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Post by korgy » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:22 pm

"varmint" has become such a successful, meaningful and accurate descriptor of a member of the Trump voting class that i was interested in when it started. i had assumed it was Felix (strife, Ignominy, etc), but wasnt certain

so i did a little research
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there are many uses of "varmint" before 2013 to literally describe undesirable animals, but no political references.

Jan 4, 2013: first use of "varmint" on PS (in recent years) as a possible descriptor of humans (not animals) --

Do you think any old time terms should come back to use?
here, fishface suggests bringing back the term "varmint" along with other words like "bandit" and "fancyman". presumably, he is referring to the use of the word to describe people, (perhaps referencing Yosemite Sam, although Sam was referring to Bugs Bunny -- who was not a human, but a human-like rabbit.) but even if his suggestion was to resurrect the word was for humans -- which is not clear-- it was not meant specifically for Trump supporters,obviously

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April 5th, 2015:
Felix (strife) uses the term "varmint scrote" in a thread describing the DC Metro:

DC Metro Blows Infected Varmint Scrote

it's not exactly clear how varmint is being used here. "scrote" is "a worthless obnoxious person; a gobshite or toerag" (Wiktionary), or "a worthless fellow" (Dictionary.com). so it seems that "varmint" is being added to "infected" and "scrote" to heighten the level of disgust. within the OP, there is a link to a now-defunct video of a "guyess [with] a good rant about how much DC Metro sucks." so my guess is that the "infected varmint scrote" was the "guyess" with the rant about the Metro.

in which case this would be the first instance of "varmint" being used to describe a certain kind of person.

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Sept. 28, 2015:
here, Felix uses "varmint" to describe a dog -- so, it doesnt count.
I Just Got Threatened With Death

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Jan. 24, 2014:
Total Reject pastes an excerpt from Hugh Glass: The Truth Behind the Revenant Legend: "Fitzgerald was the one who had convinced young Bridger to leave him–bear-battered but still breathing–at the Grand River. Where was that gutless varmint?" -- which would be an archaic use of term to describe a human
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=154685&p=3216642&hi ... t#p3216642

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Feb. 16th, 2016:
Felix (Ignominy) uses the term to describe the class in which Ted Nugent belongs:

"Terrible things are going to befall Nugent for not staying in the Varmint Lane."
Ted Nugent

i think this is key

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ah, here we go --

February 17th, 2016:
Felix (Ignominy) uses the term "varmint" to describe a political demographic:
"pander to the mouthbreathing troglodyte varmint demographic, such as you and your sister-aunts and brother-uncles. Do I need to quote Mitch McConnell to you?"
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=157161&p=3296984&h ... t#p3296984

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February 19th, 2016:
Felix (Ignominy) calls Annotated a varmint:
Ignominy wrote:
Annotated wrote:I shit on your grave ... Obamastyle.
Varmint, leave.
oddly enough, the quote appears to have been subsequently deleted -- either by the mods or by Felix himself -- it shows up in the search
search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keyw ... start=1300

but NOT in the thread -- there is a gap at 5:25 PM, after Annotated's 5:18 post:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=157323&hilit=varmint

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February 25, 2016:
Felix (Ignominy) uses the expression for the first time to describe the Trump voting class specifically:
"I like to call them Cletus or Critter or Varmint, but I'm not a Democrat"

Voting for Trump to piss off liberals

i think this is the first time this happens. henceforth, the term takes on a life of its own.

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therefore, i think we can safely say Felix is indeed worthy of credit for originating the use of the term "varmint" to describe Trump supporters. worthy badge to carry.
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Post by flojin » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:23 pm

I also like the words, "reprobate," "miscreant," and "ne-er do well."
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Post by Ped_Yai » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:08 pm

I was wondering if varmint, as used here, was a Stew creation. It definitely fits.

Varmint = vermin

Vittles = victuals.

Critter = creature

And what's in the stew?

