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Post by Argonheart_Po » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:13 pm

When it comes to child sex abuse in aid work, the Oxfam revelations are just the tip of the iceberg

As disgusting as it might seem, as authorities crack down on paedophilia in the developed world, predatory paedophiles are now going to the developing world to gain access to children. One of their preferred methods is to join a children’s charity...

Oxfam is far from alone with sexual harassment, rape and child rape accusations. The problem is becoming more well known in the entire aid industry. The UK’s former National Criminal Intelligence Service, which registered and monitored the activities of paedophiles, warned as far back as 1999 that the scale of the problem of paedophiles in the aid world is on a level with sex tourism.
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Post by Citizen Baba » Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:04 am

Oxfam staff member were accused of rape in Haiti?

Tell me more.

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Post by Argonheart_Po » Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:45 am

Why do you want to minimise the fact that an organisation that has been exposed as covering up a sex ring of their workers using victims of a disaster in Haiti? One that was using underage girls as prostitutes.

Tell us again, perhaps from your personal experience, how children consent to sex.
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Post by Citizen Baba » Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:48 am

You didn't answer the question.

Try again.

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Post by Argonheart_Po » Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:52 am

I did answer it.

You’re pretending that I didn’t.

Let me ask you again, genius, how do poverty stricken children consent to sex?
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Citizen Baba wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:04 am
Oxfam staff member were accused of rape in Haiti?

Tell me more.

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Post by Argonheart_Po » Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:57 am

You’re an embarrassment to yourself.
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Post by Citizen Baba » Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:59 am

It only took three replies for you to change the subject.

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Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:52 am

Let me ask you again, genius, how do poverty stricken children consent to sex?
Cough it up Baba.
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Post by Citizen Baba » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:02 am

Argonheart_Po wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:00 am
Argonheart_Po wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:52 am

Let me ask you again, genius, how do poverty stricken children consent to sex?
Cough it up Baba.
You're sure they had sex with children? The articles seemed rather qualified on that part, but you're sure. How are you sure?

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Post by BulletPark » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:07 am

Possibly the same reason he thought you knew?

Possibly.

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Post by Argonheart_Po » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:35 am

Citizen Baba wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:02 am
Argonheart_Po wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:00 am
Argonheart_Po wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:52 am

Let me ask you again, genius, how do poverty stricken children consent to sex?
Cough it up Baba.
You're sure they had sex with children? The articles seemed rather qualified on that part, but you're sure. How are you sure?
You think that having sex with poverty-stricken, child victims of national disasters involves consent.

What the fuck went wrong with you?
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Post by BulletPark » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:36 am

Steam is beginning to emerge from the nostrils.

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Post by Citizen Baba » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:37 am

BulletPark wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:36 am
Steam is beginning to emerge from the nostrils.
He should take the emus for a walk.

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Post by BulletPark » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:38 am

Or the platypus for a drag.

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Post by Argonheart_Po » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:40 am

Emus? Didn’t take you long to try and change the subject. Let me remind you:
Argonheart_Po wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:00 am
Argonheart_Po wrote:
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Let me ask you again, genius, how do poverty stricken children consent to sex?
Cough it up Baba.
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Post by Citizen Baba » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:41 am

Argonheart_Po wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:40 am
Emus? Didn’t take you long to try and change the subject. Let me remind you:
Argonheart_Po wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:00 am
Argonheart_Po wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:52 am

Let me ask you again, genius, how do poverty stricken children consent to sex?
Cough it up Baba.
I'm just enjoying myself while you hazard a response to this:

You're sure they had sex with children? The articles seemed rather qualified on that part, but you're sure. How are you sure?

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Post by Argonheart_Po » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:44 am

It says some of them looked underage.

The Oxfam aid-workers called the Oxfam rape parties “young meat barbecues”.

Tell us - finally tell us - what makes you think poverty stricken, child victims of natural disasters consent to sex in those circumstances?
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Post by Citizen Baba » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:46 am

Argonheart_Po wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:44 am
It says some of them looked underage.

The Oxfam aid-workers called the Oxfam rape parties “young meat barbecues”.

Tell us - finally tell us - what makes you think poverty stricken, child victims of natural disasters consent to sex in those circumstances?
"Some of them looked underage" = rapists!

Who is the virtue signaler here?

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Post by Argonheart_Po » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:48 am

You find yourself making excuses for degenerate child-rapists, exploiting young victims of natural disaster.

What would your employers or your peers, or your parents think of you now?
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Post by BulletPark » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:49 am

As the people in question were blicks, I suppose Potato Fuck would be fine with it. Your mother I'm less sure of.



Oh wait, HIS parents.

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Argonheart_Po wrote:
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You find yourself making excuses for degenerate child-rapists, exploiting young victims of natural disaster.

