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Send another drone into Israel and there will be a higher price to pay

Post by polardude1 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:57 pm

On Friday night, my family was jarred awake by air raid sirens as an Iranian dron entered Israeli airspace
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Syrian government official warns Israel of 'more surprises' being in store in the wake of the downing of the F-16 jet that attacked Iranian positions in the country Saturday; 'God willing they will see more surprises whenever they try to attack Syria,' the assistant foreign minister said.

The Syrian government said on Tuesday that Israel would face "more surprises" in future attacks on Syria's territory, after Syrian air defenses shot down an Israeli F-16 jet during the fiercest flare-up between the old foes in 36 years.


Syrian anti-aircraft fire downed the F-16 as it returned from a retaliatory bombing raid on Iran-backed positions in Syria after the incursion of an Iranian drone into Israeli airspace early on Saturday. Both Iran and Russia are supporting President Bashar Assad in Syria's near seven-year civil war.

"Have full confidence the aggressor will be greatly surprised because it thought this war—this war of attrition Syria has been exposed to for years—had made it incapable of confronting attacks," assistant foreign minister Ayman Sussan said.

"God willing they will see more surprises whenever they try to attack Syria," Sussan said during a Damascus news conference.



The downed F-16 was the first warplane Israel has lost to enemy fire since its 1982 Lebanon war. Its two-man crew survived, with injuries, after bailing out of the stricken jet.



Israel retaliated by destroying around half of Syria's anti-aircraft batteries, according to an initial assessment shared with Reuters by an Israeli official who requested anonymity.


Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Sunday that Israeli forces would press ahead with Syria operations in Syria, where it has launched scores of sorties against suspected arms transfers to Iranian-sponsored Lebanese Hezbollah terrorists.


In Kiryat Shmona on Tuesday, Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman told reporters, "There are no limitations (on military operations), and nor do we accept any limitations ... We will respond to every provocation."


"We will continue to defend our vital security and other interests. And I would like to paraphrase the well-known saying: 'This is not the time to bark, this is the time to bite.'"
Tehran's involvement in Syria, including the deployment of Iran-backed forces near the Golan Heights, has alarmed Israel. It has also has accused Iran of building precision-guided missile factories for Hezbollah in Lebanon.


Syria and Hezbollah celebrated the F-16 shoot-down as a blow to Israeli military superiority. Israel's Army Radio said on Tuesday that investigators believed pilot error—rather than Syrian capabilities—were mainly at fault for the F-16's failure to evade what was probably an aged SA-5 missile.

Saturday's incident stirred up further questions in Israel about the effectiveness of a coordination mechanism set up with Russia, which has also been reinforcing and arming Assad's army.


Russian President Vladimir Putin responded to the flare-up by urging Prime Minister Netanyahu to avoid escalation in Syria. Moscow said on Monday it did not have information to support Israel's allegation about an Iranian military presence in the site bombed for launching the drone.


Ze'ev Elkin, a Russian-speaking Israeli cabinet minister who serves as Netanyahu's interpreter in the talks with Putin, defended the coordination mechanism on Tuesday as granting Israel "freedom of action in the skies above Lebanon and Syria."

"I don't think the Russians ever pledged that they would take military action against the Iranians and the Syrians for us," Elkin told Israel Radio.

"We are going one-on-one against the Syrians. We don't need assistance from the Russians. We know how to deal with Syrian anti-aircraft fire, as everyone ultimately saw."
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Re: Send another drone into Israel and there will be a higher price to pay

Post by Shavenhead » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:08 pm

The snakepit continues to evolve...
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Post by polardude1 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:18 pm

Shavenhead » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:08 pm

The snakepit continues to evolve...
I'm guessing Iran will rethink their approach
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Post by Shavenhead » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:02 pm

So now that ISIS has been evicted, one would have thought this could be a great time to rethink relentless killing in the snakepit and consider other pastimes. Perhaps cricket.
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Post by Argonheart_Po » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:37 pm

Good for Israel.
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Post by polardude1 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:47 pm

So now that ISIS has been evicted, one would have thought this could be a great time to rethink relentless killing in the snakepit and consider other pastimes. Perhaps cricket.
Iran and Hezbollah were emboldened by their victory
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Post by coffeeguy » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:28 pm

Interesting all this at same time when Netanyahu is indicted...

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Post by eric84 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:30 pm

Does Natanyahu resign or fight? If he fights, he has to create distractions.
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Post by Citizen Baba » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:34 pm

Polar's headline sounds like he's watching Rambo 8 and talking to the television.

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Post by Citizen Baba » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:35 pm

It would make sense if Israel used the Golan Heights to house refugees.

