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Post by shunter » Wed May 02, 2018 5:28 pm

temporaryhandle2 wrote:
Wed May 02, 2018 11:28 am
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Are you mad?

Corbyn has already had his chance to show true leadership and put himself out there as a firm advocate for Remain.

I admire certain parts of his qualities, but during the Referendum process was no time to go mincing about the issue.

And to be honest, I am still unclear as to his true views.

What I have read is every serious Labour politician from the past 25/years criticising him for his approach.

And it was in the Labour heartlands (North East, Wales, Midlands) that the referendum was lost!
Corbyn should have from the outset advocated leaving the eu but staying in the customs union. He’d be reaping the political benefit now. He could start now.

For all the corbynista criticism of Blair for his alleged superficiality, sound bites, media and electorate manipulation etc etc, the Corbyn approach of attempting to appeal to both sides by being utterly vague, is a disgrace. What a cunt this man is. Hopefully his bike will be hit by a bus.
Is he a cunt? From way over here, he seems to me to be an ineffectual, intellectual lightweight. A bumbling kind of twit who means well, but somehow manages to fuck up eveything he touches.

But I don't get to read everything he says and does.
He’s a cunt masquerading as an idiot.
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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Wed May 02, 2018 5:43 pm

Temp,

His hobby is being a 'drain spotter'

No that isn't a typo and no I am not joking.

Surprisingly, he has been married three times.

After his first divorce in the 70s he went on a motorbike tour of East Germany (nudge, nudge) with Diane Abbot, the thought of which makes me feel nauseous.

He is also an advocate of non confrontational warfare.

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Post by temporaryhandle2 » Wed May 02, 2018 10:16 pm

What on earth is non confrontational warfare?

Thanks for explaining all this to me, btw. I read stuff and try to keep up with events, but I don't think I had real appreciation of how chaotic things are for you guys right now.

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Post by Paddox1 » Thu May 03, 2018 4:26 am

It’s a total shit show. I didn’t get my overseas vote sorted in time, but I’d be hard pressed to know who to vote for today. The tories run my council well but I don’t think I could ever vote for them again. Plus it would be funny if they lost the council as it’s one of their Crown Jewels. On the other hand, I love having super cheap council tax and that would go up under labour.

The country is in a total mess. And the money being wasted on Brexit is obscene. Truly obscene.

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Post by temporaryhandle2 » Thu May 03, 2018 5:36 am

I assume if you have super cheap council rates, only minimum services are provided? Surely councils with large underprivileged populations will be providing services that have been cut by the Tories, so of course rates will be higher?

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Thu May 03, 2018 5:53 am

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The country is in a total mess
What the hell are you talking about?

Good to see you have your priorities right about cheap council tax though. Don't have to scratch you too hard to find the Tory girl underneath, teaching profession or not.

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Post by Paddox1 » Thu May 03, 2018 6:27 am

Cheap council tax and good services. We have a great library service, weekly bin collections, excellent schools. I don’t know how they do it but it’s a well run borough.

As may said yesterday, Lambeth, the next door borough, pay £300 a year more under a labour council. I’m not sure what this £300 buys them.

But, if I was voting, I’d not vote conservative. Labour would get my vote.

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Thu May 03, 2018 6:36 am

I'm scratching my head...

Why would you vote for Labour, based on what you have just posted?

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I'm scratching my head...

Why would you vote for Labour, based on what you have just posted?
Indeed! She says they do a good job and their taxes are low - so she’s voting for the other guy! Idiotic partisan nonsense.
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Post by Chi_Rup » Thu May 03, 2018 8:06 am

Grenfell, perhaps? Empathy, in general.

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The country is in a total mess
What the hell are you talking about?

Good to see you have your priorities right about cheap council tax though. Don't have to scratch you too hard to find the Tory girl underneath, teaching profession or not.
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Post by Paddox1 » Thu May 03, 2018 8:17 am

Because on a national level I hate what they are doing. That is shaping my local vote. I hate what they are doing to public services and education. I hate what they are doing with Brexit. Voting labour is more of a protest vote than anything as if the conservatives lose Wandsworth, it will be a small kick in the teeth.

I totally admit it makes no sense.

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Thu May 03, 2018 8:26 am

I'm voting Sinn Fein (for their record on potholes), Che' is voting SNP I assume (for their work saving the Millwall football ground), and Shunter is voting Lord Buckethead


Is Wellpisser still allowed to vote UKIP at a local level?

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Post by Chi_Rup » Thu May 03, 2018 8:51 am

Labour for Mayor, Green and Women’s Equality for the council. We’ve got a Grenfell related tale here, in that a massive luxury flat development by the river turns out to have flammable cladding on it and about 1000 residents are stuck there. Paid £500,000, current value £50,000.

So that, plus Windrush, depresses the Conservative vote.

Even though Labour tried to sell Millwall Stadium they’ll still get almost all the seats because no one like us, we don’t care.

