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Post by Godjira » Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:13 am

Looks like the rightards are back to harassing gays:

WASHINGTON — The Trump administration will no longer issue family visas to same-sex domestic partners of foreign diplomats or employees of international organizations who work in the United States, State Department officials said on Tuesday.

The shift drew sharp criticism from gay rights advocates, including those who work for the United Nations and could be affected. It also applies to people working in the United States for the World Bank, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and other groups.

The changes took effect on Monday. United Nations employees were notified in a memo last month that only married same-sex partners seeking to accompany newly arrived officials to the United States would be eligible for a G-4 visa.

Under the new State Department rules, foreign couples will need to present proof of marriage to obtain the diplomatic family visas. But only a small number of the United Nations’s 193 member states have legalized same-sex marriage. If necessary, the State Department officials said, legal workarounds could be discussed on a case-by-case basis for couples who are barred from marrying in their home countries.

The visas are issued to family members and dependents of diplomats and employees of international organizations, and had been given to domestic same-sex partners as well as formally married couples during the Obama administration.

Same-sex domestic partners of diplomats and workers who already have a G family visa must submit proof of marriage by the end of the year to qualify for a renewal. If a couple cannot submit proof of marriage, the partner will have to leave the United States within 30 days of the year-end deadline, the United Nations memo said.

The G category of visas is issued to almost all foreign diplomats, government officials and employees working for international organizations in the United States, as well as their dependents.

State Department officials who briefed journalists on Tuesday on condition of anonymity said the rule change affected about 105 families of foreign envoys and employees in the United States — 55 with international organizations and the rest at embassies and other diplomatic missions.

Critics called the new policy discriminatory, warning that many foreigners would not come to the United States to work if their partners were unable to obtain a diplomatic visa to accompany them.

Alfonso Nam, the president of U.N. Globe, a gay rights advocacy organization for United Nations employees, said the policy would raise concerns among future United Nations employees, particularly those from countries hostile to gay, lesbian and transgender people.

“For same-sex couples serving the U.N., the U.S. is usually a desired destination for work,” Mr. Nam said. “It’s a place where you are able to bring your legal partner and get a visa.”

“Whether that will continue to remain the same is to be seen,” he added.

Fabrice Houdart, who works for the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights at the United Nations, said he attended a wedding in Washington last week of a French couple that rushed to marry for fear of being split up by the new policy.

“In the past, people who would obtain a job at the headquarters of the World Bank, the I.M.F. and the U.N. would make the decision to give up their relationship,” said Mr. Houdart, who formerly led a gay rights group at the World Bank. He said the new policy “doesn’t recognize the fact that L.G.B.T.I. people remain a persecuted people around the world.”

The policy change was first raised in an internal State Department memo dated July 20, according to an Aug. 2 report by The Washington Blade.

According to the United Nations memo, which was dated Sept. 13, the State Department has not issued G-4 family visas to heterosexual domestic partners since 2009. But they do not face obstacles to marriage in many foreign nations in the way same-sex domestic partners do.

Samantha Power, a Harvard professor and former United States ambassador to the United Nations, wrote on Twitter on Saturday that the new policy was “needlessly cruel & bigoted,” and noted that only 12 percent of United Nations member states permit same-sex marriage.

Ms. Power’s comments followed a tweet on Friday from the account of the independent news organization PassBlue that revealed concerns within the United Nations.

State Department officials said on Tuesday that the change seeks to make the visa process consistent with internal policies for American employees with same-sex partners. As of Monday, all couples in the department must be married to receive family benefits, including diplomatic passports and diplomatic immunity.

In 2015, the Supreme Court ruled 5 to 4 that same-sex marriage was a nationwide right, which has led to changes in workplace policies on family benefits. Foreign couples who marry in the United States would qualify the employee’s partner for a diplomatic family visa, the State Department officials said.

Additionally, if other nations offer visas to same-sex domestic partners assigned to American embassies and missions abroad, the United States could reciprocate for those countries’ citizens, the officials said.