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Post by polardude1 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:41 pm

Unread post by eric84 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:30 pm

Does Natanyahu resign or fight? If he fights, he has to create distractions.
Actually the drone came on Saturday morning before the police recommended an indictment. The Iranians did not send the drone to help Netanyahu.
coffeeguy » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:28 pm

Interesting all this at same time when Netanyahu is indicted...
it's actually a recommendation for indictment. It will be a period until the AG decides to issue the indictment





by eric84 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:30 pm

Does Natanyahu resign or fight? If he fights, he has to create distractions.
Depends on if he is actually indicted. I should hope he resigns, but the drone was not an distraction. Sorry to disappoint you.


by Citizen Baba » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:35 pm

It would make sense if Israel used the Golan Heights to house refugees
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i'm guessing you've never been to the Golan Heights
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Post by eric84 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:43 pm

Why wait for the indictment and resign gracefully?
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Post by Citizen Baba » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:02 pm

I’ve been to Golan Heights as often as you’ve been to Tripoli.

Irregardles, isn’t it Syria’s? Would make sense to house Syrian refugees there.

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Post by Logg » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:18 pm

polardude1 wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:41 pm
Unread post by eric84 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:30 pm

Does Natanyahu resign or fight? If he fights, he has to create distractions.
Actually the drone came on Saturday morning before the police recommended an indictment. The Iranians did not send the drone to help Netanyahu.
coffeeguy » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:28 pm

Interesting all this at same time when Netanyahu is indicted...
it's actually a recommendation for indictment. It will be a period until the AG decides to issue the indictment





by eric84 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:30 pm

Does Natanyahu resign or fight? If he fights, he has to create distractions.
Depends on if he is actually indicted. I should hope he resigns, but the drone was not an distraction. Sorry to disappoint you.


by Citizen Baba » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:35 pm

It would make sense if Israel used the Golan Heights to house refugees
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i'm guessing you've never been to the Golan Heights
Thanks for the fact-based update. These commenters sound like right wingers trolling Obama.

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Post by Logg » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:18 pm

Logg wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:18 pm
polardude1 wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:41 pm
Unread post by eric84 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:30 pm

Does Natanyahu resign or fight? If he fights, he has to create distractions.
Actually the drone came on Saturday morning before the police recommended an indictment. The Iranians did not send the drone to help Netanyahu.
coffeeguy » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:28 pm

Interesting all this at same time when Netanyahu is indicted...
it's actually a recommendation for indictment. It will be a period until the AG decides to issue the indictment





by eric84 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:30 pm

Does Natanyahu resign or fight? If he fights, he has to create distractions.
Depends on if he is actually indicted. I should hope he resigns, but the drone was not an distraction. Sorry to disappoint you.


by Citizen Baba » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:35 pm

It would make sense if Israel used the Golan Heights to house refugees
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i'm guessing you've never been to the Golan Heights
Thanks for the fact-based update. These commenters sound like right wingers trolling Hillary.

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Post by eric84 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:30 pm

Benjamin Netanyahu: Israel's dilemma over PM's future
By Colin Shindler
Emeritus professor, SOAS, University of London

Benjamin Netanyahu has pledged that he will remain at his post

During his first tenure as Israel's prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu was dubbed "the magician" by the local media because of his uncanny ability to extricate himself from the most difficult of situations - starting with his unexpected victory over Shimon Peres in the 1996 election.

Mr Netanyahu's luck - or expertise - may have run its course. It appears that police investigations into rumours and innuendo about corruption which have been swirling around the Netanyahu family for years are now turning into more solid cases.

There are now four police investigations - two against Mr Netanyahu and his family, two against his inner circle.

Case 1000 accuses Mr Netanyahu and his family of accepting gifts from an array of figures such as the Hollywood entrepreneur, Arnon Milchan and the Australian businessman, James Packer, which were not "of small value and reasonable in context", according to Israeli law.

Netanyahu: The commando turned PM
Mr Netanyahu's wife, Sara, is suspected of accepting 400,000 shekels (£81,000; $113,100) and of instituting cordon bleu meals on a regular basis for the family at the PM's residence - a privilege usually reserved for state visitors.

The Israeli press lays most of the blame for this state of affairs at the door of Sara, who - it appears - has been instrumental in pushing for this lifestyle and possesses a reputation for treating employees badly.

Case 2000 involves a deal with the daily Yediot Aharanot to secure better coverage for Mr Netanyahu's policies in exchange for weakening its rival, the hitherto loyal, freebie, Israel Hayom, owned by US businessman Sheldon Adelson.