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Post by shunter » Thu May 03, 2018 8:55 am

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Thu May 03, 2018 8:06 am
Grenfell, perhaps? Empathy, in general.
“empathy in general”

The idea that labour Care More is just stupid
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I'm voting Sinn Fein (for their record on potholes), Che' is voting SNP I assume (for their work saving the Millwall football ground), and Shunter is voting Lord Buckethead


Is Wellpisser still allowed to vote UKIP at a local level?
Lib Dem for me all the way.
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Post by Chi_Rup » Thu May 03, 2018 9:00 am

I’ve heard Lib Dem have some support amongst the hipster gentrifiers, but their candidate for Mayor looks like a sex offender and he sounds very annoyed.

The UKIP type is calling himself Veterans Party or something now.

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shunter wrote:
Thu May 03, 2018 8:55 am
Chi_Rup wrote:
Thu May 03, 2018 8:06 am
Grenfell, perhaps? Empathy, in general.
“empathy in general”

The idea that labour Care More is just stupid
After the Windrush deportations and the Tories voting to keep the documentation secret?
You're kidding.
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Post by Chi_Rup » Thu May 03, 2018 9:18 am

shunter wrote:
Thu May 03, 2018 8:55 am
Chi_Rup wrote:
Thu May 03, 2018 8:06 am
Grenfell, perhaps? Empathy, in general.
“empathy in general”

The idea that labour Care More is just stupid
The main difference between Conservative and Labour is that the former will relax safety regulations until people die, the latter will demolish their homes and sell the land to developers.

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Post by temporaryhandle2 » Thu May 03, 2018 9:34 am

Paddox1 wrote:
Thu May 03, 2018 8:17 am
Because on a national level I hate what they are doing. That is shaping my local vote. I hate what they are doing to public services and education. I hate what they are doing with Brexit. Voting labour is more of a protest vote than anything as if the conservatives lose Wandsworth, it will be a small kick in the teeth.

I totally admit it makes no sense.
For what it's worth, I think it makes sense. That's what having a vote is all about. Making an informed decision and voting according to your conscience.

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Thu May 03, 2018 9:38 am

Yes, I was only pulling your leg, paddox

Personally I won't be voting Labour because I don't want to give Beardface any encouragement.

I may actually go and pull the pamphlets out if the bin, they looked all same same.

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Post by Chi_Rup » Thu May 03, 2018 9:44 am

I thought this leaflet, distributed in Ilford, was appropriate:

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Post by temporaryhandle2 » Thu May 03, 2018 10:08 am

Sums up everything that's wrong with modern politics. No conviction, just managerialism. "Win an election in 10 easy steps. We tell you how".

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Post by Iolar » Thu May 03, 2018 11:59 am

May is like a cockroach. She just keeps clinging on to power. She'll be the only thing to survive a nuclear holocaust.

How is this possible? Is it that nobody wants the gig? Or is she too stupid to have a coherent opinion on anything - irritating everyone but offending nobody? It's perplexing.
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Post by shunter » Thu May 03, 2018 12:04 pm

DCComic wrote:
Thu May 03, 2018 9:07 am
shunter wrote:
Thu May 03, 2018 8:55 am
Chi_Rup wrote:
Thu May 03, 2018 8:06 am
Grenfell, perhaps? Empathy, in general.
“empathy in general”

The idea that labour Care More is just stupid
After the Windrush deportations and the Tories voting to keep the documentation secret?
You're kidding.
I’m serious. I don’t believe the leftist heart is biger than the rightists. It’s just a vanity of left wing people.

Do you and chi rup care more? Bullshit
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Thu May 03, 2018 10:08 am
Sums up everything that's wrong with modern politics. No conviction, just managerialism. "Win an election in 10 easy steps. We tell you how".
That’s ridiculous. The point of the proforma leaflet is completely reasonable - clearly not filling it in before sending to the printers is beyond dumb.
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Post by brodie_bruce » Thu May 03, 2018 12:23 pm

I had a pamphlet from the local Torys saying something like "We called past to hear your views" followed by a "Sorry we missed you". I think they should be grateful they missed me as I suspect they wouldn't like my views at all and yeah, I know it's a local election however the national policies have had a big effect on my area.

Still, I did learn something today - "Whig came from an old word for yokel or "country bumpkin"; Tory is derived from the Irish Gaelic word tóraidhe, meaning outlaw." (might be common knowledge if you were born here but we didn't quite cover this in Australian high school history classes).
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I trust you have all done your done your democratic duty today.
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Of course!
Tories out!
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I trust you have all done your done your democratic duty today.
Not yet. Had to leave for work at 5:45 this morning which was a bit early for the Polling Stations to open up - I will be leaving work in time to get home to vote before heading to the pub for Atletico v Arsenal though.
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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Thu May 03, 2018 3:08 pm

This will be the second time I have ever voted. I am currently at a success rate of 0-1

To my defence, I was disenfranchised at the 2015 GE - I did register in time.

And I was in Holland and Australia for two of the previous.

