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Post by korgy » Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:17 am

Pad Yai, no that is not what i wrote. but feel free to read it again. i'm guessing you didnt watch Kavanaugh flip out at the hearings today. or maybe you are just that far out there.
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I just came here to post what's in the OP title.
i know -- right? it's amazing to me people are still obsessed with "he said/she said", when all they have to do is look a how this entitled pig is acting in public.

(and if i had read that divorced from this thread, i would have been sure someone was talking about Trump)
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Post by Flobster! » Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:18 am

And it's his temperament (etc) to be a judge is the only thing being investigated. It isn't a trial. It isn't a matter of guilty or not guilty, it's a test of what sort of person he is. He fails.
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Post by andybox » Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:24 am

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And yet Judge won’t testify.
WTF?

Do yourself a favor and drop your leftardic propaganda feed. pronto.

Not even gorky is dumb enough to post what you just did.
His lawyer had said he will not testify publicly. Does your right wing news source say differently?
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Post by Lost Soul » Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:43 am

andybox wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:24 am
Lost Soul wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:15 am
andybox wrote:
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And yet Judge won’t testify.
WTF?

Do yourself a favor and drop your leftardic propaganda feed. pronto.

Not even gorky is dumb enough to post what you just did.
His lawyer had said he will not testify publicly. Does your right wing news source say differently?
Why should he testify publicly?

In the US up to September 26, 2018, the accused doesn't have to prove his innocence.

It is up to the lying biatch to prove his guilt. Alas, she's lying in this case. Complete with no proof.
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Post by polardude1 » Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:45 am

Wht are you upset about?
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Post by Flobster! » Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:47 am

Again, LS, it isnt a trial. It's a mechanism allowing senators to decide whether he is the right sort of person to be a member of SCOTUS.
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Post by Lost Soul » Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:54 am

Flobster! wrote:
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Again, LS, it isnt a trial. It's a mechanism allowing senators to decide whether he is the right sort of person to be a member of SCOTUS.
Fascinating. Tell me more about my country, please.
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Someone needs to do it.
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Post by cuchulainn » Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:44 am

There is so much rage and spittle coming from the Trump followers.
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Post by Godjira » Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:47 am

My guess is that he also lied to his wife that he was a virgin when they first met.
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Post by Annotated » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:07 am

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It's amazing that people can actually believe that she's credible, but happens to be wrong about this--the actual identity of the man who assaulted her
Well, that's the most sympathetic of the options.

The other very distinct option, of course, is that she's batshit crazy.

I mean this is a woman who wanted to put two front doors in her house and was so insistent about it, it led her and her husband into therapy. (Can you say cuckoo?)

On top of that, the witnesses she listed, including a lifelong friend, say the party never happened in their world. And her lifelong friend says she has never even met Kavanaugh.

So, yes, she seemed to believe what's in her head, but it certainly appears that what's in her head is not so connected to reality. (I mean two front doors? ... Think about it. Is this a woman grounded in reality?)

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Post by Lost Soul » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:17 am

As for the two front doors, it is par for the course in the North. They are called Arctic Entries.

Up till now, I didn't know the Bay Area was Arctic. But she be cray cray, as already observed.


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A porch? What’s crazy about that?
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Annotated wrote:
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On top of that, the witnesses she listed, including a lifelong friend, say the party never happened in their world.
no, they didnt. they said they didnt recollect that party.

also, i never wrote what you have in your sigline. you are a liar, so you have no business even commenting on Ford.
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Post by cuchulainn » Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:07 am

The right wingers angrily lie and evade the issue, just like Kavanaugh.

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Is it funny to you to ridicule a man who is clearly under such severe stress, and whose family is also under severe stress, facing allegations that do not have a shred of evidence behind them?

Would you find it equally funny if BK was left-leaning too?

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No. I'm not ridiculing him. I'm pointing out that if a woman had responded that way, this is what men would say about her.

While I believe her, it's impossible for any one of us to know without any doubt, what happened. And if he didn't do it, he has every right to become emotional and angry, as would any woman in a similar situation. But the reaction to the woman's distress would be called hysteria by the very men who are backing Kavanaugh.
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Real men would call Kavanaugh a sissy after yesterday's hearing. Or a drama queen.

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No. I'm not ridiculing him. I'm pointing out that if a woman had responded that way, this is what men would say about her.

While I believe her, it's impossible for any one of us to know without any doubt, what happened. And if he didn't do it, he has every right to become emotional and angry, as would any woman in a similar situation. But the reaction to the woman's distress would be called hysteria by the very men who are backing Kavanaugh.
You are ridiculing him. But it's ok, because he's a man and he is on the other side.