Let's take a peak in Granny's pot.

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Post by VinnyD » Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:22 pm

I believe fishface is a she, although I don't know the basis for that belief.

Strife generally seens to see the world through a "my group is better than your group, and I want to see your group suffer" lens.

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Post by strife » Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:29 pm

VinnyD wrote:
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Strife generally seens to see the world through a "my group is better than your group, and I want to see your group suffer" lens.
I just want them to go away. A defining aspect of varmintism is wanting your enemies to suffer.
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Post by VinnyD » Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:32 pm

OK. I was misled by things like this:
Die, varmints. I used to argue in favor of a social-safety net for you. Now, I just want you to die.
I'm actually happy at any misfortune to befall the varmints.
Varmints, just die already.
I love watching varmints scurry about in panicked fistula, before I step on them.
(Admittedly, that one doesn't actually make any sense.)
I love seeing varmints Destroyed, their faces melting off in piles of molten flesh. Assholes.
(I didn't look at the last two and a half pages of results. I thought this would be enough to explain how it happened that I was misled into thinking that you wished them ill.)

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Post by Lost Soul » Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:54 pm

Thank you fishface.

Before her I remember saying 'varmint round' once or twice, as in a type of bullet.
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Post by korgy » Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:22 am

correction: Total Reject's pasting of Nancy M. Peterson's "Fitzgerald was the one who had convinced young Bridger to leave him–bear-battered but still breathing–at the Grand River. Where was that gutless varmint?" was from Dec 01, 2015 (not 2014)... not sure what happened there

i do like the addition of "gutless" to "varmint" in that instance

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Post by section8 » Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:23 am

I have used a ‘varmint’ permit to allow the removal of rodents.
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You should take pride in this research. You have done well.
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Post by DCComic » Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:42 am

Varmints is Yosemite Sam for ‘vermin’. Rats, cockroaches, that kind of thing. Pests that need to be squished.
Of course you love it.
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Post by korgy » Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:58 am

DC, i assume everyone here knows what a varmint is in the literal sense. as i first wrote in the OP, there are many threads referring to varmints, meaning pests or nuisance animals. and use of "varmint" to slanderously refer to humans is not new -- it is archaic.

the question was about when it originated here specifically to refer to Trump supporters.
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Post by DCComic » Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:02 am

Yes. You said. AP bangs on about hating the underclass. Varmint proves his point.
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Post by korgy » Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:38 am

DCComic wrote:
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AP bangs on about hating the underclass. Varmint proves his point.
your necessarily equating "underclass" with "varmint" is entirely erroneous. i assure you, most of the "underclass" where i live are not Trump supporters -- and the few people i see with Trump stickers on their cars are usually not "underclass".

hope that helps.
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Post by vanceen » Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:47 pm

What is it the Hutus called the Tutsis in Rwanda? No, it wasn't "varmint". Completely different.

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korgy wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:38 am
your necessarily equating "underclass" with "varmint" is entirely erroneous.
"Necessarily equating"
Really?
Is that an honest, though stupid, mistake or a deliberate lie?

And why do you bother?
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vanceen wrote:
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What is it the Hutus called the Tutsis in Rwanda? No, it wasn't "varmint". Completely different.
You're equating the likes of RTLM using the term cockroach while encouraging Hutus to engage in wholesale slaughter of their neighbors to Felix's use of varmint here? Yeah, completely different.


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vanceen wrote:
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What is it the Hutus called the Tutsis in Rwanda? No, it wasn't "varmint". Completely different.
Libtards versus Vermints in the US isn't really analogous to Hutus versus Tutsis in Rwanda. The Varmints are the ones in power, for one.

"Varmint" is a slur meant to exploit the insecurity complex of a truly nasty group of people in power at the moment. Donald Trump is a clod. He is an unlettered bully, a short-fingered vulgarian with no class. He always wanted to be accepted New York society, who knew him for what he is: a con man. There's a reason no one will do business with him more than once. Now he's getting his revenge, a tear of vandalism.

