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May done good?

Post by Flobster! » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:41 am

It's arguable that May is about to achieve a half-decent result because of playing a long game,

Kicking the can down the road long enough for her cabinet enemies to have no choice but to fall in line or quit, then facing-down a leadership challenge (or non-challenge because she has so successfully muddied the water), and producing a plan acceptable to the EU and also moderate Leavers.

The hard Brexit right has been isolated and its support diminished and discredited. (It makes a lot of noise but it's pretty much on a par with Free Tommy yobs now). Farage won't be back to lead UKIP and Rees-Mogg was never a starter.

Of course all this could change in 24 hours.
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Post by Lost Soul » Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:20 am

Missie May should have never been put in charge of Brexit.

Joining the EFTA was the simple goal, easily achieved, and she's fucked it all up.

For that, the Tories themselves are to blame for picking a pro-EU replacement for Cameron. Most of that blame belongs with the dude who back-stabbed Bojo two years ago.

Shambolic all around.
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Post by Flobster! » Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:28 am

1. There were plenty of simple goals in this process but with the country and party hopelessly confused and embattled none of them was easily achievable.

2. The process had to run for two years. Filling-in that time and choosing the moment to strike was very well done. (Unless it was an accident, of course. But I doubt it was.)

3. Brexit is still a stupid idea.
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Post by Lost Soul » Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:32 am

Brexit is a great idea, unless you want your sovereignty and economy controlled by a cabal of cunts who despise you.
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Post by Flobster! » Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:36 am

This 'cabal' being the heads of state of all the countries, each with a veto (which the UK has used more than most) plus a directly elected parliament?
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Post by Lost Soul » Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:55 am

Indonesia should really have a say in how Australia is run, including her immigration policies, don't you think?
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Post by Flobster! » Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:59 am

None of the EU countries have "a say" in freedom of movement.

Australia effectively has freedom of movement with NZ.
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Post by The Mallard Missie » Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:52 am

She has kept appointing cunts whom she dislikes to office.

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Post by LonelyTeaPot » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:34 am

Lost Soul wrote:
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Indonesia should really have a say in how Australia is run, including her immigration policies, don't you think?
Does France have a direct say in how Britain is run, immigration policies included, or Germany perhaps? If immigration is your problem, you might be delighted to hear that the EU is finally, slowly, moving in the right direction, thanks to the voters shifting to the right. The EU is a common project of highly developed nations based on shared values, only a staunch nationalist and reactionary can reject this on principle.

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Post by simon_in_exile » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:59 am

Lost Soul wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:32 am
Brexit is a great idea, unless you want your sovereignty and economy controlled by a cabal of cunts who despise you.
If you live anywhere north of Luton or west of Oxford (i.e. most of the UK, the sentence above applies to the status quo with Westminster, no matter what happens with Brexit.
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Post by Iolar » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:22 am

Brexit is a great idea, unless you want your sovereignty and economy controlled by a cabal of cunts who despise you.
Without doubt, you are the dumbest poster on the forum.

The UK currently has a say in how the EU operates. Brexit was a vote to have no say, yet still be told what to do. Utter stupidity.
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Post by Flobster! » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:35 am

Meanwhile news about the giant food stockpile being gathered in case of hard Brexit ...
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Post by desertstorm » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:26 am

Lost Soul wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:32 am
Brexit is a great idea, unless you want your sovereignty and economy controlled by a cabal of cunts who despise you.
'Take back control' sounds so good and appealing when it is some abstract platitude shouted by morons. Who doesn't want to 'take back control'.

Let's do a Brexit for dummies here. UK has two options when it chooses to implement Brexit.

a) Keep free trade with EU: which requires UK to accept the 4 freedoms of movement: people, capital, goods and services, contribute to EU budget, follow most EU regulations on sectors with free trade, without the right to take part in EU policy/regulation development processes (Conclusion: no taking back control on border and regulations and give up the right to be a EU partner to become a EU rule taker)
b) Give up tariff free trade and many cooperations (e.g. Galileo) with EU: current by far the biggest trading partner of UK, and one in UK time zone.