A taped telephone conversation with Arnon Mozes, Yediot's publisher, and the testimony of Mr Netanyahu's former chief of staff Ari Harow - now a state witness - appear to have turned the tide.

Case 3000 involves Mr Netanyahu's lawyer and cousin, David Shimron, who is being investigated in a case regarding the acquisition of submarines from the German shipbuilder, Thyssen Krupp.

Several suspects have been detained including the former commander of the Israeli Navy. Unofficial lobbying, indirect bribes and senior officials turned state witness are all features of this case.

Case 4000 involves Shlomo Filber, a former head of the Central Committee of Mr Netanyahu's Likud party, who was appointed director-general of the ministry of communications shortly after the 2015 election.

Mr Netanyahu swiftly dismissed the former holder of the post when he proposed a broadband reform. Mr Filber is suspected of supplying insider information to Bezeq, the major telecom company in Israel. He denies this.

Contradicting Zionist values
All this has left a pungent odour rising from the depths - such behaviour is regarded as far removed from the ethos of Israel's founding generation, whether left or right.

Israel's socialist founding father David Ben-Gurion lived in a simple apartment in Kibbutz Sde Boqer in the Negev desert - he paid more attention to his library than to his living conditions.

Another revered Likud prime minister, Menahem Begin, and his wife lived in basic housing near Tel Aviv's seafront.

Significantly, there have also been public demonstrations against corruption by members of Mr Netanyahu's party.

The protesters have invoked the name of Vladimir Jabotinsky, the ideological founder of the Israeli Right - again a figure who famously never looked for riches and condemned corruption.

The changeover from a stagnant command economy, run by socialists, to a globalised, deregulated one in the 1980s produced a plethora of self-made millionaires in Israel.

It also created an incentive for politicians to make their own fortune and to mix with well-heeled businessmen who could help them in their political endeavours.

Mr Netanyahu's predecessors, Ehud Barak and Ariel Sharon, were the subjects of investigation, while Ehud Olmert was convicted and sent to prison.

In one sense, such an atmosphere contradicted the very values of Zionism - not only to create a new state, but to forge a new society unlike the corrupt ones they had left behind.

PM in defiant mood

Mr Netanyahu has ridiculed the accusations levelled at him and hit back Trump-like against the head of the police anti-corruption unit and other officials.

The journalistic investigations in these cases are deemed to be the work of "a leftist media".

During a 10-minute live TV response to the police indictment on Tuesday evening, Mr Netanyahu protested his innocence and reminded his audience of his devotion to the state of Israel.

Describing the charges as a culmination of a campaign of slander against him personally and a vilification of his family, Mr Netanyahu pledged that he would remain at his post and that his coalition of the centre-right and the far-right would continue to govern.

Opposition figures immediately called for his resignation.

Education Minister Naftali Bennett is seen as a political rival of Mr Netanyahu
Mr Netanyahu's far-right allies in the government do not wish to see him in the courtroom since it would almost certainly mean a breakup of the coalition that has governed Israel for most of the last decade.

Education Minister Naftali Bennett, a political rival of Mr Netanyahu, questioned whether a prime minister should be "overthrown for the sake of a few cigars", while Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked pointed out that Mr Netanyahu did not have to resign if he was indicted.

There is also a dilemma for the public.

Despite the deep suspicion that Mr Netanyahu does not possess a moral compass, he is seen as the guarantor of security in a time of trauma in the Arab world.

He is the national goalkeeper who keeps the nation safe.

If Israel's arch-enemy Iran presses on with its build-up of hostile forces in Syria and continues to supply arms to its allies in Lebanon, the public may close its eyes to Mr Netanyahu's flaws and demand that security concerns take precedence.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43053037
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Post by jedgarandclyde » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:06 am

I do think that the higher tensions in the region will help the PM in the shorter term, but when it dies down i do think he will come under the microscope again.

Times of unrest usually helps those in power.
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Post by polardude1 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:37 pm

Irregardles, isn’t it Syria’s? Would make sense to house Syrian refugees there.
Syria hardly exist and the Golan will not be returned any time son. if any piece of land is of strategic importance, it's the Golan. I also doubt the thriving Druse community would want to be returned to Syria at the moment. They have access to full citizenship in Israel
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 by eric84 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:43 pm

Why wait for the indictment and resign gracefully?
Who knows what he will do. The indictment has not been issued yet and his coalition has not yet abandoned him

by Citizen Baba » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:02 pm

I’ve been to Golan Heights as often as you’ve been to Tripoli
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So you have no idea what you're talking about. You've been to Tripoli and Beirut. There is a Hezbollah (Iran's proxy army strong hold in the south that you are oblivious to
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