Capitolhill wrote: ↑
Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:37 am
Logg wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:05 pm
Yes, dumb and corrupt is not as bad as clever and corrupt. It's nicer to have a guy who says "America First" because he's ignorant of history than someone (like Bannon) who says "America First" because he knows history.
Not to beat a dead horse, but Trump isn't just trash, he's anti-democratic. "Lock her up." "I love wikileaks." "The election is rigged."
About hanging chads and oligarchies....it's funny to remember that Dubya's brother was actually the governor of Florida at the time. In 2000, we could say 'that won't affect the outcome. America's not like that.' In today's climate, it sounds sketchy as hell just on the face of it.
Yes, dumb and corrupt is eons better than clever and corrupt. Who wouldn't rather play chess against some guy off the street who doesn't know the rules or against someone who's getting whispers in his ear from advisors with decades of playing experience?
Regarding the Florida election in 2000, there was a similar level of freak out regarding "anti-democractic" process. Post 9/11 was the most frightening period I've ever seen this country -- it's not even close. Railroading into Iraq, UN falsehoods, whatever the fuck John Ashcroft was up to, and a million other things. But currently, we need to run around like our hair is on fire due to recency bias, a helluva lot of bad optics, and empty rhetoric from Mr. Orange.
Look, if Kim Kardashian becomes the next President, I'll say Trump had a lasting impact on the country's psyche. Likewise if he just starts chucking nukes into NoKorea. Until then... Go to the beach. I've seen tangibly much, much worse.
Yes there was an anti-democratic freakout in 2000, but I wasn't part of it. I guess I'm more cynical now. I look at the scary shit you mention from the 2000 term as being enabled by an exogenous event--911, not Dubya's election.
There's a difference between freaking out and paying attention. This is the most interesting time politically that I've lived through in my life and almost certainly the most anomalous presidency in the nation's history, at least since the Civil War or Andrew Jackson. This is a once-a-century event and the best thing since Watergate, and you expect me to walk away from it and go to the beach? I went to the beach when it was Obama v Romney. I stick around for this shit.
Assuming it's all over in 2020, I want to have been present for the shit show presidency that people are going to be talking about for generations. Assuming some sort of catastrophic 911 event happens tomorrow that changes everything, I want to be already engaged, not having to hastily lace up my shoes and play intellectual catchup.
I know you're not saying it, but the argument sounds a little bit like 'Trump and Hillary both suck, so why bother?"