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Re: Autumn Rugby Internationals

Post by grecian » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:34 pm

Pi55 Poor TON NIFTY! QPR as no Krekeet Reference!

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I see that Iolar's being a stupid Cunt; yet again?..

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Re: Autumn Rugby Internationals

Post by Iolar » Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:19 pm

Well, England have beaten Ireland 6 out of the last 7 meetings.


Yes, you bored us into submission. Two of those were warm-up games by the way! Statistics are easy to manipulate, though. Excluding those warm-up games, Ireland have won eight of the last thirteen meetings.

When QPR_Paul is this confident, you know that Ingerland are onto a hiding. It's a pity you can't play the mighty Fiji every week.

Everybody else lost.


Not everyone else was humiliated. You never learn, though, do you?

I see that Iolar's being a stupid Cunt; yet again?..


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Re: Autumn Rugby Internationals

Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:23 pm

Statistics are two teams meet, something happens.

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Re: Autumn Rugby Internationals

Post by Iolar » Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:26 pm

Ingerland wins! They always do ... except when they don't. You'd think you'd learn, but you never do! Always believing the hype.
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Re: Autumn Rugby Internationals

Post by Geoffers » Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:27 pm

Iolar, I'm the only one whinging about the match? Look at Harrys post, the one I replied to with the Article where Barrett said he grounded the ball.
A bit rich complaining about a head high tackle? The All Blacks were penalised and yellow carded for that, the Irish weren't. From refs we want consistency.

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Post by Iolar » Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:32 pm

The consensus in Ireland is that NZ were the better team and that they deserved to win. Harry isn't Irish.

It was a good match, but I'd expect that from the best two teams in the world.
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Re: Autumn Rugby Internationals

Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:34 pm

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Post by Geoffers » Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:40 pm

Yes Iolar, it was a very good match.

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Re: Autumn Rugby Internationals

Post by Geoffers » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:06 am

This seems to me a well reasoned article by English rugby writer Mike Cleary.
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11752590

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Re: Autumn Rugby Internationals

Post by Geoffers » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:54 am

Wellpisser said
IIRC England are the only NH team to beat the ABs twice in a row and that is not going to change

Not quite true. Wales have done it once, France thrice, which includes 3 wins in a row.
We have long memories, Wales won in 1935 and 1953, for that reason they were our NH "enemy" for 30 years or so, until they lost their lustre,
France won consecutive tests in 73 then 77. Then 3 tests in a row 94, 94, 95, then another double 07, 09.
Englands 2 wins in a row were 02, 03.

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Post by harry_flashman » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:54 am

One thing that is not in doubt is the coaching talent south of the equator. Schmidt Has done a great job for Ireland and jones has been a boon for England lifting them to a whole new level. unfortunately the same cannot be said of southern hem officiating. The point made by the irish co commentator that Ireland lost a key player due to fowl player where as nz got off without even a sin binning was very relevant. Brings back memories of the Brian o Driscoll incident. NZ were the better side on the day which would have set up a decider quite nicely.
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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:40 am

A team who couldn't beat the worst South African side that had ever existed.

Risible.

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Post by QPR_Paul » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:40 pm

Iolar wrote: It's a pity you can't play the mighty Fiji every week.



Does Iolar think England's 12 match win streak consists of only of victories over Fiji?

Maybe this is why he keeps persisting with the delusional assertation that Ireland are second best team in world rugby?

Here's England's winning streak:

Uruguay
Scotland
Italy
Ireland
Wales
France
Wales
Australia
Australia
Australia
South Africa
Fiji

So only 2/12 are over 2nd/3rd tier nations.

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What a despicable thing to say.

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:45 pm

Add Argentina to that list on Saturday and the only team missing is the ABs.

And the exciting thing is that, with a few exceptions, the majority are in the 21-27 age bracket.

Good times ahead.

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Re: Autumn Rugby Internationals

Post by Geoffers » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:32 pm

In the All Blacks recent 18 match winning streak, they played the other 2015 World Cup semifinalists 11 times, Wales 3 times, and France once, as well as Georgia, Namibia, and Tonga. Looks like a bit of a tougher ask than what England have faced. A shame England can break that record without facing the ABs, but that's the luck of the fixtures list, and who your most common opponents are.

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:38 pm

Not really interested in the ABs winning streak, not sure who is. Eddie certainly isn't.

As he has said, this is all about progression to try and get on the same level as the ABs, and the next WC in Japan.

Still have to beat Argentina. Next up.

