still waiting on jon's permission.
Yeah, I suppose if everyone agrees, that's ok.
just to be clear, whom do you mean by 'everyone'?
and are off-site IM remarks also permissable?
i don't want to take the time to post and have the mods use it against me by finally getting the excuse for a banning some of them would dearly love to have.
my c&ps will be restricted to the issue surrounding manos and the modland upheaval. i will respectfully avoid reposting any comments or details that would compromise someone's privacy, etc.
I don't see why they need to be posted, surely you can paraphrase the gist of them.
it's pretty obvious, is it not? this is once again turning into a trial by fire and it doesn't matter what i or shmish have said, we're found guilty of crimes we did not commit while others betray us with their silence or twisted/half-truths and get off scot-free. the lies, myths and conspiracy theories surrounding the whole manos affair keep growing and getting more vindictive with each time this issue arises and it's time to lay it to rest with what exactly went on.
i realize that it's too much to expect everyone
to use some objectivity and reason, and frankly, i really don't care what the lunatics and liars think - they've had their revisionist agenda from the beginning and this likely won't stop it completely, but the bs is now starting to affect the re-telling by those who should know better.
for anyone who is in fact interested in the truth, i will provide what i can with honesty and as much detail as is necessary to give proper context to the issue. it ain't going to happen over-night, i can tell you that much.
I am curious what you are so obviously upset about.
where within my detached and virtual lack of involvement above, is it obvious that i'm "upset"? while i most certainly do have good cause to be angered by the pack of lies and attacks above, i'm not actually. they're bs is becoming all too predictable. and i'm just fed up and resigned to the fact that it doesn't matter what i say
anymore, b/c these circular arguments wind up going nowhere and the tireless, obsessive screamers inevitably get away with their "lynching" (cow's own word and intent wrt to me), while others get elbowed out of the thread, remain understandably uninvolved or start believing those perpetual lies.
ppl what actually went down may be far more convincing than trying to defend myself against the BS. we all know where that lead in the massively unresolved, twisted airconditioning thread.
speaking of which, would pez mind posting or forwarding me those "cliffnotes" she's supposed to have send by PM to others as stated earlier on this or the other roadwarrior thread. interesting.