Donald Trump is the varmint archetype. He isn't Underclass; he is No Class.
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"Varmint" is a slur meant to exploit the insecurity complex of a truly nasty group of people in power at the moment.
Trouble is it's not easy for an ordinary Republican to know if you think he's vermin or not. I doubt they'd give you the benefit of the doubt,
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DCComic wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:46 pm
"Varmint" is a slur meant to exploit the insecurity complex of a truly nasty group of people in power at the moment.
Trouble is it's not easy for an ordinary Republican to know if you think he's vermin or not. I doubt they'd give you the benefit of the doubt,
Now is not the time for Reconciliation. Do you think someone like Annotated, arch-varmint of the Stew, will come around if the yoga-and-latte crowd Reach Out to him?
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Moethebartender wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:17 pm
vanceen wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:47 pm
What is it the Hutus called the Tutsis in Rwanda? No, it wasn't "varmint". Completely different.
You're equating the likes of RTLM using the term cockroach while encouraging Hutus to engage in wholesale slaughter of their neighbors to Felix's use of varmint here? Yeah, completely different.


Sure. After all, that was in Africa.

And dehumanizing groups of people usually leads to great outcomes.
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Post by vanceen » Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:57 pm

strife wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:51 pm
DCComic wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:46 pm
"Varmint" is a slur meant to exploit the insecurity complex of a truly nasty group of people in power at the moment.
Trouble is it's not easy for an ordinary Republican to know if you think he's vermin or not. I doubt they'd give you the benefit of the doubt,
Now is not the time for Reconciliation. Do you think someone like Annotated, arch-varmint of the Stew, will come around if the yoga-and-latte crowd Reach Out to him?
Far more likely that borderline Trump voters in 2016 will see the light and vote for people who call them vermin.

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strife wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:51 pm
DCComic wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:46 pm
"Varmint" is a slur meant to exploit the insecurity complex of a truly nasty group of people in power at the moment.
Trouble is it's not easy for an ordinary Republican to know if you think he's vermin or not. I doubt they'd give you the benefit of the doubt,
Now is not the time for Reconciliation. Do you think someone like Annotated, arch-varmint of the Stew, will come around if the yoga-and-latte crowd Reach Out to him?
It's the swing voters who decide elections. If calling anybody who voted Trump 'vermin' is a thing, they'll probably dig in.
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Post by strife » Sun Jul 08, 2018 5:11 pm

vanceen wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:57 pm
strife wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:51 pm
DCComic wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:46 pm


Trouble is it's not easy for an ordinary Republican to know if you think he's vermin or not. I doubt they'd give you the benefit of the doubt,
Now is not the time for Reconciliation. Do you think someone like Annotated, arch-varmint of the Stew, will come around if the yoga-and-latte crowd Reach Out to him?
Far more likely that borderline Trump voters in 2016 will see the light and vote for people who call them vermin.
If this trainwreck of an administration continues as I expect it will, a lot of borderline voters will probably stay home. Those aren't the people it refers to anyway. I have family members, usually straight-ticket Republican voters, who are appalled by Trump and won't be voting for him again. Varmints are the vandals who continue to embrace Trump.

Early in Trump's candidacy, before he'd found his base, I was amused. Considering his background (he donated $1000 to Hillary Clinton's senate campaign in 2002), I thought he was a moderate. I was wrong; he simply has no principles or convictions at all. He soon found his base, the people who sent him to the White House.
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Principles and convictions smack of altruism. Trump is self-serving. The only shock is how directly he gratifies himself.
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DCComic wrote:
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Principles and convictions smack of altruism. Trump is self-serving. The only shock is how directly he gratifies himself.
He's also shocking in how coarse and callous he is.
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vanceen wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:55 pm
Moethebartender wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:17 pm
vanceen wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:47 pm
What is it the Hutus called the Tutsis in Rwanda? No, it wasn't "varmint". Completely different.
You're equating the likes of RTLM using the term cockroach while encouraging Hutus to engage in wholesale slaughter of their neighbors to Felix's use of varmint here? Yeah, completely different.


