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Post by Argonheart_Po » Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:34 am

I hope this despicable murder, by professional barbarians, has severe consequences for Saudi Arabia.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45775819
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Post by LonelyTeaPot » Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:56 am

Nothing will ever have consequences for Saudi Arabia as long as we need their oil and gas.

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Post by dBrother » Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:56 am

The embassy is Saudi territory, not much you can really do about it.
I'd think twice before going for a Saudi Visa though..
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Post by Shavenhead » Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:50 am

Do we have official confirmation that he's dead yet?
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Post by Iolar » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:11 am

Shavenhead wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:50 am
Do we have official confirmation that he's dead yet?
It's being released in bits and pieces.
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Post by Shavenhead » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:41 am

Did they behead him in the Embassy in Istanbul.
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Post by Argonheart_Po » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:45 am

Iolar wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:11 am
Shavenhead wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:50 am
Do we have official confirmation that he's dead yet?
It's being released in bits and pieces.
He was dismembered.

So they say.

That’s your joke. Right?
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Post by Iolar » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:48 am

Are you upset, snowflake?
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Post by Argonheart_Po » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:52 am

It could be worse, almost ever Irish orphan who ever walked into a government building was raped and then murdered.
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Post by Iolar » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:57 am

Why do you consistently make things up, snowflake?
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Post by Argonheart_Po » Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:23 am

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It could be worse, almost ever Irish orphan who ever walked into a government building was raped and then murdered.
Then they stuffed them in the septic tanks.

Do you think that’s what happened here?

Perhaps the Saudis asked the Irish how to hide bodies, you being the world experts and all. But those were little bodies weren’t they.
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Post by Iolar » Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:33 am

Ahhh, poor little snowflake.
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Post by Argonheart_Po » Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:35 am

That’s your best reply?
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Post by Iolar » Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:37 am

That's yours, snowflake? You've made your thread about me. You're not very bright, are you?
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Post by Argonheart_Po » Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:43 am

Argonheart_Po wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:35 am
That’s your best reply?
It was.
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Post by Iolar » Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:48 am

You seem upset, snowflake.
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Post by LonelyTeaPot » Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:28 am

By the way, what has become of the Canada thing? Is Saudi Arabia still boycotting Canada in retaliation for the Foreign Affairs Minister's criticism of the human rights situation in KSA?

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Post by Shavenhead » Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:42 am

I'm really interested to know what they've done with Kashoggi's head.
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Post by LonelyTeaPot » Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:57 am

It will be displayed on a spike on King Fahd Causeway.

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Post by dBrother » Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:13 pm

fuck me, has iolar gone and triggered argopoo??
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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:45 pm

Seems like it.

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Post by 2wilzgood » Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:47 pm

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Post by jedgarandclyde » Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:20 am

We will leave Trump and the US out of this shall we?
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Post by 5waldos » Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:47 am

jedgarandclyde wrote:We will leave Trump and the US out of this shall we?
He is far too busy discussing Taylor Swift.

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Post by cuchulainn » Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:21 am

Saudi Arabia is our ally! I can’t believe those fine people would do such a thing.
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Post by Bill Barilko » Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:14 am

This is what happens when a KSA vet like American Joe is banned by church lady vermin.
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Post by Shavenhead » Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:23 am

The official Turkish line is that the killing was undertaken by a 15 man Saudi team who's arrival at the Saudi Embassy in Istanbul coincided with Khashoggi's arrival.

One can only assume that a fifteen man team was required for the cutting away of various body parts - most likely whilst Khashoggi was still alive.

Word on the street is that his severed head was placed in an ornate porcelain box, and delivered to Prince Salman. The rest of the body parts were dispatched to Riyadh in diplomatic bags.

Seems Prince Salman already has an extensive collection of severed heads ranging from Houthi warlords killed on the battlefield in Yemen, to local Shia dissidents.
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Post by Muggles » Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:34 am

Where do you get your news from Sir! That's mighty controversial. Please post a link ir reference if you have one as I would like to study the source.

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Post by SkinnyPuppy » Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:48 am

dBrother wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:56 am
The embassy is Saudi territory, not much you can really do about it.
I'd think twice before going for a Saudi Visa though..
Bullshit embassies are not national territory and this was in a consulate

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Post by Shavenhead » Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:53 pm

Muggles wrote:
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Where do you get your news from Sir! That's mighty controversial. Please post a link ir reference if you have one as I would like to study the source.
This was from my contact at Turkish Intelligence.
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Post by dBrother » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:21 pm

Shavenhead wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:23 am
The official Turkish line is that the killing was undertaken by a 15 man Saudi team who's arrival at the Saudi Embassy in Istanbul coincided with Khashoggi's arrival.