Did I ever post about the time I came in from the pub and went on Talk Radio in the late 90s!
I talked about my dissertation on Lenin and the New Economic Policy, and how it was important for us all to vote (the general topic). I was applauded for being a bright young man.

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Post by Chi_Rup » Thu May 03, 2018 4:11 pm

Remember, everyone. They’re council elections - there are no real winners.

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You dour Scot.

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Stephen_Dedalus wrote:
Thu May 03, 2018 8:26 am
I'm voting Sinn Fein (for their record on potholes), Che' is voting SNP I assume (for their work saving the Millwall football ground), and Shunter is voting Lord Buckethead


Is Wellpisser still allowed to vote UKIP at a local level?
I did not vote this year (it would have been postal). I live in SW10 FFS my vote has never made any difference but I would never vote Labour under Corbyn. Lady Nugees latest performance confirms that.

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Iolar wrote:
Thu May 03, 2018 11:59 am
May is like a cockroach. She just keeps clinging on to power. She'll be the only thing to survive a nuclear holocaust.

How is this possible? Is it that nobody wants the gig? Or is she too stupid to have a coherent opinion on anything - irritating everyone but offending nobody? It's perplexing.
Nobody knows hiw yhe Maybot clings on. There is no efective opposition opposite her and she leads a Party with Remain MPs bilut a Leave support base. Her dxtreme idiocy in not choosing the EEA option as part of a gradual withdrawal is extraordinary but both her snd Rudd massively overcompensated for being Remainers. Her immigration views now and in the past are shameful beyond words, her approach to justice is something out of the dark ages. I was prepared yo give her the benefit of the doubt based on nothing much but her friendship eith Benazir who I always admired but she is a disaster.

As with Psycho Brooon I suspect that she may be struggling with mental health issues brought on by the stress ofvthe job.

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Agree with all that. Leaving the eu should have been a 10 year task involving several rounds of general elections and therefore an opportunity for the electorate to judge the progress and the aims. Had May gone for EEA and then called her general election then that could have been fought on competing visions of Brexit
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Post by Wellpisser » Fri May 04, 2018 1:23 am

Watching the local results and Labour can't lay a glove on her.

Even Ed Milliband would make mincemeat out of this shambles of a government

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Agree with all that. Leaving the eu should have been a 10 year task involving several rounds of general elections and therefore an opportunity for the electorate to judge the progress and the aims. Had May gone for EEA and then called her general election then that could have been fought on competing visions of Brexit
I cannot tell you how shocked and appalled I and nearly every Brexit supporter was when she decided-advised by just Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill and nobody else except maybe that cunt Heywood-to leave the EEA. She has no understanding of the issues or the complexity, it is (and youi know that I have always said this) a 10 year task to unwind 40 years of convergence. Madness.

As to the rest, it is playing out exactly as Varoufakis predicted, exactly as in "Adults in the Room", amazing to watch the EU strategy unroll as predicted in nearly every single way. A bit like watching Arsenal under George Graham or England under Sir Clive Woodward.

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Wellpisser wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 1:23 am
Watching the local results and Labour can't lay a glove on her.

Even Ed Milliband would make mincemeat out of this shambles of a government
Labour should be embarrassed. They had the best chance to make gains and they fucked it.

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Paddox1 wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 2:52 am
Wellpisser wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 1:23 am
Watching the local results and Labour can't lay a glove on her.

Even Ed Milliband would make mincemeat out of this shambles of a government
Labour should be embarrassed. They had the best chance to make gains and they fucked it.
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Post by The Mallard Missie » Fri May 04, 2018 5:58 am

Even though I didn't vote for them, I'm pleased Wandsworth stayed Tory as we had the repulsive Diane Abbott and Sadiq Khan out canvassing, and one must think of one's council tax, mustn't one? The lowest in the country. Up the Tories. Delighted that UKIP have been most verily quacked with gay abandon.
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Post by Paddox1 » Fri May 04, 2018 12:55 pm

Well those results have just breathed a bit more life into May.

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Post by shunter » Fri May 04, 2018 7:13 pm

Good to see my little part of the world gradually going back to being solidly Lib Dem
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Post by matt_melb » Fri May 04, 2018 11:29 pm

We've had many UK 'nearing the end-game' threads now.

Have any of them actually reached the end yet?

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shunter wrote:
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Good to see my little part of the world gradually going back to being solidly Lib Dem
Richmond? Most verily a high class area for a low class backpacking l00sing missie to live.
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The Mallard Missie wrote:
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shunter wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 7:13 pm
Good to see my little part of the world gradually going back to being solidly Lib Dem
Richmond? Most verily a high class area for a low class backpacking l00sing missie to live.
Kingston. And I’ve a damn sight more class than you, I’ll say.
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Kingston is a low class shithole - that new Primark is a giant carbuncle on the face of the world.
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What are you doing hanging around in primark, or don’t I want to know?
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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Sat May 05, 2018 8:51 pm

The next election won't be until 2022, Corbyn will be 72.

Surely he isn't going to be allowed to hang on for another 4 years, in the hope of forming a coalition with the minor parties.

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