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Re: Kerry on Isreal

Post by Wellpisser » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:31 pm

Lavite wrote:
korgy wrote: like every other US President? why are you singling out Obama? do you think there might be reasons we dont do that?


Dearest Korgy, this thread is about the Obama administrations statements and actions on the two state issue. I made it clear in the past my disappoint in past president's also not taking firmer action. I don't let anyone off the hook.

And why don't do it is the mistaken belief that we Israel something. We don't. And we give more aid to stamp size Israel than any other country in the world, entire continents even. Runner up isn't even close.


To be fair the USA gets a good return from its investment in Israel. Compare and contrast with the return on its investment in your pathetic excuse for a state.

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Re: Kerry on Isreal

Post by Maxwell » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:33 pm

Lavite wrote:
korgy wrote: like every other US President? why are you singling out Obama? do you think there might be reasons we dont do that?


Dearest Korgy, this thread is about the Obama administrations statements and actions on the two state issue. I made it clear in the past my disappoint in past president's also not taking firmer action. I don't let anyone off the hook.

And why don't do it is the mistaken belief that we Israel something. We don't. And we give more aid to stamp size Israel than any other country in the world, entire continents even. Runner up isn't even close.


Israel should have our support. They're a beacon of progressive culture in a region of backwards religious tribal fanatics. Israel benefits the world every day with its science and technology, not to mention the arts.

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Re: Kerry on Isreal

Post by jedgarandclyde » Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:03 am

There is no need to become obnoxious and insulting Lavite, i was just asking for YOU to explain what a term was that YOU used, that is all.

If that is your style to insult a person just asking a question, then so be it, but it does say something about you doesn't it?
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Re: Kerry on Isreal

Post by polardude1 » Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:36 pm

Interesting, Maxie. If May is so upset with the UN resolution, the UK could have used its own veto power in the UNSC
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polardude1 wrote:Interesting, Maxie. If May is so upset with the UN resolution, the UK could have used its own veto power in the UNSC

May blasted the Pals for their terrorist attacks. Did you read that part?

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Post by polardude1 » Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:00 pm

May cold have ordered her ambassador to veto the resolution. The UK did not abstain, the voted in favor of it. Why?
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Post by Maxwell » Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:38 pm

polardude1 wrote:May cold have ordered her ambassador to veto the resolution. The UK did not abstain, the voted in favor of it. Why?

Politics. Their country is full of Muslim trash and they don't want to get their throats cut or their houses bombed by suicidal jihadis.

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Post by polardude1 » Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:40 pm

Politics. Their country is full of Muslim trash and they don't want to get their throats cut or their houses bombed by suicidal jihadis.


wrong answer. Why would veto draw a Jihadist attack and not her ridicule of Kerry?
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Post by Maxwell » Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:48 pm

polardude1 wrote:
Politics. Their country is full of Muslim trash and they don't want to get their throats cut or their houses bombed by suicidal jihadis.


wrong answer. Why would veto draw a Jihadist attack and not her ridicule of Kerry?

Because the UN is the Muslim propaganda center for the world. The average Muslim isn't going to notice May. You're new at this propaganda game, huh.

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Post by polardude1 » Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:30 pm

Because the UN is the Muslim propaganda center for the world. The average Muslim isn't going to notice May. You're new at this propaganda game, huh.


But the country is "full of Muslims"
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Post by Maxwell » Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:34 pm

polardude1 wrote:
Because the UN is the Muslim propaganda center for the world. The average Muslim isn't going to notice May. You're new at this propaganda game, huh.


But the country is "full of Muslims"

Yes. Is there an adult there to help you?

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Post by polardude1 » Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:45 pm

I am trying to figure out your logic
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Post by Maxwell » Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:50 pm

polardude1 wrote:I am trying to figure out your logic

I understand. Is there an adult there to help you?

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Re: Kerry on Isreal

Post by polardude1 » Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:54 pm

The US abstains, Obama bad
The UK votes in favor, May good
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Re: Kerry on Isreal

Post by shunter » Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:35 pm

May has also criticised Kerry in a pathetic attempt to suck up to Trump. How the UK can vote one way at the UN then criticise the US, who after all only abstained, is beyond me.
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Re: Kerry on Isreal

Post by Logg » Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:47 pm

The UK PM's hypocrisy does seem strange.

The rumor I've heard is that the UK fully expected the US to vote against it. By voting for it, they totally screwed up the normal order of things, in which the European nations get to vote one way to look righteous, knowing full well that the US will play the heavy.

That doesn't really explain everything though.

There are others who say that Powers' preamble at the UN before announcing the abstention sounded a lot more like a speech for a 'no' vote, and that a 'no' vote was the plan until a last minute change. Again, that doesn't offer a full and adequate explanation.

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Re: Kerry on Isreal

Post by korgy » Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:28 pm

Logg wrote:The rumor I've heard is that the UK fully expected the US to vote against it. By voting for it, they totally screwed up the normal order of things,
they didnt vote for it, they abstained. yes, they did not block it -- but words matter here.

the US also abstained on resolutions against Israel in 2002, 2000, 1996, 1988, 1987, 1986, 1985, 1982, 1980, 1979, 1973, and 1969.
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Re: Kerry on Isreal

Post by shunter » Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:33 pm

The uks position smacks of incompetence
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Re: Kerry on Isreal

Post by korgy » Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:41 pm

the sun is setting on two empires at once it seems
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Re: Kerry on Isreal

Post by davebt » Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:43 pm

The UK has long acted with two separate faces. The government which tends to support Israel and the diplomatic section which is distinctly pro-Arab. This split is so widely recognised it was even parodied in Yes prime Minister




The vote was disappointing, one-sided, cruel and unnecessary. The speech better in content but part of the same wishy washy nonsense that is built on the fallacy that a Palestinian partner exists.

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Re: Kerry on Isreal

Post by Maxwell » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:19 pm

polardude1 wrote:The US abstains, Obama bad
The UK votes in favor, May good

Not only that, but Kerry made a cowardly nasty speech. The Obama administration is throwing a temper tantrum. Good riddance.

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Re: Kerry on Isreal

Post by jedgarandclyde » Sat Dec 31, 2016 10:54 am

I do think the general thrust of what Kerry said was correct, but i do also think he should have very clearly outlined the position of his government sooner.

It did seem to be a whinge about prices of the drinks, when when the bar was about to shut.

He may have been correct, but it was far, far too late to say it.
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Re: Kerry on Isreal

Post by dBrother » Mon Jan 02, 2017 5:45 am

As a final solution, to ze palestinian problem, wouldnt it just be cheaper and better for everyone allround for Israel to take over the westbank entirely and remove the squatters currently calling the place home to syria?

Should be plenty of room there now the locals have shot each other out somewhat, they'll be needing to re-populate.

Israel can compensate them with a few shekels each to establish themselves and build a home in syria with, it will still work out cheaper than having to maintain a military machine.

Seems like it would be a win-win-win situation all round.

Israel gets their god given landrights back.
(As in the land god promised to moses way back when, i mean it is their god given birthrite after all)

Palestinian squatters get to build a home in a place where they'll be more welcome and able to culturally fit in better.

Syria gets an economic boost from the rebuilding compensation moneys israel will provide the squatters.
-And gains back the population they have lost to war and europe over the last few years.
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Re: Kerry on Isreal

Post by Kilombo » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:53 pm

so much noise about useless UN resolutions
Prost!

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