One can only assume that a fifteen man team was required for the cutting away of various body parts - most likely whilst Khashoggi was still alive.

Word on the street is that his severed head was placed in an ornate porcelain box, and delivered to Prince Salman. The rest of the body parts were dispatched to Riyadh in diplomatic bags.

Seems Prince Salman already has an extensive collection of severed heads ranging from Houthi warlords killed on the battlefield in Yemen, to local Shia dissidents.
thats pretty cool to see them keeping medieval culture alive and well like that, how much of him was left before the life finally left his eyes do you reckon??
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Post by Shavenhead » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:32 pm

Dbro, first of all, apologies. I erred when i referred to Crown Prince Salman - clearly that should read Crown Prince Mohammed, who mostly rules the roost these days at the House of Saud Grande Shoura.

As per latest reports from the BBC, Turkish intelligence are about to enter the consulate in search of Khashoggi, or any traces of him, though I'm guessing the fifteen man chop squad would have included a 3 man hoover team to make sure all traces are sucked out of the ornate oriental carpets that adorn the Consulate.
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Post by dBrother » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:51 pm

I think it's safe to assume they know bleach destroys DNA evedence..
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As far as I can see you predate the news sites with that info shavenhead..
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Post by VinnyD » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:56 pm

The radio tells me that one member of the 15-man squad that flew in and out included an expert on autopsies, presumably for dismemberment, and a forensics expert, presumably in the Harvey Keitel role from Pulp Fiction.

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Post by snowgirl » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:03 pm

It's so terrible when governments kill journalists. You clearly have a lot to hide when a journalist is such a threat s/he needs to be killed. I hope the Saudis are held to account for this (but I won't hold my breath).
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Post by Iolar » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:08 pm

The Saudis (as well as the Russians) don't even care enough to complete these supposed covert missions in a professional manner. They're essentially trolling NATO. "Look what our bungling idiots can do under your noses!"
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Post by GayTurk_Izmir » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:11 pm

The embassy is located in Ankara,The one in Istanbul is a consulate.
What I do not understand is what he was doing there.He is a dissident/ opponent of the Saudi Government. Everyone knows that diplomatic missions have immunity so if anything happens to him inside the grounds of the consulate the Turkish government would not be able to intervene.
Why would an opponent go there all by himself,rather idiotic,don't you think so ?
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Post by VinnyD » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:28 pm

He went in to get a paper he needed in order to marry, according to reports. His fiancée waited outside, probably a wise decision, unless she was not allowed in.

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Post by Chip_Oatley » Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:53 am

Yes, to get the papers to marry. And his fiancée is Turkish.

Did Jared give his pal, the crown prince, intel needed to trap Khashoggi?
Was Trump complicit?

Crown prince sought to lure Khashoggi back to Saudi Arabia and detain him, U.S. intercepts show

Jamal Khashoggi with his fiancee, Hatice Cengiz. (Courtesy of Hatice Cengiz)
By Shane Harris October 10 at 8:16 PM
The crown prince of Saudi Arabia, Mohammed bin Salman, ordered an operation to lure Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi back to Saudi Arabia from his home in Virginia and then detain him, according to U.S. intelligence intercepts of Saudi officials discussing the plan.

The intelligence, described by U.S. officials familiar with it, is another piece of evidence implicating the Saudi regime in Khashoggi’s disappearance last week after he entered the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul. Turkish officials say that a Saudi security team lay in wait for the journalist and killed him.

Khashoggi was a prominent critic of the Saudi government and Mohammed in particular. Several of Khashoggi’s friends said that over the past four months, senior Saudi officials close to the crown prince had called Khashoggi to offer him protection, and even a high-level job working for the government, if he returned to his home country.

Khashoggi, however, was skeptical of the offers. He told one friend that the Saudi government would never make good on its promises not to harm him.