What would your employers or your peers, or your parents think of you now?
As always, I believe in facts. What are the facts here? There's a lot of shit we don't know because whatever info out there has been majorly qualified. Over the past decade or so, aid organizations have spent a lot of money on countering any possible malfeasance by staff. Work contracts usually include clauses that expats can't solicit prostitutes, and there are reporting systems whereby every staff member knows they can submit an anonymous complaint about the behavior of another staff member. An HR member at the headquarters level needs to investigate the claim within 72 hours (of the ones I know). It seems like that system worked in this instance and those staff members who were engaged in the behavior were fired.

Every industry has people that behave badly. Not every industry or organization has systems to deal with the bad behavior firmly and in a timely manner. This isn't Hollywood.

Your outrage is highly selective as usual.

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Post by BulletPark » Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:06 am

Dear me, common sense.

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Post by Citizen Baba » Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:12 am

And, while I've never dealt with anything remotely similar in my career, I can assure you that when I've even gotten a whiff of a sexual harassment claim, I dropped what I was doing and dealt with it immediately. Outside of blue collar jobs, everywhere I've ever worked has had zero tolerance of that type of behavior.

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Citizen Baba wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:56 am
Argonheart_Po wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:48 am
You find yourself making excuses for degenerate child-rapists, exploiting young victims of natural disaster.

What would your employers or your peers, or your parents think of you now?
As always, I believe in facts. What are the facts here? There's a lot of shit we don't know because whatever info out there has been majorly qualified. Over the past decade or so, aid organizations have spent a lot of money on countering any possible malfeasance by staff. Work contracts usually include clauses that expats can't solicit prostitutes, and there are reporting systems whereby every staff member knows they can submit an anonymous complaint about the behavior of another staff member. An HR member at the headquarters level needs to investigate the claim within 72 hours (of the ones I know). It seems like that system worked in this instance and those staff members who were engaged in the behavior were fired.

Every industry has people that behave badly. Not every industry or organization has systems to deal with the bad behavior firmly and in a timely manner. This isn't Hollywood.

Your outrage is highly selective as usual.
Facts?

Except they weren’t all fired were they? And Oxfam didn’t pass on information about the rapists to other agencies. Nor did they inform the police as UK and Haitian law requires.

But ask yourself this - how on earth did you find yourself spending 15-20 replies over two threads trying to minimise their despicable, predatory behaviour?

What’s wrong with you?
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Post by Citizen Baba » Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:50 am

Argonheart_Po wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:40 am

Facts?

Except they weren’t all fired were they?
Which weren't fired?
And Oxfam didn’t pass on information about the rapists to other agencies.
They were rapists? You're sure? Not sure how it works in other countries, but you could get sued for passing on derogatory information about employees, unless you had hard proof.
Nor did they inform the police as UK and Haitian law requires.
Which laws are you referring to?

Do you think they had house boys?

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Post by Argonheart_Po » Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:54 am

I could get sued?

Haha.

Let me ask you again, with no hope that you’ll find an answer: in what way can poverty stricken, underage victims of national disaster consent to sex?
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Post by Citizen Baba » Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:56 am

Argonheart_Po wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:54 am
I could get sued?

Haha.

Let me ask you again, with no hope that you’ll find an answer: in what way can poverty stricken, underage victims of national disaster consent to sex?
How do you know they were underage?

I must confess, I don't know if they were or not, but somehow you apparently do. How?

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Post by Argonheart_Po » Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:10 am

No reply.

You won’t answer, because you know the answer.

Again - what is wrong with you? What would the people who know you think of you, if they knew you actually think like this?
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Post by BulletPark » Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:14 am

They'd probably think: "Gee, Baba sure got Argo's goat. Or kangaroo or whatever it is."

Fan your head, dear. Perhaps an ice cold glass of apricot juice will calm you down.

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BulletPark wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:14 am
They'd probably think: "Gee, Baba sure got Argo's goat. Or kangaroo or whatever it is."

Fan your head, dear. Perhaps an ice cold glass of apricot juice will calm you down.
Yeah, I’m enjoying myself.

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Post by Argonheart_Po » Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:06 am

You’re hoping to change the subject again.

Meanwhile Oxfam is the subject of new revelations in The Observer that Oxfam aid workers used to bus prostitutes in to their property in Chad for sex parties.

Oxfam - making shitholes worse. One country at a time.
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Argonheart_Po wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:06 am

Meanwhile Oxfam is the subject of new revelations in The Observer that Oxfam aid workers used to bus prostitutes in to their property in Chad for sex parties.
That filled you with glee, I’m sure.

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Post by The Mallard Missie » Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:13 am

"87 incidents of sexual abuse recorded at Oxfam last year, 53 of them referred to police or other external authorities. 20 dismissals" (quote from Andrew Neil).

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“Don’t give to charity because you’ll be funding abuse.”
People will die, but You can keep your money for cars and TVs!

