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Post by polardude1 » Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:35 pm

Jim, does anyone ask your religion when you board a flight? No Arabs can be Christian s well. But your knew that


Multiple youtube videos from multiple sources makes for a highly inconsistent narrative.

Where are the passengers
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Post by Jim-2012 » Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:40 pm

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Jim, does anyone ask your religion when you board a flight? No Arabs can be Christian s well. But your knew that


Multiple youtube videos from multiple sources makes for a highly inconsistent narrative.

Where are the passengers
Non of the alleged hijackers' names appear on the manifest you posted; why not?
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There wasn't even enough heat to melt aluminum, because jet fuel burns at 700 F.
You are not merely a gullible idiot, you don't take on board what you have been told. A house fire will melt aluminium - I know, aluminium melted when my house burned. I think this is the third time I have told you this, but you just can't seem to remember it.

Regarding the colour, do you remember when I posted a pic of a crucible of molten iron and a pic of a crucible of molten aluminium and invited you to pick which was which?
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Post by polardude1 » Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:51 pm

That was a partial list, not a manifest
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Post by Godjira » Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:54 pm

Jesus F’ing Christ, don’t you get it? Jim’s belief is based on a pathology. You more debate with it, and the more you prove him wrong, the more he believes.
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Post by Jim-2012 » Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:57 pm

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That was a partial list, not a manifest
The manifest would have added some credibility to the official Deep State story if it had listed the names of the hijackers; but it didn't list them so what's the point of posting the manifest?
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Post by polardude1 » Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:02 pm

Jim, you don't even think there were passengers
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Post by Jim-2012 » Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:43 pm

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Jim, you don't even think there were passengers
Passengers may have boarded the flights, but I am sure they didn't end up where the official story says they went.
There is no proof of passengers on your manifests being identified as found at any of the destinations that the official story claims.
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Post by Flobster! » Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:45 pm

Nor is there any proof that they were anywhere else. Occam's Razor suggests they stayed in the planes.
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Post by Jim-2012 » Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:49 pm

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Nor is there any proof that they were anywhere else. Occam's Razor suggests they stayed in the planes.
Occam's Razor doesn't suggest that an airliner could pulverize a 100-storey steel/concrete building by hitting one or two of the top floors, either.
The official story is not a rational explanation of the events on 9/11.
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Post by Flobster! » Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:51 pm

NEW YORK - Remains of a flight attendant and passenger on the first plane to hit the World Trade Centre on September 11 have been identified in New York, as families of attack victims rallied for a thorough new Ground Zero search.

The New York medical examiner's office said in a statement that it had identified remains of Karen Ann Martin, the 40-year-old head flight attendant on American Airlines Flight 11, which slammed into the trade centre's north tower.

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Post by Flobster! » Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:54 pm

Jim, I really wish you would stop telling lies.

Neither plane hit 'one or two top floors'. There were many floors above the impact sites, and when those floors fell due to the fires weakening the steel on the impact floors, the buildings pancaked.

Have you tried the 'dropping a brick on your head from 10 feet up' experiment yet?
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Post by Jim-2012 » Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:57 pm

Flobster wrote:Have you tried the 'dropping a brick on your head from 10 feet up' experiment yet?
Have you dropped a steel ball on a concrete floor?
What happened, did it smash through the concrete, or did it bounce back up, obeying Newton's law?
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Post by Flobster! » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:08 pm

If you drop a steel ball of sufficient weight, it will not bounce. Think of a safe being dropped 10 feet onto concrete.

This insistence of yours that dropping something cannot damage the thing it's dropped onto is so wildly contrary to all your experience that I must conclude that you are again telling a lie.
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Time for a musical interlude...

Post by Jim-2012 » Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:16 pm

Brother Nathanael sings well:

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Post by Logg » Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:37 pm

So, the government was able to pull off this conspiracy with utmost secrecy, including secretly killing all the passengers on the planes in some undisclosed location in New York, but they forgot to put the hijackers' names on the flight manifest, or whatever list Jim is talking about.

