Dangerous time to be a man.

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Post by Steve_in_Exile » Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:33 pm

Paddox, I don't know enough about his judicial record to know if he was the best candidate or not, honestly. I didn't particularly like his demeanor. But I'm glad that unsubstantiated sexual assault charges didn't derail his nomination.

Maybe if phony sexual assault charges hadn't dominated the confirmation hearing, we would have heard more about his record. That would have been nice.

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Post by VinnyD » Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:37 pm

Steve, do the sentences handed down in the two cases in the OP seem appropriate to you?

Do you think that now is a particularly dangerous time to be a man?

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Post by strife » Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:37 pm

Steve_in_Exile wrote:
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Maybe if phony sexual assault charges hadn't dominated the confirmation hearing, we would have heard more about his record. That would have been nice.
His jurisprudence is public record.
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Post by Steve_in_Exile » Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:44 pm

I haven't read the cases and don't have an opinion on whether or not the sentences were appropriate.

Now is the safest time in the history of humanity to be either a man or a woman.

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Post by Steve_in_Exile » Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:21 pm

strife wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:37 pm
His jurisprudence is public record
Of course it is, but still would have been nice to it discussed in the hearing, though woudn't have been as entertaining as what we got.

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Post by VinnyD » Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:26 pm

It was discussed. You weren't paying attention.

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Post by Godjira » Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:54 pm

Steve_in_Exile wrote:Paddox, I don't know enough about his judicial record to know if he was the best candidate or not, honestly.
You could probably find all that online.
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Post by strife » Mon Oct 08, 2018 3:20 pm

Steve_in_Exile wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:21 pm
strife wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:37 pm
His jurisprudence is public record
Of course it is, but still would have been nice to it discussed in the hearing, though woudn't have been as entertaining as what we got.
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Post by VinnyD » Mon Oct 08, 2018 3:32 pm

There were extensive hearings on all the usual subjects including his record. Then the Ford story went public, there was an additional day of testimony, and Flake voted to confirm the nomination and so get it out of committee, but with an agreement that there would be a brief FBI investigation into the allegations.

Steve says he would have been interested in a hearing about his record. But apparently when it was going on, he wasn't interested enough to find C-SPAN.

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Post by Godjira » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:02 am

Not one Kavanaugh supporter on here has been able to give one reason why they support him, aside from “he really cheeses people off!!”
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Post by VinnyD » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:07 am

I think the liberatrians among us want women who have abortions to be put to death.

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Post by Lost Soul » Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:52 pm

Roe will remain the law, you lying Dumbocrat (redundant).
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Post by incognita » Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:58 pm

Roe will become moot as SCOTUS upholds laws that make it impossible for women to get the reproductive health care they need. The US already has the highest maternal mortality rate in the industrialized world, it will only get worse.
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Post by VinnyD » Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:25 pm

Would you like Roe to remain the law, LS?

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Post by Lost Soul » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:24 am

VinnyD wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:25 pm
Would you like Roe to remain the law, LS?
I would have preferred that sometime in the last 45 years, some (any) useless Congress would have codified federal abortion law into a law, even if they only applied the 10th Amendment.

And it's not that the Dumbs didn't have a chance. Only nine years ago they could have written the law to match the fantasy court that thought up Roe out of thin air. They also could have done it during the Carter years, and probably the Ford and Nixon years as well. Also, the first two years of Bubba found the Dumbs owning the House, Senate and POTUS.

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Post by VinnyD » Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:14 am

You think Congress should have made all abortion a federal crime (as it has done with certain late-term abortions — of course paying no attention to states' rights, in the typical Republican manner)?

If not that, what do you mean? Federal abortion law has been codified. Certain procedures are against federal law, even if the doctor and the woman agree that they are the best in the circumstances. Others are not.

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Post by Godjira » Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:21 pm

I think what Sloosey is trying to say is that the provisions of Roe v Wade should have been codified into law.

Without getting into specifics, that 1st and 2nd trimester abortions on demand be guaranteed by law.
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Post by VinnyD » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:56 pm

He will have to explain what he thinks Congress should have done.

Passed a law making third trimester abortions a federal crime, but not making abortions in the first two trimesters a federal crime?

Passed a law saying that even if Roe v Wade is overturned, no state will have the power to criminalize abortions? He can't possibly think that Congress has the power to do that, can he?

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Post by Godjira » Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:55 pm

Maybe that 1st and 2nd trimester abortions are legal and that 3rd are legal but can be regulated by the states.

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Post by VinnyD » Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:02 pm

Congress generally can't tell the states what to makr legal or illegal under state law.

The exceptions would be if it is tied to federal funding. You don't get highway funds unless you make driving over 0.08 blood alcohol a crime.

The Supreme Court, on the other hand, can say that a certain state (or federal) law violates the Constitution and is invalid.

Thee is no reason to make late-term abortions a federal crime. Unlike smuggling or counterfeiting, for example, there is no particular federal interest. And certainly a libertarian believer in states' rights like LS would not be advocating such a thing.

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Post by Godjira » Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:05 pm

I see. Well, it might be that he believes it should be entirely up to the states and that pregnant 15 year old girls in Alabama can easily travel to New York should those states ban and keep abortion legal, respectively.

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Post by VinnyD » Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:14 pm

That is why states like Alabama will criminalize abortion as soon as the Supreme Court allows them to. The well-off white guys in the legislature will know that their daughters can always go to Maryland or NY if they get knocked up. Wives too, once they have as many children as they want.

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Post by Lost Soul » Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:40 am

VinnyD wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:02 pm
Congress generally can't tell the states what to makr legal or illegal under state law.
Bullshit. They do it all the time.
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Post by VinnyD » Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:30 am

Give me an example or two of Congress telling the states that X cannot be illegal.

And also, tell me what you think Congrss should do now. Tell the states (unconstitutionally) thqt they cannot criminalize abortion in the first two trimesters even if Roe is overturned? If not that, what?

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Post by Chip_Oatley » Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:17 pm

Keep an eye on Ashley Estes Kavanaugh in this video:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1050302306556829696

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