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Post by The Mallard Missie » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:21 am

There are hundreds of smaller charities to which one can donate and which don't pay their incompetent, lying CEOs £250,000+.

Whilst I do patronize some Oxfam shops, I never make donations to them, much preferring other charities.
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Better a charity that handles £100 million and pays its CEO £250,000 or 10 that each handle £10 million and pay their CEOs £40k?
(Each with their own admin overheads)
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That’s why it’s always good to give to religious charities. They never practice any back door shenanigans.
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Post by The Mallard Missie » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:39 am

Godjira wrote:
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That’s why it’s always good to give to religious charities. They never practice any back door shenanigans.
Such as Catholic ones where there is most verily plenty of back passage activity?
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DCComic wrote:
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Better a charity that handles £100 million and pays its CEO £250,000 or 10 that each handle £10 million and pay their CEOs £40k?
(Each with their own admin overheads)
In the case of the Rohingyas I plumped for a UK based Muslim charity that had personal experience of the region. I would never have donated to Oxfam as they may well have been raping the women.
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Post by DCComic » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:46 am

I doubt Oxfam has a monopoly on abusers.
It may have more experience eliminating them.
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Post by Argonheart_Po » Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:42 am

This topic is difficult reading for many people. I understand people would rather shy away from the issue of child rape. Just in typing the words for this article I feel uncomfortable. One of the reasons that the Catholic Church avoided responsibility for so long is that it was too difficult for people, especially Catholics, to accept that their institution was responsible for covering up heinous acts.

It is similar in aid.

I am a former aid worker and thus am part of a group on Facebook, “Fifty Shades of Aid”. This group is made up of former and current aid workers with almost 17,000 members. There has been a lot of discussion on the Oxfam revelations and the broader topic of sex abuse by aid workers.

There have been many good comments about the need to clean and fix the industry. But there have been other comments, including: “The allegations of child abuse here are speculated by the media and adding to the witch hunt mentality” and: “Please also remember that The Times is on a huge anti-aid tirade”.

Do some people hate aid? Yes. Do some right-wing libertarians want to rip down the whole aid system? Yes. But do you defend the aid system by hiding its biggest shame, child abuse? No.

I understand the “shoot the messenger” mentality. Many Catholics still feel that the Church has been unfairly targeted. Many aid workers will feel the same. But like many Catholics, many aid workers will, now and in the future, have to ask themselves: “What did I do to try and stop it?”
I hope the aid industry is having it’s Catholic Church realisation. And that the obfuscation and deliberate minimisation shown here by our resident aid worker is not representative of the industry as a whole.
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Post by Argonheart_Po » Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:52 am

The Mallard Missie wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:13 am
"87 incidents of sexual abuse recorded at Oxfam last year, 53 of them referred to police or other external authorities. 20 dismissals" (quote from Andrew Neil).

Always best to donate to the small charities.
So it’s safe to assume, given that only about 15% of sex crimes are reported in western countries (can we say that the figure is likely to be much lower in poverty stricken disaster areas - probably) that sexual predation is a fairly common behaviour among international aid workers.
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Post by Godjira » Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:01 pm

Probably not as common as among Christian aid workers.
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Post by Chi_Rup » Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:20 pm

Po is deeply affected by the problem of toxic masculinity. It’s finally got through to him.

Either that or he’s rape posting for kicks, it’s one or the other.

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Post by northern_goddess » Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:07 pm

Po's original point had nothing to do with how awful he thought the actual issue was, it was to try to tie it to "Lefties" or the imagined monolith he likes to call the "The Modern Left".
After the great glut of Hollywood and MeToo lefties outed as sexual predators, should we just assume that every left wing organisation is full of rapists and degenerates?
Since that thread didn't work out for him the way he hoped, he repackaged it (barely) and started a second thread, as he often does, now declaring he Cares Deeply about child rape, not simply blaming "Lefties" for something.

Po, you not only embarrass yourself here on a daily basis but you are transparent in what you do, to everyone but yourself.
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Re: Oxfam Child Rapists -“Just the tip of the aid industry iceberg”

Post by Citizen Baba » Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:12 pm

It’s just like the Catholic church scandal!

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Post by Argonheart_Po » Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:43 pm

Citizen Baba wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:12 pm
It’s just like the Catholic church scandal!
With you working in the papal press office.
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Re: Oxfam Child Rapists -“Just the tip of the aid industry iceberg”

Post by BulletPark » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:09 pm

How the golden curls are bouncing!

Muh-maw would be proud, Argo.

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Re: Oxfam Child Rapists -“Just the tip of the aid industry iceberg”

Post by Argonheart_Po » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:21 pm

It does give us an insight into how the permanently outraged and socially virtuous middle-class lefties think about the little people doesn’t it. They’re pious and puritanical and sanctimonious towards the rest of us - but happy to jump the bones of a 14 year old earthquake survivor, or if not then cover it up for the tribe.
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