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Post by twodogs » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:26 pm

I never watched it but Korgy was kind enough to provide a link to the video. I don't value CNN's opinion since they were so far off on the election so the screen shot is all that matters.
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Post by Godjira » Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:39 am

One area where Trump’s numbers will continue to swell over Obama is in the number of administration indictments.

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Post by Curtis E Wipe » Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:21 pm

twodogs wrote:
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I don't value CNN's opinion since they were so far off on the election so the screen shot is all that matters.
Your links don’t back that up. The screenshot does make CNN look amateurish though. But it makes you look just as bad by posting it.
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Post by VinnyD » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:01 pm

Don Jr. posted this image on Instagram, but photoshopped Dad's approval ratings.

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Post by Curtis E Wipe » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:54 pm

twodogs wrote:
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4.1% GDP?
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Post by twodogs » Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:13 am

The U.S. economy accelerated to a 4.1 percent pace of growth in the second quarter, the fastest since 2014, letting President Donald Trump claim a win for his policies even though expansion is projected to cool.

The annualized rate of gains in gross domestic product was just shy of the 4.2 percent median forecast in a Bloomberg survey. It followed first-quarter growth of 2.2 percent that was revised from 2 percent, the Commerce Department reported Friday. Consumer spending grew 4 percent, more than estimated, while nonresidential business investment climbed at a 7.3 percent clip.
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Post by Curtis E Wipe » Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:21 am

It doesn't say quarterly economic growth. It says "GDP 4.1%", which makes no sense.
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Post by Curtis E Wipe » Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:25 am

As for GDP growth in general, the Trump economy has grown at an annual rate of 2.38% since he entered office. Obama's second term was 2.45% per year.

As I said, the Trump economy is basically the Obama economy plus a rapidly accelerating deficit.
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Post by Godjira » Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:29 am

Obama was president in 2014.
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Post by twodogs » Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:31 pm

Curtis E Wipe wrote:
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It doesn't say quarterly economic growth. It says "GDP 4.1%", which makes no sense.
It is the annualized rate of gain in gross domestic product for the month of July. Businesses and investors likes these numbers monthly instead of quarterly or annually. If the number is stable inventory should be stable, if it is growing inventory should be higher and if it is falling inventory should be lower.

You wouldn't want to expand or hire more employees if it were dropping but you might if it is stable or rising.
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Post by Curtis E Wipe » Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:54 pm

twodogs wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:31 pm
Curtis E Wipe wrote:
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It doesn't say quarterly economic growth. It says "GDP 4.1%", which makes no sense.
It is the annualized rate of gain in gross domestic product for the month of July. Businesses and investors likes these numbers monthly instead of quarterly or annually. If the number is stable inventory should be stable, if it is growing inventory should be higher and if it is falling inventory should be lower.

You wouldn't want to expand or hire more employees if it were dropping but you might if it is stable or rising.
Where does the chart say that’s what it’s referring to?
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Curtis E Wipe wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:54 pm
Where does the chart say that’s what it’s referring to?
It doesn't. I made it all up.
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Post by Curtis E Wipe » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:41 pm

I figured.
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Post by thegreenlantern » Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:12 am

twodogs wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:59 pm
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:57 pm
Perhaps they weren't shown these accurate and misleading numbers.
How can data be accurate and misleading at the same time?
The combination of Eric's intent and typo aside, the CNN table is a perfect example of accurate and misleading information. This is a terrible suite of economic indicators for comparing Presidents elected under very different economic conditions. Maybe the clip itself provided the context and explanation necessary to interpret the figures, but the screen grab by itself plainly encourages poor conclusions.

