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Australia's First Ever Black Leader

Post by Argonheart_Po » Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:15 am

Australia's first ever black head of government has been appointed in the Northern Territory.

Australians of all political viewpoints are clapping each other on the back to celebrate this victory for multiculturalism.

Of course - this being Australia - this black man is actually a white man. But we all have to pretend he is black.

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Post by CaptainCourageous » Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:18 am

Argonheart_Po wrote:Australia's first ever black head of government has been appointed in the Northern Territory.

Australians of all political viewpoints are clapping each other on the back to celebrate this victory for multiculturalism.

Of course - this being Australia - this black man is actually a white man. But we all have to pretend he is black.

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This being Australia, we don't call Aborigines black - we say Aboriginal. Or the current word - "indigenous." So, instead of "Australia's first ever black head of government", it should read first indigenous head of government. But yes, you're right, he doesn't "look" Aboriginal. But we don't have to pretend he is Aboriginal/indigenous - he is.

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Re: Australia's First Ever Black Leader

Post by Iolar » Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:24 am

This being Australia, we don't call Aborigines black - we say Aboriginal.


An awful lot of you say "abo". But anything seems to go down there.
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Re: Australia's First Ever Black Leader

Post by Argonheart_Po » Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:29 am

This being Australia, we don't call Aborigines black


Really?

Then what country does the term 'blackfella' come from?

And what does it mean?

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Post by equus » Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:32 am

Argon would prefer we called him a quadroon or some such.
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Post by Argonheart_Po » Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:37 am

Argon would prefer we called him a quadroon or some such.


I don't care what you call him - you're directed to wherever the prevailing PC wind blows you.

But I'd like to be able to call him what he is - a white man - without being taken to court for saying so.

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Re: Australia's First Ever Black Leader

Post by stringer_bell » Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:46 am

Whatever. Second post on this.

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Post by equus » Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:46 am

Argonheart_Po wrote:
Argon would prefer we called him a quadroon or some such.


I don't care what you call him - you're directed to wherever the prevailing PC wind blows you.

But I'd like to be able to call him what he is - a white man - without being taken to court for saying so.

I'll bet you $1000 no one will take you to court for saying he is a white man.
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Post by Bondi » Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:49 am

Argon would like everyone to carry an Ausweise with their colour and racial group clearly marked on it.
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Post by Argonheart_Po » Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:50 am

I'll bet you $1000 no one will take you to court for saying he is a white man.


Is he a white man?

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Re: Australia's First Ever Black Leader

Post by equus » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:19 pm

Argonheart_Po wrote:
I'll bet you $1000 no one will take you to court for saying he is a white man.


Is he a white man?

So you aren't taking the bet then?
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Re: Australia's First Ever Black Leader

Post by Argonheart_Po » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:24 pm

Before I consider that I think I need your opinion - is he a white man? Or maybe he is a black man?

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Post by bojangles » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:37 pm

Or maybe he's both.
That fucks the moron's binary, doesn't it?
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Re: Australia's First Ever Black Leader

Post by equus » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:55 pm

Argonheart_Po wrote:Before I consider that I think I need your opinion - is he a white man? Or maybe he is a black man?

I'm responding to your claim you'll be taken to court for calling him a white man. Go for it. Call him a white man. Do you take the bet or not? You have form in dodging these things so I'm not holding my breath.
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Re: Australia's First Ever Black Leader

Post by pezworld » Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:50 pm

Here we go again.

Didn't Argon actually start the first OP on this recent spate of threads? About a month ago? Or was it someone else?
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Post by thoughtpolice » Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:55 pm

Bondi wrote:Argon would like everyone to carry an Ausweise with their colour and racial group clearly marked on it.

He could take your help with that . let us review the names we've heard from you in that regard: Jap, Wog, Leb, Abo, Wop, Guido.
Have I missed any?

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Post by janieblack » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:25 pm

bojangles wrote:Or maybe he's both.
That fucks the moron's binary, doesn't it?


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Re: Australia's First Ever Black Leader

Post by Argonheart_Po » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:32 pm

Boys or girls...

It's not hard - I say he is a white man. Here in Australia we have to say he is a black man because he says he is a black man despite the fact that he is a white man.

Is that right or wrong?

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Post by snowgirl » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:39 pm

Why would anyone call him a black man if he's Aboriginal? North American Aboriginals don't get called black or white--they get called Aboriginal (by polite people, anyway).
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Post by eric84 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:45 pm

Argonheart_Po wrote:Boys or girls...

It's not hard - I say he is a white man. Here in Australia we have to say he is a black man because he says he is a black man despite the fact that he is a white man.

Is that right or wrong?


You still haven't explained why you 'have' to call him black and whether you're willing to take that thousand dollar bet.
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Re: Australia's First Ever Black Leader

Post by janieblack » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:59 pm

I say he is a white man


Because that is the best metric... what you think he looks like.
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Re: Australia's First Ever Black Leader

Post by i_have_shiny_shoes » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:05 pm

I thought I'd have a quick browse of the newspapers, and I didn't find any of them calling Adam Giles - or telling others to call Adam Giles - black:





Indigenous MPs plotted to install new NT leader Adam Giles:

ABORIGINAL MPs installed Australia's first indigenous head of government Adam Giles in a partyroom coup designed to avert a rival leadership challenge.


Indigenous people applaud Adam Giles's rise:

THE elevation of Adam Giles as the nation's first indigenous leader of a state or territory was hailed yesterday as a watershed by Aboriginal leaders.




Giles named NT's new leader:

Adam Giles has become the first indigenous Australian to become a state or territory leader, after he was elected Chief Minister of the Northern Territory on Wednesday afternoon.