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Post by mad hatter » Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:52 pm

Geoffers wrote:In the All Blacks recent 18 match winning streak, they played the other 2015 World Cup semifinalists 11 times, Wales 3 times, and France once, as well as Georgia, Namibia, and Tonga. Looks like a bit of a tougher ask than what England have faced. A shame England can break that record without facing the ABs, but that's the luck of the fixtures list, and who your most common opponents are.

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Re: Autumn Rugby Internationals

Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:07 pm

As previously mentioned, no home nation ever plays all SH sides in the autumn internationals.

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Post by mad hatter » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:14 pm

no. luck of the fixtures .... lol. hand picked by England Rugby...
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Re: Autumn Rugby Internationals

Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:21 pm

Yeah, because everything you make up in your head is fact, sheepdip.

And Twickenham sure loves to miss out on all that extra revenue.

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Post by mad hatter » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:24 pm

nice cushy international draw for the lads building nicely to the next world cup. wait for the wc draw itll be a nice groomed run for team england. beaner boy.
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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:26 pm

Fuck it, you're back on blocked.

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Re: Autumn Rugby Internationals

Post by Geoffers » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:31 pm

Haha, Eddie is only interested in Eddie. His coaching style will wear thin with the players............ around the end of the 6 nations. It'll make it easier for Ireland.

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Post by Iolar » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:32 pm

The Ingerlish sure do get carried away. Such hubris. If you think your current crop would beat the current AB's or Ireland then you are deluded. It'll make your whimpering, when your 6N inevitably goes awry, sound mellifluous to everyone else's ears.

QPR_Paul prior to RWC 2015 wrote:England will beat Wales and Australua at Twickenham - we always do.


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Re: Autumn Rugby Internationals

Post by mad hatter » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:39 pm

Stephen_Dedalus wrote:Fuck it, you're back on blocked.

for banter? or replying to your sheepdip with beanerboy?

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Post by Iolar » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:45 pm

Geoffers wrote:In the All Blacks recent 18 match winning streak, they played the other 2015 World Cup semifinalists 11 times, Wales 3 times, and France once, as well as Georgia, Namibia, and Tonga. Looks like a bit of a tougher ask than what England have faced. A shame England can break that record without facing the ABs, but that's the luck of the fixtures list, and who your most common opponents are.


Yes, a much tougher list of opponents. It was the worst 6N in years.
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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:49 pm

Like I said

England have beaten Ireland in 6 of the last 7 matches.

We can go around in circles as much as you like.

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Post by Iolar » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:53 pm

Two of which were warm-up games that nobody took seriously.

Yes, we have taken our eye ogf the ball when playing Ingerland recently - it can be difficult to get the adrenaline pumping prior to playing an inferior side. It won't happen in 2017.
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Post by QPR_Paul » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:54 pm

Iolar wrote:The Ingerlish sure do get carried away. Such hubris. If you think your current crop would beat the current AB's or Ireland then you are deluded. It'll make your whimpering, when your 6N inevitably goes awry, sound mellifluous to everyone else's ears.

QPR_Paul prior to RWC 2015 wrote:England will beat Wales and Australua at Twickenham - we always do.


:lol:


Here with the emoticons again. Are we 14 year olds?

Anyhoo:

If you think your current crop would beat the current AB's or Ireland then you are deluded


Most recent results between Ireland and England:

England 21 Ireland 10 (2016 6N)
England 21 Ireland 13 (2015 RWC warm up)
Ireland 19 England 9 (2015 6N)
England 13 Ireland 10 (2014 6N)
Ireland 6 England 12 (2013 6N)
England 30 Ireland 9 (2012 6N)

So recent form - England W5 Ireland W1. Fairly comprehensive.

And the official rankings:

1 New Zealand 94.78
2 England 89.84
3 Australia 88.14
4 Ireland 83.46
5 South Africa 82.49

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:55 pm

Iolar wrote:Two of which were warm-up games that nobody took seriously.

Yes, we have taken our eye ogf the ball when playing Ingerland recently - it can be difficult to get the adrenaline pumping prior to playing an inferior side. It won't happen in 2017.



Oh dear

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Post by mad hatter » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:57 pm

going back to 2012 is silly. And as anyone knows the only game that matters is the next one.
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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:59 pm

Let's see how Gatland comprises his squad next year.

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Post by Iolar » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:02 pm

Did you watch any of those matches? Only two of them were comprehensive victories: 2015 (6N) and 2012 (6N). Each of the others were tight games.

The rankings are farcical. Does anybody believe that South Africa are currently the fifth best team in the world? The Irish B team beat them in South Africa. Italy and Japan have both beaten them recently.

In that time of Ingerlish dominance and comprehensive superiority, how many championships did Ingerland win, Stephen? How many did Ireland win? How did Ingerland do on home soil in the RWC?