In recent years, the United States has posted several openly gay people to important ambassadorships. The most recent is Richard Grenell, the current ambassador to Germany, who was confirmed by the Senate in April. Mr. Grenell’s longtime partner, Matthew Lashey, accompanied him to Germany.

Former President Barack Obama appointed the veteran diplomat Ted Osius to Vietnam, where he lived with his spouse, Clayton Bond, a State Department employee at the time. The two have since resigned and live in Ho Chi Minh City with their two young children.

A State Department directive issued in 2010 stated that United States missions should ask foreign nations to provide visas to all same-sex partners of American diplomats.

However, according to that policy, American embassies should not approach host governments if the request for visas “would do more harm than good” and prevent the partner from being able to accompany the diplomat.

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Post by birdlite » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:46 am

Pence has been busy looking for a distraction to please the boss and make this administration even more heartless.

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Post by guruwil » Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:40 am

Assuming that visas are granted to heterosexual unmarried domestic partners this is totally discriminatory and yes I would be looking at Pence.
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Post by Argonheart_Po » Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:16 am

It’s horrible.

And also evil genius. Because it’s going to drive you nuts even crazier and every time you idiots go spastic, it costs the left and the moderates.

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Post by Argonheart_Po » Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:30 am

You can bet they have some awful human who is a gay partner being already lined up to use their example.

Trumpets: Look this vile creature who said/did xxxxxxx and the left want him to be allowed to live here?

The Modern Left (driven even more stupid): Yes! Yes we do!...She mammoth assaults policeman while dressed in pink tutu.

Trumpets: *smirk*
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Post by guruwil » Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:45 am

Argonheart_Po wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:16 am
It’s horrible.

And also evil genius. Because it’s going to drive you nuts even crazier and every time you idiots go spastic, it costs the left and the moderates.

You’re caught in a trap
You can't walk out
Because you hate Trump too much, baby
Your chiropractor must make a fortune untwisting the knots you get yourself into.
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Post by Godjira » Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:52 am

We must ignore when Trump violates our civil liberties; it only encourages him. That's why the GOP leadership love him.

Considering Trump's doglike desire to be loved, though- especially by the press- he's probably trolling himself the most.
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Post by Argonheart_Po » Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:05 am

guruwil wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:45 am
Argonheart_Po wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:16 am
It’s horrible.

And also evil genius. Because it’s going to drive you nuts even crazier and every time you idiots go spastic, it costs the left and the moderates.

You’re caught in a trap
You can't walk out
Because you hate Trump too much, baby
Your chiropractor must make a fortune untwisting the knots you get yourself into.

I think you’re probably quite smart. But you fail to notice the traps the Trumpets set. You guys willingly fall in. Every time. How many times have I posted about it, before it happens? Heaps. But you can’t help yourselves. I know you enjoy feeling self-righteous and angry. Get a grip dummies.

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Post by Godjira » Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:18 am

So, you mean that when he does something shitty, we should all just ignore it?
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Post by strife » Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:23 am

guruwil wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:40 am
Assuming that visas are granted to heterosexual unmarried domestic partners this is totally discriminatory and yes I would be looking at Pence.
They aren't.

Facially, the policy is non-discriminatory. In effect, and no doubt intent, it is discriminatory. Worse, it is completely unnecessary, a change in policy motivated by animus that doesn't address any existing problem.
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Post by strife » Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:29 am

Of course, foreign diplomats could simply marry their partners in DC now, and use that to qualify for the spouse's G-4.
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Post by Argonheart_Po » Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:35 am

Godjira wrote:
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So, you mean that when he does something shitty, we should all just ignore it?
That’s the thing isn’t it.

This is obnoxious.

What will you all do?

Act like spasticated retards as you have over Kavanaugh? Or persistently, moderately and throughly state you positions?

All the left has to do to win is not be crazy etc.
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Post by Godjira » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:04 am

I think people are acting quite moderately given the situation, in fact. That's how bad Trump is.

