doodle wrote:Additionally, I will add that it wasn't uncommon for Manos to behave in such a manner with the women on the team. We were mostly discounted in general as mods so it didn't surprise me at all that he found it acceptable to toss us off the team for confronting him about issues that were quite important at that moment.
This one I think I should answer, as cowtown (to whom I have never personally spoken on the topic) seems to have almost covered me on all accounts.
The female moderators that ever showed up on the forum (and that I remember of) are shmishmina, Billet and zara. (If I miss out on anyone, please let me know, I'm a prick).
With Billet, we had a pretty nice cooperation during the fundraiser. Prior to moving to the paid server, we decided to give Billet access to the modland so that she could give us detailed accounts of money received, and so that the mods were perfectly aware of the whole process, since it was real money involved. She eventually stayed on as a mod. We had no personal feuds on the board, apart from one that she claimed I was useless and an arts major because we had issues with paying Canaca (I own a Visa Electron that was obviously not accepted in Canada).
I've trusted Billet with my full name, home address and Visa number. Billet paid back my trust by quitting the forum after the rest of the admins back then refused to throw me out for no apparent reason. That at least isn't misogyny on my part.
She was a moderator for a very long time. Although she was the moderator with the most unneccessary moderating actions in the team, imho, we never told her anything nasty, and I've often stood up for her in the modland. Never openly confronted her until the RW marketing team, when she openly disagreed with a major decision (see III. Zara).
Zara was added as an administrator by the marketing team. The marketing team was intended to be a group of people with suggestions, but 2-3 days after they were formed as a group they already had administrative access. Another person given access at that time was muthafunky. When something bad happened on the forum (the deletion of sensitive data from the server along with a server update which no-one knew who did it), I chose to rid the forum of all unnecessary admins, keeping only me, koolhass, jono (as the original admins) and muthafunky, because I was perfectly sure of his administrative capacity and I trusted him completely on the subject. On the other hand, the rest of the new-found admins remained as mods, which gave them access to edit and delete posts but didn't give them access to ban people. Zara was particularly vocal about this and insisted that she was reinstated as a mod, something I refused because I didn't know her as well and I believed that she had nothing to add to the board as an administrator.
The same happened with RoadWarrior, who was male. It had nothing to do with gender, it was that Zara was suddently an admin, a couple of days later something really bad happens by someone with admin access. I see my action as perfectly reasonable.
Therefore it has nothing to do with misogyny or anything. Whatever I did 'against' them, I did in good faith towards the protection of the board. And in the end, the fact that the board is running today, makes me feel confident that it eventually worked out towards that.
Also, I believe that mutha's actions were right on that day, because the board was utterly confused by the bannings and the public flamings and I guess that it was better that he chose to do away with everyone. Even though in principle I was right and I'm sure that he knows it, as he can understand that you have to make hasty decisions (i.e., deactivating zara/shmish) on message boards.