Who gives a flying fuck about the Lions?
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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:05 pm

How many Grand Slams did Ireland win during their golden era?

How many ever?

Get your head put of your ass, man.

At least we agree that Ireland are a good side.

Your jingoism blinds you, as per usual.

I used to think you were trolling with this shite.

Now, you just come across as demented. A typical chip on your shoulder Paddy.

Sorry to say it.

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Post by mad hatter » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:06 pm

lets see the makeup of the lions squad. may nit be as many english as people think
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Post by Iolar » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:10 pm

Do you think that Schmidt or the IRFU are happy just winning championships? Of course they aren't. The goal here is to dominate rugby in the NH. Until, we are winning Grand Slams and beating NZ regularly, we are failing. But in the space of twenty-five years, we have gone from shoe-ins for the wooden spoon to a very good team, so we are failing better.

You do not know what jingoism means!

A chip on my shoulder? Ha. That's funny. Because I don't buy into Ingerlish nonsense! Risible. Your inability to question things and reflect on them is why Brexit is happening. You are unserious people, yet simultaneously smug which is bizarre.
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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:16 pm

What does Brexit have to do with this, you soppy sod?

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Post by QPR_Paul » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:17 pm

Stephen_Dedalus wrote:Let's see how Gatland comprises his squad next year.


I don't want Gatland picking England players to get them injured with his dated tactics and training. Let's hope he reverts to type and just picks Welsh and Irish players again.

Iolar wrote:The rankings are farcical. Does anybody believe that South Africa are currently the fifth best team in the world? The Irish B team beat them in South Africa. Italy and Japan have both beaten them recently.


SA are on the downside, but they did beat Ireland 2-1 in that recent tour.

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Post by Lincoln » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:22 pm

Iolar wrote: You are unserious people, yet simultaneously smug which is bizarre.


We're smug because we are a better people than you,we've kicked your Irish asses for centuries and we continue to do so to this very day.

You're a filth gypo bogtrotter Finbar...just admit it and you'll fit it with us..i.e Know your place.

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Post by mad hatter » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:22 pm

or england rugby makes it clear which of their players arent really available for a lions tour, thats the other consideration besides Gatlands perceived bias
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Post by QPR_Paul » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:23 pm

Iolar wrote: You are unserious people, yet simultaneously smug which is bizarre.


Have you noticed that Iolar seems to believe he is the arbiter of a "people's seriousness", or lack of it?

What a ridiculous concept.

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:25 pm

Lincoln wrote:
Iolar wrote: You are unserious people, yet simultaneously smug which is bizarre.


We're smug because we are a better people than you,we've kicked your Irish asses for centuries and we continue to do so to this very day.

You're a filth gypo bogtrotter Finbar...just admit it and you'll fit it with us..i.e Know your place.



Can we keep this on point?

This is about Cromwell or Brexit.

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:26 pm

mad hatter wrote:or england rugby makes it clear which of their players arent really available for a lions tour, thats the other consideration besides Gatlands perceived bias



Have a look at the make up of the 2013 squad.

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Post by Iolar » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:26 pm

You're a filth gypo bogtrotter Finbar...just admit it and you'll fit it with us..i.e Know your place.


Lincoln, my ancestors probably owned yours. Calling me a gypo has no effect on me. Would you like another attempt at insulting me?
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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:27 pm

Thread over/

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Post by mad hatter » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:28 pm

Stephen_Dedalus wrote:
Lincoln wrote:
Iolar wrote: You are unserious people, yet simultaneously smug which is bizarre.


We're smug because we are a better people than you,we've kicked your Irish asses for centuries and we continue to do so to this very day.

You're a filth gypo bogtrotter Finbar...just admit it and you'll fit it with us..i.e Know your place.



Can we keep this on point?

This is about Cromwell or Brexit.

i wouldn't be surprised if Ireland best England in the next 6N.
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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:30 pm

They should, as they are the better team, apparently.

Plus, they are at home.

Its not easy to win back to back slams.

And if Ireland do lose, it will be because they weren't really that bothered.

Jesus wept.

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Post by mad hatter » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:34 pm

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:35 pm

France did it once, 97/98

England in 91/92

Before that about 100 years ago.

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Re: Autumn Rugby Internationals

Post by QPR_Paul » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:41 pm

Smack! Double ton!

Like Alistair Cook in his hey-day against the Crims....

Saturday:

Italy vs Tonga
England vs Argentina
Scotland vs Georgia
Romania vs Uruguay
Ireland vs Australia
Wales vs South Africa
France vs New Zealand

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