Historic day as Giles made new NT chief:

Adam Giles is the Northern Territory's new chief minister - and Australia's first indigenous head of government - after rolling Terry Mills from the top job.


Terry Mills dumped as NT Chief Minister:

... Once he is sworn in Adam Giles will become the first Aboriginal minister to lead a state or territory.


Indeed, searching google news using the terms "Adam Giles black" returns just one article (from The Australian) referencing race in that respect. The piece notes:

THE elevation of Adam Giles as the nation's first indigenous leader of a state or territory was hailed yesterday as a watershed by Aboriginal leaders.

They said a generation of black people would be galvanised to aspire to positions of power after Mr Giles was installed as Northern Territory Chief Minister in a partyroom coup.


However, if you read the article, you would note that all the quotes they've used from Aboriginal people don't refer to 'black' a single time, and instead they all have used either Aboriginal, indigenous, or both. Which is interesting in itself.
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Re: Australia's First Ever Black Leader

Post by temporaryhandle » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:33 pm

OP is a wanker. Next!

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Post by stringer_bell » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:35 pm

Shiny Shoes - this is not consistent with Stew reality. Therefore it must be false.

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Post by temporaryhandle » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:45 pm

Where were all these rational people during our struggle against Stew reality, Stringer? That is my question for the day.

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Post by flojin » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:57 pm

Argonheart_Po wrote:Australia's first ever black head of government has been appointed in the Northern Territory.


IHSS seems to be right. I can't find any reference anywhere to this guy being black? Are you sure you read that somewhere?
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Post by temporaryhandle » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:59 pm

Sigh - Never mind. I'm not getting caught up in this again.

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Post by AntiFelix » Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:01 pm

He's 6'9".
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Post by muthafunky » Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:29 pm

Are we allowed to comment on the colo(u)r of his hair?

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Post by Flobster » Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:48 pm

By all means. He appears to have black hair, but who knows what product he uses? His skin appears to be a cafe con leche colour, but again, who knows what product he uses? But why would you want to comment on his hair colour when the far more (indeed only, I would have thought, from a non-Australian POV) interesting point about him is that he is indigenous.
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Post by CaptainCourageous » Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:35 am

Argonheart_Po wrote: this black man is actually a white man.

Before I consider that I think I need your opinion - is he a white man? Or maybe he is a black man?


Many moons ago he would have been described as "having a touch of the tarbrush"

Identifying oneself as Aboriginal (or Indigenous) has nothing to do with skin colour. There's a good article here Aboriginal Identity: Who is ‘Aboriginal’?

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Post by muthafunky » Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:44 am

The gift that keeps on giving.

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If you're amused by people making reasonable responses to a silly post, I envy you.
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Post by eric84 » Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:55 am

muthafunky wrote:The gift that keeps on giving.


You haven't been reading it then
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Post by pezworld » Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:19 am

muthafunky wrote:The gift that keeps on giving.

Argon did start the other OP that started this series, too. Minstrel something, about a month or more ago.
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Post by muthafunky » Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:38 am

I'm just amazed at the bites he keeps on getting.

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Your ideal branch would be one where no-one responded to any OP?
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Post by eric84 » Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:49 am

Yes, it's a sign of weakness when you respond and show how wrong the OP is. Admin wisdom
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Post by Steve_in_Exile » Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:55 am

So he's not "black", but is he aboriginal? According to the wiki article on him, he has aboriginal blood through his paternal grandmother, so at most 1/4 aboriginal. By my calculations, that makes him at least 3/4 white. And his parents divorced, so he actually grew up with 2 white parents--I'm not sure from what age.

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Post by EMG » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:17 am

snowgirl wrote:Why would anyone call him a black man if he's Aboriginal? North American Aboriginals don't get called black or white--they get called Aboriginal (by polite people, anyway).



No they don't. No one uses the term Aboriginal in North America.

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Post by eric84 » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:33 am

EMG wrote:
snowgirl wrote:Why would anyone call him a black man if he's Aboriginal? North American Aboriginals don't get called black or white--they get called Aboriginal (by polite people, anyway).



No they don't. No one uses the term Aboriginal in North America.


In Canada, they do. Native and Indian more common in Amerikkka
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I don't think any patently-ridiculous assertion has gotten so much mileage here since "The vagina is a like a self-cleaning oven."
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Post by EMG » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:36 am

eric84 wrote:
EMG wrote:
snowgirl wrote:Why would anyone call him a black man if he's Aboriginal? North American Aboriginals don't get called black or white--they get called Aboriginal (by polite people, anyway).



No they don't. No one uses the term Aboriginal in North America.


In Canada, they do. Native and Indian more common in Amerikkka


Maybe, but when people talk about North America, they mean the part of it that matters.

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Post by eric84 » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:41 am

Your way of admitting an error, I suppose
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Post by AntiFelix » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:42 am

I thought they were First Nations in Canada. Did the Committee decide that this was offensive?
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Post by EMG » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:46 am

Yes, Eric, your 15% of the N. American population is very relevant. Especially the 15% of them who don't refer to them as First Nations or Indians anymore.

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Post by Flobster » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:46 am

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Post by eric84 » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:47 am

FN is generally reserved for on reserve aboriginals. Aboriginal is more all encompassing. No one takes offence to either term.
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Post by Flobster » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:57 am

AntiFelix wrote:I thought they were First Nations in Canada. Did the Committee decide that this was offensive?


Felix, this sneer rests on the assumption that there is a non-socially-generated "correct" term for describing groups of people. Tpat isn't the case. All descriptions of groups of peoples have social origins.
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Post by matt_melb » Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:35 am

Can one of the Americans tell me (because I can't be bothered googling) - which was the first American State to have someone with Native American heritage as Governor, and when?

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