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Real men would call Kavanaugh a sissy after yesterday's hearing. Or a drama queen.
No, they wouldn't. They'd be angry that a man's character and a man's family could be threatened in such a way, on one person's say-so, without any evidence.

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There is evidence. Grassley would not allow it.
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No, they wouldn't. They'd be angry that a man's character and a man's family could be threatened in such a way, on one person's say-so, without any evidence.
If that was the case, I'd be angry too. I wasn't present at those parties and I have no idea what actually happend. Notwithstanding the above, his appearance was just grotesque.

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Post by cuchulainn » Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:58 am

Then he shouldn’t mind being questioned by the FBI.

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Post by Chi_Rup » Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:58 am

On four people’s say so, without permission for a formal investigation by the Senate Committee or the accused. Why is that?

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polardude1 wrote:
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There is evidence. Grassley would not allow it.
Sure.
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No, they wouldn't. They'd be angry that a man's character and a man's family could be threatened in such a way, on one person's say-so, without any evidence.
If that was the case, I'd be angry too. I wasn't present at those parties and I have no idea what actually happend. Notwithstanding the above, his appearance was just grotesque.
I can't blame his reaction.

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OnTheBall wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:50 am
leela wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:45 am
No. I'm not ridiculing him. I'm pointing out that if a woman had responded that way, this is what men would say about her.

While I believe her, it's impossible for any one of us to know without any doubt, what happened. And if he didn't do it, he has every right to become emotional and angry, as would any woman in a similar situation. But the reaction to the woman's distress would be called hysteria by the very men who are backing Kavanaugh.
You are ridiculing him. But it's ok, because he's a man and he is on the other side.
No. I'm genuinely not. I can't imagine how difficult it would be for anyone to be accused of a sexual offence of which they're not guilty. Given that, despite what I think is most likely, there's part of me that can acknowledge that, and which prevents me from pointing and laughing.

But there's no getting away from the fact that a woman losing her cool would be seen in a different way by those same men who are empathising with kavanaugh.
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leela wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:01 am
OnTheBall wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:50 am
leela wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:45 am
No. I'm not ridiculing him. I'm pointing out that if a woman had responded that way, this is what men would say about her.

While I believe her, it's impossible for any one of us to know without any doubt, what happened. And if he didn't do it, he has every right to become emotional and angry, as would any woman in a similar situation. But the reaction to the woman's distress would be called hysteria by the very men who are backing Kavanaugh.
You are ridiculing him. But it's ok, because he's a man and he is on the other side.
No. I'm genuinely not. I can't imagine how difficult it would be for anyone to be accused of a sexual offence of which they're not guilty. Given that, despite what I think is most likely, there's part of me that can acknowledge that, and which prevents me from pointing and laughing.

But there's no getting away from the fact that a woman losing her cool would be seen in a different way by those same men who are empathising with kavanaugh.
It would depend on the situation. Something as stressful as this, no one could blame any man or woman reacting this way, and anyone who does is motivated by something else.

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Had Ford become angry and lashed out at the other side, do you really think those same Republican men would have been understanding about it?
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See also: leela’s measured interaction with OnTheBall.

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Even if you discount the emotion and anger he showed at this hearing, as 'understandable', it's this that should rule him out as a candidate for the role:
As he put it in his testimony, “What goes around, comes around,” in the partisan vortex that has been intensifying in Washington for decades now. His open contempt for the Democrats on the committee also raised further questions about his own fair-mindedness,
'I'm going to get you back for this' is not what one expects to hear from someone in this position.
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leela wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:12 am
Had Ford become angry and lashed out at the other side, do you really think those same Republican men would have been understanding about it?
I don't know how they would react, which is beside the point, tbh. Just because others "behave badly," it doesn't make it ok for you to do so as well. You're a teacher, you should know this.
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See also: leela’s measured interaction with OnTheBall.

I’m becoming convinced that the fear of equality is a fear that men won’t be able to use anger, snarling and bullying in their social toolkit any more.
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leela wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:20 am
Even if you discount the emotion and anger he showed at this hearing, as 'understandable', it's this that should rule him out as a candidate for the role:
As he put it in his testimony, “What goes around, comes around,” in the partisan vortex that has been intensifying in Washington for decades now. His open contempt for the Democrats on the committee also raised further questions about his own fair-mindedness,
'I'm going to get you back for this' is not what one expects to hear from someone in this position.
Maybe, but I'm not arguing his suitability for the position.