I am sure you realize that and that is why you seem to be asking us to ignore him. It makes sense, though- If the leader of the left were as horrible as Trump, I would want you to ignore them too!

With Kavanaugh, like 50% of independents didn’t want him approved and 35% did. That’s pretty remarkable for a SC Justice, and independents lean right. So, really, the outcry was reasonable.
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Post by Argonheart_Po » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:16 am

There’s been a six point drop in Dem enthusiasm and a resurgent in Rep enthusiasm because of Kavanaugh.

Look - just don’t be crazy. You’ll win. You’ll smash Trump.

But so far, you can’t even do that.
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Post by Godjira » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:31 am

Link?

Republicans are taking it deep, but no one else. One poll gives Trump a “spike” to 33% approval among independents.

Republicans might be driven to the polls, but women will too. It’ll be exciting!
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Post by guruwil » Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:32 pm

Argonheart_Po wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:05 am
guruwil wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:45 am
Argonheart_Po wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:16 am
It’s horrible.

And also evil genius. Because it’s going to drive you nuts even crazier and every time you idiots go spastic, it costs the left and the moderates.

You’re caught in a trap
You can't walk out
Because you hate Trump too much, baby
Your chiropractor must make a fortune untwisting the knots you get yourself into.
And chiro is a scam.
Oh for sure, but totally appropriate for your ailment
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Argonheart_Po wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:16 am
It’s horrible.

And also evil genius. Because it’s going to drive you nuts even crazier and every time you idiots go spastic, it costs the left and the moderates.

You’re caught in a trap
You can't walk out
Because you hate Trump too much, baby
These aren’t traps, these are genuine policies and traits supported by the right. You know that, but the trap spin gives you ammunition against the left in here.
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Post by Argonheart_Po » Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:01 pm

Wrong.

They’re traps.

If and when the left turn into hair-pulling autistic screechers again the Trumpets or a court will turn it around. It’s obnoxious and malevolent, horrible.

All the left have to do to beat him is not be crazy. But you can’t even manage that.
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Argonheart_Po wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:01 pm
Wrong.

They’re traps.

If and when the left turn into hair-pulling autistic screechers again the Trumpets or a court will turn it around. It’s obnoxious and malevolent, horrible.

All the left have to do to beat him is not be crazy. But you can’t even manage that.
Its not a trap at all. It’s a genuine trait or trump and his band of voters. They’re silently smirking and applauding these policies. It’s discrimination and his base will lap it up. What does that tell you?
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Post by strife » Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:19 pm

andybox wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:17 pm
Argonheart_Po wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:01 pm
Wrong.

They’re traps.

If and when the left turn into hair-pulling autistic screechers again the Trumpets or a court will turn it around. It’s obnoxious and malevolent, horrible.

All the left have to do to beat him is not be crazy. But you can’t even manage that.
Its not a trap at all. It’s a genuine trait or trump and his band of voters. They’re silently smirking and applauding these policies. It’s discrimination and his base will lap it up. What does that tell you?
He doesn't care, so long as it makes people angry. This is the utter emptiness, the vapidity, of Trumpism and Varmint Power.
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Post by Argonheart_Po » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:09 pm

And the vast majority posters here are my opposite.

Pallid, watery, colourless group-thinkers.
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Post by andybox » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:34 pm

andybox wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:17 pm
Argonheart_Po wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:01 pm
Wrong.

They’re traps.

If and when the left turn into hair-pulling autistic screechers again the Trumpets or a court will turn it around. It’s obnoxious and malevolent, horrible.

All the left have to do to beat him is not be crazy. But you can’t even manage that.
Its not a trap at all. It’s a genuine trait or trump and his band of voters. They’re silently smirking and applauding these policies. It’s discrimination and his base will lap it up. What does that tell you?
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Post by temporaryhandle2 » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:53 pm

Argonheart_Po wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:16 am
It’s horrible.

And also evil genius. Because it’s going to drive you nuts even crazier and every time you idiots go spastic, it costs the left and the moderates.