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Post by Jim-2012 » Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:55 pm

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So, the government was able to pull off this conspiracy with utmost secrecy, including secretly killing all the passengers on the planes in some undisclosed location in New York, but they forgot to put the hijackers' names on the flight manifest, or whatever list Jim is talking about.
Well, the Deep State made some mistakes when they created the cover story that purported to explain the JFK assasination, but millions of people believed the Warren Report, anyway.
Why do you think they would get the 9/11 story believable when millions of people will believe any crock that the Deep State proclaims, anyway?
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Post by polardude1 » Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:17 pm

Him, Nathanial won't give you an answer. Where are he passenger?
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Him, Nathanial won't give you an answer. Where are he passenger?
Don't you think he sings well, though?
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I consider anyone who admires a person who promotes anti Semitism a piece of dog shit
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9/11 Seventeen years later...

Post by Jim-2012 » Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:39 am

Richard Dolan discusses the different ideas of people who disagree with the official story on the destruction of 7 WTC buildings and the damage to the Pentagon on 9/11/2001.
He calls it 17 years of lies and the video was posted on 9/11/2018.
I think his video is excellent; He brings up good points to consider.

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BUt JIm, there were no planes. uaybe there were UFO's
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Post by Jim-2012 » Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:59 pm

polardude1 wrote:
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BUt JIm, there were no planes. uaybe there were UFO's
There were no Arab hijackers, either, or they would have been on your passenger manifests.
Maybe the aircraft that allegedly hit the buildings were missiles disguised as airliners.
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Post by polardude1 » Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:39 pm

Maybe the aircraft that allegedly hit the buildings were missiles disguised as airliners.
or maybe they were Photon torpedos accidentally released by the Starship Enterprise after it went back in time. Captain Pickard was a big Bush fan
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Maybe the aircraft that allegedly hit the buildings were missiles disguised as airliners.
or maybe they were Photon torpedos accidentally released by the Starship Enterprise after it went back in time. Captain Pickard was a big Bush fan
That would be more believable than the Mierda del Toro story we got from the Deep State and their minions in the media.
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I don't think any of you mongs have made headway in convincing the crazy old racist of anything. Maybe there will be progress somewhere in the next 15 pages...
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Post by Jim-2012 » Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:19 pm

Anyone tempted to believe the ludicrous Deep State cover story should watch this video:

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Post by Scrubb » Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:01 pm

Sigh.

The hijackers names were on the flight manifests. That's how the investigators figured out who to blame so quickly.

The conspiracy claim that they were not on the manifests came from the fact that when lists of victims - unofficial and incomplete lists - left them off.

From https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/20 ... manifests/
the claim that no Arab names appeared on the flight manifests for the planes hijacked on the morning of September 11, 2001 arose shortly after the terrorist attacks, and variations on the theme have persisted to this day. The claim initially arose when lists of passengers published by CNN, The Guardian, and the Associated Press contained no names of hijack suspects.

But to draw the conclusion from this that therefore no Arab names were on the manifest was a clear example of misinformation, as these lists were clearly reported as lists of victims, and partial lists at that. Furthermore, none of those lists were sourced to the manifests themselves. The Associated Press, for instance, noted that its lists were compiled not from any of the manifests, but from information obtained from “family members, friends, co-workers and law enforcement.”[1]

The only list sourced to an actual manifest was from a graphic created by the staff of the Boston Globe that showed a complete list of names and seating locations for passengers on American Airlines Flight 11. That list did indeed include the names of the suspected hijackers, although it is not clear whether the Globe obtained the information independently from the airline or from investigators. Although acknowledging receipt of an inquiry into this question and initially expressing a willingness to investigate, the Globe ultimately declined to comment for this report.[2]

According to testimony to the 9/11 Commission, the U.S. Customs Office of Intelligence was able to identify the hijackers within perhaps as little as 45 minutes of the attacks by obtaining the passenger manifest for each of the four hijacked flights from the airline companies. Two of the hijackers, Khalid al-Midhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, were immediately identified when their names were run through the terrorist watchlist database.
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Is this still going?

Why?

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Sigh.
Scrubb, did you watch the video I posted just above your post?
This video quite well demonstrates the absurdity of the Deep State official story.
You can believe the Deep State official story, but it is so ludicrous that I don't believe a word of it.
9/11 happened because GWB and the neocons felt they needed a "Pearl Harbor" event to persuade the American people (terrorize them) into accepting the wars of hegemony in the Middle East. I think that was a despicable thing to do.
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Post by Godjira » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:48 am

Some jackass posted a video to get view$ from the mentality ill.

I wouldn’t watch it.
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What is a “war of hegemony”?