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Post by Godjira » Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:19 pm

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Post by twodogs » Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:56 pm

thegreenlantern wrote:
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The combination of Eric's intent and typo aside, the CNN table is a perfect example of accurate and misleading information. This is a terrible suite of economic indicators for comparing Presidents elected under very different economic conditions. Maybe the clip itself provided the context and explanation necessary to interpret the figures, but the screen grab by itself plainly encourages poor conclusions.
Conclusions may vary but the facts are still facts.
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Re: Trump versus Obama by the numbers

Post by eric84 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:02 pm

What conclusion would you make, 2dogs?
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Post by Godjira » Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:14 pm

The facts are that Trump sucks, everyone but Republicans hate him, and they have to mislead themselves into justifying why they think he’s greater-than-Reagan.
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Post by twodogs » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:20 pm

Whatever the reason the US is doing better economically at this point in Trump's presidency than it was at a similar point in Obama's. I consider that good news and probably due more to President Trump lowering the tax rate and reducing regulations than Obama laying a solid foundation for future growth.
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Re: Trump versus Obama by the numbers

Post by cuchulainn » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:42 pm

twodogs wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:20 pm
Whatever the reason the US is doing better economically at this point in Trump's presidency than it was at a similar point in Obama's. I consider that good news and probably due more to President Trump lowering the tax rate and reducing regulations than Obama laying a solid foundation for future growth.

Reducing regulations results in more economic activity?

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Post by Curtis E Wipe » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:42 pm

Yet, it’s not doing better than the second Obama term, a fact that nullified your reasoning.
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Post by twodogs » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:02 pm

cuchulainn wrote:
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Reducing regulations results in more economic activity?
Some trailing economists think so.

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/ec ... of-dollars
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Post by thegreenlantern » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:21 pm

twodogs wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:56 pm
thegreenlantern wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:12 am
The combination of Eric's intent and typo aside, the CNN table is a perfect example of accurate and misleading information. This is a terrible suite of economic indicators for comparing Presidents elected under very different economic conditions. Maybe the clip itself provided the context and explanation necessary to interpret the figures, but the screen grab by itself plainly encourages poor conclusions.
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Re: Trump versus Obama by the numbers

Post by cuchulainn » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:44 pm

twodogs wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:02 pm
cuchulainn wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:42 pm
Reducing regulations results in more economic activity?
Some trailing economists think so.

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/ec ... of-dollars
Safety regulations?
Regulations regarding workers' pay?
Environmental regulations?

I suppose less safety regulations will save plutocrats a few dollars. Although that means that more workers will get hurt or die. Being able to cheat workers of their pay will definitely save plutocrats money. Being able to legally pollute will save plutocrats more money so yes, I agree with you.

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Post by eric84 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:53 pm

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Re: Trump versus Obama by the numbers

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eric84 wrote:
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Post by VinnyD » Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:10 pm

Since things turned around under Obama, trends have been moving in the right direction. Trump may deserve credit for not having screwed that up so far.
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VinnyD wrote:
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A weird thing happened: Not long after Obama was sworn in the labor force participation rate became the key stat, and then, after Trump became POTUS, it became irrelevant again.
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Post by twodogs » Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:32 pm

Good work Vinny, any GPD charts?
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Post by SeamusMcCool » Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:06 pm

twodogs wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:20 pm
Whatever the reason the US is doing better economically at this point in Trump's presidency than it was at a similar point in Obama's. I consider that good news and probably due more to President Trump lowering the tax rate and reducing regulations than Obama laying a solid foundation for future growth.
Then you are an idiot who should immediately move to the children's table. The worst recession since the great depression and you think it's probably due more to President Trump lowering the tax rate and reducing regulations? Are you fucking high when you write horseshit like this??? Honestly, if you're not trolling who do you think is going to agree with this turd you dumped outside of fellow empty heads Anno, Argon etc.?
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Re: Trump versus Obama by the numbers

Post by Godjira » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:05 pm

twodogs wrote:
cuchulainn wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:42 pm
Reducing regulations results in more economic activity?
Some trailing economists think so.

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/ec ... of-dollars
So Trump wants to remove trillions from the economy?
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