[Saudis are said to have lain in wait for Jamal Khashoggi]

“He said: ‘Are you kidding? I don’t trust them one bit,’ ” said Khaled Saffuri, an Arab American political activist, recounting a conversation he had with Khashoggi in May, moments after Khashoggi had received a call from Saud al-Qahtani, an adviser to the royal court.

Video claims to show chain of events in Istanbul on day of Khashoggi's disappearance
A video obtained by The Washington Post purports to show events in Istanbul on the day journalist Jamal Khashoggi disappeared. (The Washington Post)

The intelligence pointing to a plan to detain Khashoggi in Saudi Arabia has fueled speculation by officials and analysts in multiple countries that what transpired at the consulate was a backup plan to capture Khashoggi that may have gone wrong.

A former U.S. intelligence official — who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive matter — noted that the details of the operation, which involved sending two teams totaling 15 men, in two private aircraft arriving and departing Turkey at different times, bore the hallmarks of a “rendition,” in which someone is extra­legally removed from one country and deposited for interrogation in another.

But Turkish officials have concluded that whatever the intent of the operation, Khashoggi was killed inside the consulate. Investigators have not found his body, but Turkish officials have released video surveillance footage of Khashoggi entering the consulate on the afternoon of Oct. 2. There is no footage that shows him leaving, they said.

The intelligence about Saudi Arabia’s earlier plans to detain Khashoggi have raised questions about whether the Trump administration should have warned the journalist that he might be in danger.

Intelligence agencies have a “duty to warn” people who might be kidnapped, seriously injured or killed, according to a directive signed in 2015. The obligation applies regardless of whether the person is a U.S. citizen. Khashoggi was a U.S. resident.

Jamal Khashoggi supporters urge Trump administration to investigate disappearance
Supporters of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi, who disappeared Oct. 2 at a Saudi consulate, urged the federal government to investigate on Oct. 10. (Video: Joyce Koh /Photo: Matt McClain/The Washington Post)

[Missing journalist’s fiancee demands to know: ‘Where is Jamal?’]

“Duty to warn applies if harm is intended toward an individual,” said a former senior intelligence official. But that duty also depends on whether the intelligence clearly indicated Khashoggi was in danger, the former official said.

“Capturing him, which could have been interpreted as arresting him, would not have triggered a duty-to-warn obligation,” the former official said. “If something in the reported intercept indicated that violence was planned, then, yes, he should have been warned.”

The Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which oversees the warning process, declined to comment on whether Khashoggi had been contacted.

Administration officials have not commented on the intelligence reports that showed a Saudi plan to lure Khashoggi.

“Though I cannot comment on intelligence matters, I can say definitively the United States had no advance knowledge of [Khashoggi’s] disappearance,” deputy State Department spokesman Robert Palladino told reporters Wednesday. Asked whether the U.S. government would have had a duty to warn Khashoggi if it possessed information that he was in jeopardy, Palladino declined to answer what he called a “hypothetical question.”

It was not clear to officials with knowledge of the intelligence whether the Saudis discussed harming Khashoggi as part of the plan to detain him in Saudi Arabia.

But the intelligence had been disseminated throughout the U.S. government and was contained in reports that are routinely available to people working on U.S. policy toward Saudi Arabia or related issues, one U.S. official said.

The intelligence poses a political problem for the Trump administration because it implicates Mohammed, who is particularly close to Jared Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser.

On Wednesday, Kushner and national security adviser John Bolton spoke by phone with the crown prince, but White House officials said the Saudis provided little information.

Trump has grown frustrated, two officials said, after initially reacting slowly to Khashoggi’s disappearance. Earlier this week, he said he had no information about what had happened to the journalist.

White House officials have begun discussing how to force Saudi Arabia to provide answers and what punishment could be meted out if the government there is found responsible.

Lawmakers on Capitol Hill have reacted harshly to the disappearance. On Wednesday, a bipartisan group of senators asked Trump to impose sanctions on anyone found responsible for Khashoggi’s disappearance, including Saudi leaders.

Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), perhaps the president’s closest ally in the Senate, predicted a “bipartisan tsunami” of action if the Saudis were involved and said that Khashoggi’s death could alter the nature of relations between the two countries.

Kushner’s relationship with Mohammed, known within national security agencies by the initials MBS, has long been the subject of suspicion by some American intelligence officials.

Kushner and Mohammed have had private, one-on-one phone calls that were not always set up through normal channels so the conversations could be memorialized and Kushner could be properly briefed.