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He’s a partisan hack. There are questions about his gambling debt being paid off by someone that disturb me.
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OnTheBall wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:22 am
leela wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:12 am
Had Ford become angry and lashed out at the other side, do you really think those same Republican men would have been understanding about it?
I don't know how they would react, which is beside the point, tbh. Just because others "behave badly," it doesn't make it ok for you to do so as well. You're a teacher, you should know this.
Where do you think that I'm suggesting that she should have 'behaved badly'? And if that's not what you meant, please enlighten me. Because I can't make sense of your reply any other way.
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OnTheBall wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:23 am
leela wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:20 am
Even if you discount the emotion and anger he showed at this hearing, as 'understandable', it's this that should rule him out as a candidate for the role:
As he put it in his testimony, “What goes around, comes around,” in the partisan vortex that has been intensifying in Washington for decades now. His open contempt for the Democrats on the committee also raised further questions about his own fair-mindedness,
'I'm going to get you back for this' is not what one expects to hear from someone in this position.
Maybe, but I'm not arguing his suitability for the position.
But that is what this thread is about.
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Post by OnTheBall » Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:26 am

leela wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:25 am
OnTheBall wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:22 am
leela wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:12 am
Had Ford become angry and lashed out at the other side, do you really think those same Republican men would have been understanding about it?
I don't know how they would react, which is beside the point, tbh. Just because others "behave badly," it doesn't make it ok for you to do so as well. You're a teacher, you should know this.
Where do you think that I'm suggesting that she should have 'behaved badly'? And if that's not what you meant, please enlighten me. Because I can't make sense of your reply any other way.
Not her, the people ridiculing him and his reaction.

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I'm not ridiculing his reaction, nor have I supported anyone who has.
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Post by OnTheBall » Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:28 am

leela wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:25 am
OnTheBall wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:23 am
leela wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:20 am
Even if you discount the emotion and anger he showed at this hearing, as 'understandable', it's this that should rule him out as a candidate for the role:


'I'm going to get you back for this' is not what one expects to hear from someone in this position.
Maybe, but I'm not arguing his suitability for the position.
But that is what this thread is about.
I was addressing your post (ridiculing his reaction), not the OP.

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leela wrote:
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I'm not ridiculing his reaction.
Right.

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He’ll be alright. He can go back to his old job and be fine.
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leela wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:20 am
Even if you discount the emotion and anger he showed at this hearing, as 'understandable', it's this that should rule him out as a candidate for the role:
As he put it in his testimony, “What goes around, comes around,” in the partisan vortex that has been intensifying in Washington for decades now. His open contempt for the Democrats on the committee also raised further questions about his own fair-mindedness,
'I'm going to get you back for this' is not what one expects to hear from someone in this position.
That's interesting.
Could he have meant that what is happening to him is payback for what has happened in the past?
It seems just as likely as a thinly veiled and ill-advised threat.

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I've watched and listened to that section of his opening statement several times, DCC. I can't make it fit your first interpretation.

I just can't see him as being non-partisan in the future. Whether he has grounds to feel that way is immaterial. If I was an American, I'd want to feel confident in the independence of a Supreme Court Judge.
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Post by incognita » Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:06 pm

He is referring to the when he was assisting Ken Starr. He pushed for Clinton to be questioned in excruciating detail because he thought Clinton was sleazy. He and many other Rs are saying is payback.

Not that Kavanaugh is a sleazy, entitled POS. And what he said is a threat.

The hearing was just a sham. No investigation will take place, although the ABA is now calling for one. They will vote today and Kavanaugh will be installed. And we move further away from democracy.
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incognita wrote:
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He is referring to the when he was assisting Ken Starr. He pushed for Clinton to be questioned in excruciating detail because he thought Clinton was sleazy. He and many other Rs are saying is payback.

Not that Kavanaugh is a sleazy, entitled POS. And what he said is a threat.
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OnTheBall wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:22 am
Chi_Rup wrote:
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See also: leela’s measured interaction with OnTheBall.

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Re: all else aside, clearly Kavanaugh does not have the temperament for a judge

Post by BulletPark » Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:46 pm

leela wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:24 am
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The facial expressions on the crowd are hilarious. They're like extras in some gross-out comedy listening to this cunt fart the alphabet.

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Re: all else aside, clearly Kavanaugh does not have the temperament for a judge

Post by Godjira » Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:50 pm

It’s my collection of white people.
That's the kind of bold flavor they enjoy in Albuquerque!

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Re: all else aside, clearly Kavanaugh does not have the temperament for a judge

Post by BulletPark » Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:52 pm

If those are his supporters, they look behind him 100% only in the way they are seated.

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