Sure. After all, that was in Africa.

And dehumanizing groups of people usually leads to great outcomes.

That was Africa? No shit? Trying to imply that I'm a racist or something, are you? I assure you, I know far more about that conflict than you do. Everything is the same as everything else! Whataboutism at it's finest. Wake me up when someone breaks out a machete because someone on Political Stew called Trump voters varmints, and I'll join you in petitioning the UN to try him for war crimes.

Frankly, your post is beyond stupid and has moved into firmly into offensive territory.
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vanceen wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:57 pm
strife wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:51 pm
DCComic wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:46 pm


Trouble is it's not easy for an ordinary Republican to know if you think he's vermin or not. I doubt they'd give you the benefit of the doubt,
Now is not the time for Reconciliation. Do you think someone like Annotated, arch-varmint of the Stew, will come around if the yoga-and-latte crowd Reach Out to him?
Far more likely that borderline Trump voters in 2016 will see the light and vote for people who call them vermin.
This last statement, removed from the context of this thread and taken by itself, made me think.

In actuality, Hillary described "half of them (as) deplorables." Not all of them; half of them. People overlook that.

And really, that one remark notwithstanding, all the name-calling and incivility of 2016, including to candidates in his own party, came from one man.

Somehow, that overriding truth might resonate more loudly by 2020.

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“You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?” Clinton said. “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.”

She said the other half of Trump’s supporters “feel that the government has let them down” and are “desperate for change.”

“Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well,” she said.
What percentage of Trump supporters — say, of the people who show up at Trump rallies — would you say are either sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic, racist, or otherwise deplorable, Logg?

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Post by vanceen » Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:46 pm

Moethebartender wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:19 pm
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Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:55 pm
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You're equating the likes of RTLM using the term cockroach while encouraging Hutus to engage in wholesale slaughter of their neighbors to Felix's use of varmint here? Yeah, completely different.


Sure. After all, that was in Africa.

And dehumanizing groups of people usually leads to great outcomes.

That was Africa? No shit? Trying to imply that I'm a racist or something, are you? I assure you, I know far more about that conflict than you do. Everything is the same as everything else! Whataboutism at it's finest. Wake me up when someone breaks out a machete because someone on Political Stew called Trump voters varmints, and I'll join you in petitioning the UN to try him for war crimes.

Frankly, your post is beyond stupid and has moved into firmly into offensive territory.

There are actually intermediate positions between "everything is the same as everything else", and "nothing can be compared with anything else unless it is precisely the same". By the same logic, comparing two things is not the same as "equating" them, although it will usually be called that on the Internet.

I do my best to eschew personal comments on the Internet, so no, mentioning Africa was not meant to imply that you are racist (now that would be a stupid attempt at a point). It meant that I realize there are some big differences between the situation, some of them irrelevant (like the geography) and some of them very relevant. What I was comparing was the use of dehumanizing language in referring to groups of people.

Dehumanizing groups of people has probably not always led to disastrous consequences. But I think just about every instance of mass atrocities has involved the use of dehumanizing language against a group. Generally speaking, it has a bad enough history that I do my best to avoid using it, and I think it ought to ring some alarm bells when it's heard.

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Re: origins on PS of "varmints" as Trump supporters

Post by korgy » Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:03 pm

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This is varmintry.
yep. anyone who thinks "varmint" is simply a slur for "underclass" does not have a clue.

some of them may be underclass, but it's mostly irrelevant. regionalism in many cases may be more relevant.
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Re: origins on PS of "varmints" as Trump supporters

Post by VinceFoster » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:07 am

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Re: origins on PS of "varmints" as Trump supporters

Post by Ped_Yai » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:24 am

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“You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?” Clinton said. “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.”