For all his criticism of the Saudi regime, Khashoggi was not always opposed to Mohammed’s policies. Khashoggi credited the young leader for what he saw as positive changes, including loosening Saudi cultural restrictions.

Khashoggi often expressed affection for his homeland, even while saying he did not believe it was safe for him. One person in contact with the crown prince, speaking on the condition of anonymity to preserve the relationship, said Khashoggi last year asked him to give a message to Mohammed saying he needed someone like Khashoggi as an adviser.

When he transmitted the message, this person said, the crown prince said that Khashoggi was tied to the Muslim Brotherhood and to Qatar, both Saudi adversaries, and that the arrangement would never happen.

Two other friends of Khashoggi said that at least twice he received cordial phone calls from Qahtani, the adviser to the prince, conveying friendly messages on his behalf.

In one of the calls, in September 2017, Qahtani said that Mohammed had been “very happy” to see Khashoggi post a message praising the kingdom after the government announced it was lifting a driving ban on women, according to one of the friends, who was with Khashoggi at the time. The tone of the call was pleasant, but Khashoggi also told Qahtani he would praise the government when there were “positive developments. When there are bad things, I will speak up.”

He spent the rest of the call advocating on behalf of several recently imprisoned critics of the regime.

A friend also said that Khashoggi told him he had been approached several times by a businessman close to the Saudi ruling family. The businessman, whom Khashoggi did not name, seemed “keen” to see him every time he visited Washington and told Khashoggi that he would work with the Saudi authorities to arrange his return, the friend said.

Kareem Fahim and Loveday Morris in Istanbul and Josh Dawsey, Karoun Demirjian, Karen DeYoung and Carol Morello in Washington contributed to this report.

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GayTurk_Izmir wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:11 pm
The embassy is located in Ankara,The one in Istanbul is a consulate.
What I do not understand is what he was doing there.He is a dissident/ opponent of the Saudi Government. Everyone knows that diplomatic missions have immunity so if anything happens to him inside the grounds of the consulate the Turkish government would not be able to intervene.
Why would an opponent go there all by himself,rather idiotic,don't you think so ?
The 15 men squad could have been the ''cleaners'' and the torturers for all I know.
Yes I agree, idiotic. How is it even possible a dissident like him could be lured into dangerous territory so easily? He's not the first and I hardly keep track of this sort of thing. Those functionaries must be able to spin quite a tale to entice them back into a controlled space like that.

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Post by Chip_Oatley » Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:48 am

A previous WAPO article stated that he'd been there once before and was "treated well." Obviously a set up.

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Re: our android "hidden genius" Jared Kushner:

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Post by andybox » Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:58 am

So he was a US permanent resident? Those vans that were filmed leaving, is there footage of people getting into, or leaving, those vans? Why did the second plane travel back to Riyadh via Cairo?
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Post by rosstralia » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:57 am

dBrother wrote:
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The embassy is Saudi territory, not much you can really do about it.
I'd think twice before going for a Saudi Visa though..
I was thinking of going there on my next loser tourist backpacking trip. There is some place there thats similar to Petra but has f#ck all visitors.

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Post by andybox » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:02 am

Hey Ross, go check it out. Fly into Dahrahn, take the train to Riyadh. Check out Batha souk, the Afghan Quarter and the bottle opener. Vinny has been to the place you mentioned, if you can get to Tabuk base yourself there for a few jaunts down to the Red Sea Coast. If you make it to Mecca, you’ll achieve Platinum backpacker status.
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Hands have been clenched in a fist too long.

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Re: Jamal Khashoggi

Post by Argonheart_Po » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:12 am

A Killing Joke reference.

Like it.
“We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honour and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and bid the geldings be fruitful.” —C.S. Lewis

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Re: Jamal Khashoggi

Post by dBrother » Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:25 am

andybox wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:02 am
Hey Ross, go check it out. Fly into Dahrahn, take the train to Riyadh. Check out Batha souk, the Afghan Quarter and the bottle opener. Vinny has been to the place you mentioned, if you can get to Tabuk base yourself there for a few jaunts down to the Red Sea Coast. If you make it to Mecca, you’ll achieve Platinum backpacker status.
mecca should be easy easy, just go through the motions and become a muslim, is easy process, then you can go mecca.

then just renounce islam when you leave.
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