. Vermeulen; Whiteley
9. De Klerk; Papier
10. Pollard; Jantjies
11. Dyantyi; Mapimpi
12. De Allende; Esterhuizen
13. Am; Kriel
14. Nkosi; Kolbe
15. Le Roux; Gelant
#31 Serfontein
Ok, so I got at least seven wrong. The official world cup side announced this afternoon:

1. Kitshoff; Mtawarira
2. Marx; Mbonambi; Brits
3. Malherbe; Nyakane; Koch
4&5. Etsebeth; Mostert; Snyman; de Jager
6. Kolisi; Smith
7. Du Toit
8. Vermeulen; Louw
9. De Klerk; H Jantjies; Reinach
10. Pollard; E Jantjies
11. Nkosi; Mapimpi
12. De Allende; Steyn
13. Am; Kriel
14. Kolbe
15. Le Roux; Gelant
Well, if I was being overly critical I'd point out that you seem to be confusing your tightheads for your looseheads, and vice versa.

Only one openside flanker?

Interesting.

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Post by Shavenhead » Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:38 am

In reality both Flo and Kwagga are utility loose forwards and against Australia Flo started at #8.

Re props, my earlier attempt at putting together a side is where I got my loose heads and tight heads mixed up. Also, PS du Toit is two for the price of one.
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Geoffers wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:07 am
I’ll be there, I’ll let you know after I get home what I thought of it. I expect it won’t be as tough as the Boks test.
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Post by Geoffers » Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:25 am

The All Blacks 31 doesn’t have many surprises, but the dropping of Owen Franks shows they want a fast moving game.

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Geoffers wrote:The All Blacks 31 doesn’t have many surprises, but the dropping of Owen Franks shows they want a fast moving game.
owen franks is a wee surprise.
brodie r in is questionable but understandable.
sounds like squires is on speed dial if he gets his head right and brodie r is out longer.
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Post by Shavenhead » Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:19 am

No Laumape, no Squire. Retallick not available to play in the pool stages. What's going on?
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Geoffers wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:25 am
The All Blacks 31 doesn’t have many surprises, but the dropping of Owen Franks shows they want a fast moving game.
Is his Australian brother Ben playing?
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Post by Geoffers » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:17 am

Laumape isn’t good enough yet, a year too early for him. Squire has been having personal problems, whatever that means in this case, and Retalick the only lock as far as I know to win World player of the year can come back from injury at full steam in the quarter final.

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Post by mad hatter » Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:50 pm

squire split with his mrs and went bush. exestential crisis.

i suspect he will fly over for the business end, someobe will get injured/wont make it eg matt todd
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Post by Geoffers » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:55 am

My semifinal predictions now;
New Zealand beat England
South Africa beat Wales
Then the All Blacks win the final.

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Post by Geoffers » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:57 am

I see Danny Care is complaining that his spot in the England team has been taken by someone from another country. Jeez, Willie Heinz was a young 23 when he moved there, he’s a fully fledged Englander now. Stop your whinging.

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Post by Geoffers » Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:27 am

Funny Danny Care didn’t complain last year when Brad Shields was parachuted into the England squad straight from Wellington New Zealand. Didn’t even have to set foot in England. Our castoffs, add Anscombe, Maitland..... you’re welcome.

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:29 am

I see Dyantyi was on the roids.

Probably why he made best breakthrough player of 2018.

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Post by Shavenhead » Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:45 am

It's a shame as he's an explosive player. How can we forget how he ripped open the All Blacks defence last year in Wellington where he scored two tries. Nobody scores two tries against the All Blacks in the same game, it just doesn't happen. Perhaps the roids had something to do with it.

I suspect he took that shit to try and fast track recovery of his hamstring injury so he could make the World Cup squad. Oh well, at least both Nkosi and Kolbe are looking deadly at the moment. There's also Mapimpi - the gas man. A bit one dimensional, but serious pace and a good finisher.

I see the AB's have decided to keep Reiko Ioanne in the squad. Add to that Sevu Reece, George Bridge, Ben Smith and Jordie Barrett. Ouch.
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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:51 am

As far as winning the WC goes, off the top of my head, I give it:

New Zealand: 30%*
South Africa: 20%**
England: 20%**
Ireland: 10%
Wales: 10%
Australia: 5%
France: 5%
Others: 0%

Caveat:
* Could take a few % of everyone and make NZ 30 to 40%
** Maybe, SA are 22.5% and England are 17.5%

It's even. Big names will go out in the group stage (England?, Ireland?) and Quarters (everyone at risk)
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Post by Shavenhead » Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:55 am

I've a feeling Japan will make it to the quarter finals at least.
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