She said the other half of Trump’s supporters “feel that the government has let them down” and are “desperate for change.”

“Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well,” she said.
What percentage of Trump supporters — say, of the people who show up at Trump rallies — would you say are either sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic, racist, or otherwise deplorable, Logg?

I was less concerned with Hillary referring to roughly 25 percent of the American people as "deplorable" than her referring to them as "irredeemable".

Because when they're irredeemable, the only thing you can do with them is round them up and get rid of them.
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Re: origins on PS of "varmints" as Trump supporters

Post by Lost Soul » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:39 am

Yup. Run Hillary!, run.
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INDICT HILLARY!

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Re: origins on PS of "varmints" as Trump supporters

Post by korgy » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:44 am

Ped_Yai wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:24 am
I was less concerned with Hillary referring to roughly 25 percent of the American people as "deplorable" than her referring to them as "irredeemable".
i agree with this. but as i have said many times, one of Hillary's biggest problems was that she told the truth. which is the opposite of how she has been characterized.

i would wager she was probably one of the most truthful Presidential candidates in recent history. telling the truth doesnt win elections.
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Re: origins on PS of "varmints" as Trump supporters

Post by Ped_Yai » Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:23 am

korgy wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:44 am
Ped_Yai wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:24 am
I was less concerned with Hillary referring to roughly 25 percent of the American people as "deplorable" than her referring to them as "irredeemable".
i agree with this. but as i have said many times, one of Hillary's biggest problems was that she told the truth. which is the opposite of how she has been characterized.

i would wager she was probably one of the most truthful Presidential candidates in recent history. telling the truth doesnt win elections.
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Re: origins on PS of "varmints" as Trump supporters

Post by VinnyD » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:18 am

What percentage of Trump supporters — say, of the people who show up at Trump rallies — would you say are either sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic, racist, or otherwise deplorable, Logg?

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Post by VinnyD » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:20 am

Let me put it another way, Logg. What percentage of the people who show up at Trump rallies are not unacceptably sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic, racist, or otherwise deplorable?

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Re: origins on PS of "varmints" as Trump supporters

Post by korgy » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:01 pm

VinnyD wrote:
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What percentage of Trump supporters — say, of the people who show up at Trump rallies — would you say are either sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic, racist,
i would say app 99% of the people at Trump rallies are one of those things.
or otherwise deplorable,
problem is, i dont think many of them would believe that they are some of those things, and moreso, i dont believe they believe their beliefs are "deplorable".
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Re: origins on PS of "varmints" as Trump supporters

Post by strife » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:05 pm

VinnyD wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:20 am
Let me put it another way, Logg. What percentage of the people who show up at Trump rallies are not unacceptably sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic, racist, or otherwise deplorable?
I'd guess around half. The other half don't mind endorsing the bigotry of their fellow travelers.
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Re: origins on PS of "varmints" as Trump supporters

Post by VinnyD » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:06 pm

I don't go as high as 99%, but I think it's easily 50%. So it depends on what she meant by "Trump supporters". If she meant only "people who would vote for Trump rather than me," then I think, or at least hope, that she was wrong. If she meant the people who are enthusiasts for Trump, e.g. who turn up for rallies or voted for him in the primaries or wear MAGA hats, then I think she was probably quite accurate.

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Re: origins on PS of "varmints" as Trump supporters

Post by korgy » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:16 pm

Ped_Yai wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:23 am
i would wager she was probably one of the most truthful Presidential candidates in recent history. telling the truth doesnt win elections.
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to be clear, i was talking about the most recent election. i do not believe there were any 'ducking-to-avoid-sniper-fire-in-Bosnia' moments, and for the most part. she had learned from some previous mistakes. she was very careful about her facts, and more importantly, about the legitimacy of her policy plans. the latter is not always the best thing for a political candidate either.
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