Please go on and argue one or both of these two options are good for UK

There is a third and fourth option
c) EU falls apart in coming year or 2 due to the rise of extreme right nationalist authoritarianism and there will be likely no free trade for all because there will be just short-sighted and self-interested policies from each country
d) UK somehow turns around and abandon Brexit in a miracle
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Post by desertstorm » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:32 am

Lost Soul wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:32 am
unless you want your sovereignty and economy controlled by a cabal of cunts who despise you.
Free trade means a lot of (mutual recognised) regulations to ensure trading fairly and freely, not abandon existing regulations to trade. Who is going to decide the rules when UK wants a trade deal with US or China?

Maybe UK will be able to strike a good trade deal with Burkina Faso and Fiji.

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Post by DCComic » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:42 am

Trade regulations mean that if you decide that factories shouldn’t dump shit in the nearest river, fill the air with toxins, employ slave children and make goods that maim the users they can’t be undercut by imports from people who don’t take care of those things.
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Re: May done good?

Post by Lost Soul » Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:25 pm

Iolar wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:22 am
Brexit is a great idea, unless you want your sovereignty and economy controlled by a cabal of cunts who despise you.
Without doubt, you are the dumbest poster on the forum.
I seem to have struck a nerve.

Keep up the good work.
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Post by VinnyD » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:40 pm

FLobster, I haven't heard that the plan is acceptable to the EU, or even that it has been worked out in detail and presented to the EU. Where are you getting your information on acceptability?

desertstorm, I pick a nit: Only Ireland and Portugal are in the same time zone as the UK among EU members. Greece, Cyprus, Finland, and the Baltic states are two hours off.

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Post by The Mallard Missie » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:43 pm

Lost Soul wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:25 pm
Iolar wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:22 am
Brexit is a great idea, unless you want your sovereignty and economy controlled by a cabal of cunts who despise you.
Without doubt, you are the dumbest poster on the forum.
I seem to have struck a nerve.

Keep up the good work.
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Post by harry_flashman » Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:17 am

so May troops of to Germany to clear things with Merkel and Merkel tells Ireland and the rest of the EU whats going to happen?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... quers.html
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Post by simon_in_exile » Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:23 am

VinnyD wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:40 pm
desertstorm, I pick a nit: Only Ireland and Portugal are in the same time zone as the UK among EU members. Greece, Cyprus, Finland, and the Baltic states are two hours off.
If we are going to be mierenneukers over this, Denmark and Spain also share the same time zone as the UK.
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Post by Argonheart_Po » Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:54 am

Remainers / Soft Brexiters and May and the Civil Service had hoped the public weren’t following the details. They aren’t fools.

http://order-order.com/
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Post by Chi_Rup » Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:11 am

...and that’s why the public are voting Labour?

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Post by VinnyD » Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:28 am

Po, did they ask whether the presin being polled was following the story? If so, what percentage said they were? Are these percentages from among those who answered "Yes"?

None of those numbers says anything about whether people ae following the story.

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Post by Argonheart_Po » Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:30 am

There’s a link.
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Re: May done good?

Post by desertstorm » Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:39 am

'TAKE BACK CONTROL!'

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Post by VinnyD » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:05 am

There is a link, but it takes me to a page called guido fawkes that says nothing about the yougov poll.

Edit: I see if you scroll down far enough, you find the graphic you reproduced, but no link to a source.

I was sort of hoping you had read something about the poll before posting and could answer ny questions.

If you want to link to particular story on a site, the thing to do, usually, is to click on that story and then link to that. A week from now your link will be useless.

Like this

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Post by VinnyD » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:11 am

Chi Rup, the same poll showed that Labour had pulled even with the Tories. That was the lead in most stories about the poll, but not mentioned at Po's preferred site. Yougov now puts Labour two points ahead.

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Post by Chi_Rup » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:12 am

It’s a graphic with info taken from a regular YouGov voting intentions/what do you think of the news poll. Missing out the “Don’t Know”, who in at least one of the questions are the majority.

Link: https://yougov.co.uk/news/2018/07/04/wh ... ing-badly/

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Post by VinnyD » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:48 pm

Oh, and thanks, simon.

And I would still like hear from Flobster about his source for the acceptability of this plan to the EU.

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Post by VinnyD » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:00 pm

Simon, I think it is only the Canary Islands and the Faroe Islands (of land belonging to Spain and Denmark) that use Western European time. Metropolitan Spain and Denmark are on Central European Time. It would be weird if Copenhagen was an hour later than Oslo and Hamburg.

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