You’re caught in a trap
You can't walk out
Because you hate Trump too much, baby
After watching the Kavanaugh debacle, I actually think I agree on this. Every time the Democrats try to take this Administration on, they try the moral outrage route. You can't shame Trump and the Republicans. They have no principles. It backfires every single time.

The Democrats just end up looking like shrill losers, which pleases the varmint base. Then you pile on discriminstion against homosexuals and you please the evangelical base.

Whoever is advising the Democrats has it wrong. Evidently.

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Post by Argonheart_Po » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:04 am

Agree agree agree.

But it doesn’t just please the varmints. It puts off the moderates. Who look at Trump and his revolting personality then look at the screeching, crying idiots who jump to the front of the queue to oppose him - and they see no difference.
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Argonheart_Po wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:04 am
Agree agree agree.

But it doesn’t just please the varmints. It puts off the moderates. Who look at Trump and his revolting personality then look at the screeching, crying idiots who jump to the front of the queue to oppose him - and they see no difference.
Those aren’t moderates.

Moderates have seen enough. If you are still pro trump at this stage you aren’t a swing voter or a moderate.
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Oh my god! I agree again. I was disgusted by what I saw. The willingness of the Democrats to sacrifice those women appalled me.

The constant articles in the Times and the Post about Trump's morality irritate me too. Everyone knows he's beneath contempt. His base doesn't care! Even the Evangelicals think he is doing God's will, for pity's sake.

And I don't know what the answer is. How can you engage with a ideology that is about nothing. That does nothing, except grab everything for itself and actually has its victims supporting it?

It's completely insane. I can only hope, like John Howard here, their hubris will be their undoing and they will take that one step too far and the people will say "Enough".

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guruwil wrote:
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Assuming that visas are granted to heterosexual unmarried domestic partners...
No, they aren't.
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Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:09 pm
And the vast majority posters here are my opposite.

Pallid, watery, colourless group-thinkers.
Nice that you have such a high opinion of yourself. Too bad no on else does.
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guruwil wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:40 am
Assuming that visas are granted to heterosexual unmarried domestic partners...
No, they aren't.

Oh, I see that Felix already addressed this. As he said, it is a change in policy for no reason. It's meant to look like 'equality' except we all know that in many, many of those countries same-sex couples are unable to get married so it's not actually 'equality'.
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Post by Godjira » Sun Oct 07, 2018 1:31 am

Moderates and independents don’t support Trump. There are only so many toes you can step on.

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Who is screeching about this? Argonhead is screeching about hypothetical screeching, but where's the primary screeching?
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strife wrote:
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Who is screeching about this? Argonhead is screeching about hypothetical screeching, but where's the primary screeching?
Cocaine isn’t your friend.

Even here in Nowhere Australia the satellite channels are full of lefties screeching, wailing and crying about Kavanaugh. Every second op-Ed in every mainstream outlet is a spasticated pant-piss about him.

Next stop. Gay partners or whatever. The subject doesn’t matter. Trump decides what you do. When you do it.

Keep up or go home.
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temporaryhandle2 wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:30 am
Oh my god! I agree again. I was disgusted by what I saw. The willingness of the Democrats to sacrifice those women appalled me.

The constant articles in the Times and the Post about Trump's morality irritate me too. Everyone knows he's beneath contempt. His base doesn't care! Even the Evangelicals think he is doing God's will, for pity's sake.

And I don't know what the answer is. How can you engage with a ideology that is about nothing. That does nothing, except grab everything for itself and actually has its victims supporting it?

It's completely insane. I can only hope, like John Howard here, their hubris will be their undoing and they will take that one step too far and the people will say "Enough".
You engage by being moderate, thoughtful and persistent. That’s how good politics works.

You get rid of the deadwood. In this case the Clintons and then the Identarians and progressives. They’re killing you and you don’t even know. You stop blaming the electorate. They got it right. The left got it wrong. You suck it up. You go out and earn the respect that leads to power.
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Post by strife » Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:28 am

This thread is about G-4 visas in the US, not Justice Kavanaugh.