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And I think you are bizarrely resistant to reality, Jim.
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And I think you are bizarrely resistant to reality, Jim.
Well, you are not alone in that opinion on this board, so I don't hold it against you. I am actually sorry that you accept the propaganda of the Deep State without questioning the absurd stories that they tell. I am older than you, and in my life I have heard so many lies from the Deep State that I now don't accept what they say at face value.
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Post by Godjira » Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:35 am

Anyone who uses the term "Deep State" is loonie tunes too.

HTH

Again, not necessarily in an incapacitating way, but in a weird tickish kind of way. You know, like that guy who was a wealthy accountant who kept people's feces in pizza boxes.
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Godjira wrote:
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Anyone who uses the term "Deep State" is loonie tunes too.

HTH

Again, not necessarily in an incapacitating way, but in a weird tickish kind of way. You know, like that guy who was a wealthy accountant who kept people's feces in pizza boxes.
Glenn Greenwald invented the term.

He is less loony than 99.3% of reporters.
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And I think you are bizarrely resistant to reality, Jim.
He's not the only one on this thread. A number of gibbering morons have been earnestly arguing this with him for 15 fucking pages. There is a serious death of reality all around here.
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Lost Soul wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:49 am
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Anyone who uses the term "Deep State" is loonie tunes too.

HTH

Again, not necessarily in an incapacitating way, but in a weird tickish kind of way. You know, like that guy who was a wealthy accountant who kept people's feces in pizza boxes.
Glenn Greenwald invented the term.

He is less loony than 99.3% of reporters.
I don't think he did, but in any case, I am talking about its use in Breitfart sense
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Lost Soul wrote:
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Glenn Greenwald invented the term.

He is less loony than 99.3% of reporters.
Even Trump has used the term, and I am sure he knows what power it holds.
Both the Bush and Clinton crime families are part of the Deep State.
Trump has to be careful where he treads, or else they will whack him like they did JFK.
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Post by Godjira » Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:47 am

Even Trump has used the term? That proves my point. It's bullshit. Trump is a criminal and he's convincing his tribe of malcontents and old farts that someone is out to get him.


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And I think you are bizarrely resistant to reality, Jim.
He's not the only one on this thread. A number of gibbering morons have been earnestly arguing this with him for 15 fucking pages. There is a serious death of reality all around here.
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Post by polardude1 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:31 am

Jim
Even Trump has used the term, and I am sure he knows what power it holds
Oh Jim, Trump cozied up to the so called "Deep State" to help build his real estate empire. As a federal judge, his own sister is part of that "Deep State"
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Post by matt_melb » Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:35 am

I finally caved in and watched the video most recently posted by Jim.

Jim, I hate to break this to you, mate, but it's nonsense. Complete nonsense. You are behaving like someone who's been away from reality for a long time (say, like those Japanese soldiers who were marooned on islands and didn't hear about the end of the war for decades) who can't manage to adjust to the way things actually are.

There is simply nothing, not one single thing, in that video that any person, thinking rationally, could consider persuasive.

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Moethebartender wrote:
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Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:16 am
And I think you are bizarrely resistant to reality, Jim.
He's not the only one on this thread. A number of gibbering morons have been earnestly arguing this with him for 15 fucking pages. There is a serious death of reality all around here.
I am so glad I took moe off foe. I wonder how many other gems like this I have missed.
To me, his comedy still outweighs his animosity.

Alas, the fantasy felix has done a 180 on both.
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Post by Flobster! » Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:25 am

Here's a pic of melted metal (I assume it's mostly aluminium) from my house fire. Most of the interesting dribbly bits have broken off over the years.

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Here's a pic of melted metal (I assume it's mostly aluminium) from my house fire. Most of the interesting dribbly bits have broken off over the years.

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Fascinating.

Another wood/kerosene fire, and still no molten steel?

I find that hard to believe. :roll:
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Post by Flobster! » Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:36 am

I posted it because Jim seems to not take on board words. He keeps claiming that aluminium couldn't have melted in a skyscraper/plane fire, and I keep replying that it melts in house fires. Hopefully a picture will get into his brain.
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Post by Lost Soul » Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:50 am

My rolling eyes, not to mention my previous posts (who reads them?) should have set you at ease.

Aluminum not only melts in wood fires, it also boils and becomes a gas if conditions are right.

I know this because I have watched many a beer can transmogrify into a liquid and a gas at every bonfire I ever attended.
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Re: reading of the names of the WTC victims

Post by Flobster! » Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:53 am

I'm not trying to convince you, doofus.
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