Try to keep up, Argonhead. Granted, I am smarter than you, so maybe you can settle for not looking like a complete shithead.
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Post by Godjira » Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:45 am

The rightists crapped the bed and they don’t want you to notice the stink.
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Post by Argonheart_Po » Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:29 am

strife wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:28 am
This thread is about G-4 visas in the US, not Justice Kavanaugh.

Try to keep up, Argonhead. Granted, I am smarter than you, so maybe you can settle for not looking like a complete shithead.
A thread can only be about a single subject.

And of course you’re smarter. That’s why you’re the middle aged guy, with a substance abuse problem, living in a share house.
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Post by guruwil » Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:54 am

northern_goddess wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:39 am
northern_goddess wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:35 am
guruwil wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:40 am
Assuming that visas are granted to heterosexual unmarried domestic partners...
No, they aren't.

Oh, I see that Felix already addressed this. As he said, it is a change in policy for no reason. It's meant to look like 'equality' except we all know that in many, many of those countries same-sex couples are unable to get married so it's not actually 'equality'.
Yes well then it less anti gay discrimination and more just plain anachronistic old school discrimination against those living in unconventional (unconvential to a 1950s version of convention) relationships. But yes its also pretty unfair to those who dont have the option to marry in their home countries.
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The thread certainly isn't about me or my living arrangements.

I have touched Argonhead's nerve.
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Post by strife » Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:09 pm

Argonheart_Po wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:29 am
strife wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:28 am
This thread is about G-4 visas in the US, not Justice Kavanaugh.

Try to keep up, Argonhead. Granted, I am smarter than you, so maybe you can settle for not looking like a complete shithead.
A thread can only be about a single subject.

And of course you’re smarter. That’s why you’re the middle aged guy, with a substance abuse problem, living in a share house.
Argonhead, how many cras do you have? I have zero Ø.
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Post by BulletPark » Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:55 pm

strife wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:13 am
The thread certainly isn't about me or my living arrangements.

I have touched Argonhead's nerve.
He is easily riled, Isn't he?

Poor little Poo.

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Post by strife » Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:58 pm

BulletPark wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:55 pm
strife wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:13 am
The thread certainly isn't about me or my living arrangements.

I have touched Argonhead's nerve.
He is easily riled, Isn't he?

Poor little Poo.

(Waiting for a response where he screams that I'm a rapist.)
He hasn't been Whole since the chick in the clownpants left him for Termite, back in 2002.
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Post by BulletPark » Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:59 pm

Is that really what happened?

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Post by Argonheart_Po » Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:22 am

BulletPark wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:55 pm
strife wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:13 am
The thread certainly isn't about me or my living arrangements.

I have touched Argonhead's nerve.
He is easily riled, Isn't he?

Poor little Poo.

(Waiting for a response where he screams that I'm a rapist.)
You’re a rapist?
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Post by BulletPark » Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:12 pm

According to you, Moral Panicker.

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Post by Zamuel » Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:05 pm

Argonheart_Po wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:06 am
You engage by being moderate, thoughtful and persistent. That’s how good politics works.

You get rid of the deadwood. In this case the Clintons and then the Identarians and progressives. They’re killing you and you don’t even know. You stop blaming the electorate. They got it right. The left got it wrong. You suck it up. You go out and earn the respect that leads to power.
Sounds a lot like George (the bad guy) on Poldark. I bet you've got poofy hair too.
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Post by andybox » Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:44 pm

andybox wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:34 pm
andybox wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:17 pm
Argonheart_Po wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:01 pm
Wrong.

They’re traps.

If and when the left turn into hair-pulling autistic screechers again the Trumpets or a court will turn it around. It’s obnoxious and malevolent, horrible.

All the left have to do to beat him is not be crazy. But you can’t even manage that.
Its not a trap at all. It’s a genuine trait or trump and his band of voters. They’re silently smirking and applauding these policies. It’s discrimination and his base will lap it up. What does that tell you?
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