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Post by shunter » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:28 pm

1. Corbyn has ruled out a free vote for labour MPs on action against Syria.
2. Labour Party policy is there should be no strikes against Syria without UN approval.
3. UN have given approval
4. Cue .....what exactly? Mass rebellion by shadow cabinet? Resignations and sackings and a vote of no confidence in Corbyn? Or his resignation?

Could be all over by Christmas.
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Post by Ignominy » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:45 pm

I don't pay much attention to leprechaun politics, but Corbyn strikes me as Termite.
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Post by shunter » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:58 pm

Ignominy wrote:I don't pay much attention to leprechaun politics, but Corbyn strikes me as Termite.


You should. There's entertainment in seeing politics fine this badly. I know you have your own loons and j respect that but we can still provide some fine loons of our own.

Yep. An old termite.
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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:43 am

Corbyn is against the UN and democracy?

The man is an idealist.

Respect.

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:45 am

He just went All In in poker.

With a pair of sevens

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Post by Stephen_Dedalus » Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:46 am

I envisage a Portillo like future visiting the great sewage systems of Victorian Britain.

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Post by shunter » Sat Nov 21, 2015 11:46 pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... gests.html

Let's base line this a little: as it stands labour retain the seat but with a horrendously reduced majority. Failure at the ballot box is a key deflator of the myth that Corbyn represents anything but a horrible alternative to the already rejected Miliband.
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Post by equus » Sun Nov 22, 2015 10:15 pm

If I can shoot rabbits, then I can shoot fascists.

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Post by VinnyD » Sun Nov 22, 2015 10:37 pm

What is necessry for him to be removed as leader? A vote by the membership? How do you go about getting a vote by the membership if so?

If there is a vote by the membership, will you join in order to vote, shunter?

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Post by Wellpisser » Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:40 pm



Alternatively there is this, slightly more up to date:


http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 43516.html

Twice as many voters have an unfavourable view of Jeremy Corbyn as have a favourable one, according to a ComRes opinion poll for The Independent on Sunday – an 8-point increase in his unfavourable rating since September, when he was elected Labour leader.

After Mr Corbyn appeared reluctant to say he would order British police to shoot to kill if faced with a terrorist attack similar to that in Paris, the public are twice as likely to say they trust David Cameron to keep them and their family safe (39 per cent) as they are to say they trust Mr Corbyn (17 per cent).

The change in Labour support “if there were a general election tomorrow” may not be significant in itself, down 2 points, but the Conservative lead of 15 points is the highest recorded by any pollster since January 2010.

Conservative 42% (0)

Labour 27% (-2)

UKIP 15% (+2)

Lib Dem 7% (0)

Green 3% (0)

(Change since last month in brackets.)

Labour MPs are said to be thinking of unseating Mr Corbyn after just 10 weeks as leader, but only 20 per cent of Labour voters agree that MPs “should remove” him, while 56 per cent disagree, and 24 per cent don’t know.

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Post by VinnyD » Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:48 pm

Can Labour MPs just vote to unseat him?

Would there then be a new election by the membership? Would he be allowed to stand again in that election?

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Post by VinnyD » Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:53 pm

I see from wikipedia: Labour MPs retain the power to trigger an extraordinary or "special" Labour Party Conference to choose a new leader if they lose confidence in their existing leader.

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Post by Wellpisser » Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:54 pm

VinnyD wrote:What is necessry for him to be removed as leader? A vote by the membership? How do you go about getting a vote by the membership if so?

If there is a vote by the membership, will you join in order to vote, shunter?


No, a vote can only be triggered by the PLP (Parliamentary Labour Party) and Corbyn would need about 20 backers for his name to go on the ballot. Of the 20 or so backers he had last time a number have said that they would not back him again and only backed him to "widen the debate". After next May there'll be a challenge and Corbyn will not make the ballot.

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Post by Wellpisser » Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:56 pm

Corbyn has issued a 3 line whip to abstain on Tuesdays vote against trident sponsored by Fishhead McMoonface.

Of course party policy adopted by conference is to support Trident and its successor so Corbyn is ordering MPs to not support party policy. Welcome to the "new politics".

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Post by Wellpisser » Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:07 am

And Corbyn goes on the attack:

Jeremy Corbyn authorises scathing attack on internal critics for creating 'atmosphere of chaos'


Labour’s leader, Jeremy Corbyn, has authorised a scathing attack on his internal critics accusing them of creating an “atmosphere of chaos” in the party through “constant sniping” and “bitter attacks”.

In the first public response to the criticisms of his leadership, Mr Corbyn’s team has used his official Facebook page to lambast MPs and “New Labour grandees” for attempting to destabilise his leadership.

And in what will be perceived as a threat it accuses them of “doing the membership of the party that voted for Jeremy a massive disservice”, calling on them to “do your job and represent us”

The post, which The Independent understands was authorised by the Labour leader, comes after a week in which he has faced public and private criticism for his stance on Trident, Syria and how the British police should respond to a terrorist attack.

Describing Mr Corbyn’s critics as a “vocal” section of the Parliamentary Labour Party, the unnamed author claims their views are not acceptable as part of the debate about Labour’s future.

“What we have seen from a small section of the Parliamentary [Labour] Party and some New Labour ‘grandees’ recently isn’t opinion and it’s not about debate,” the post says.

“It is a constant sniping, undermining and, at times, bitter attack. It’s designed to create an atmosphere of chaos. We are here to tell you that we’re sick of it. Not only is it now boring, but it is entirely destructive.”

The post also accuses some Labour MPs of being in hock to the right-wing media, which is using them to undermine the party.

In a sign of the anger felt by the leadership at the hostile press Mr Corbyn has received, Labour’s shadow Chancellor suggested at the weekend that, if elected, the party could “break up” media ownership to thwart the dominance of right-wing newspaper proprietors. In remarks to a conference organised by the Trade Union Co-ordinating Group, and passed to The Independent, John McDonnell branded the press’s reaction to Mr Corbyn’s massive victory “a disgrace”.

“This last seven weeks that we’ve been in administration, the media assault on us has been, I think, a disgrace to any civilised society,” he said.

“I’ve never been comfortable with the way media ownership is in this country, but it does mean, to be frank, we have to commit ourselves now to media reform… [to] break up the ownership of our media.”
He suggested Labour’s media image had suffered as a result of its increased willingness to challenge media empires in recent years. Ed Miliband’s defiance in taking on Rupert Murdoch was considered the high point of his leadership of the Labour Party.

“To give Ed Miliband his due, he agreed with that [breaking up media ownership] in the last Labour manifesto, that’s why they came for him so much. Can I say one way you get round it… is to create our own media?”

He revealed that the Labour leadership was opting for live interviews so that the party was not reliant on “pre-records that can get stitched up” to get its message across.

He said “very few people believe” the “written media” in modern Britain.

The senior Labour politician was responding to a question from a junior doctor over how striking workers could combat media hostility.

Senior Labour MPs, including shadow cabinet ministers, have been noticeably reticent about giving their full backing to Mr Corbyn in media interviews.

The shadow Business Secretary Angela Eagle, who is also shadow First Secretary of State deputising in Parliament for Mr Corbyn, was asked if she would approve of Mr Corbyn and Mr McDonnell holding the “highest offices in the land”.

Ms Eagle said that “John McDonnell is our shadow Chancellor” and had been doing “an extremely good job” on economic issues.

She added: “Jeremy Corbyn has been elected as leader of the Labour Party and I, as a member of the Labour Party and member of the Shadow Cabinet ... work with the people that the members elected.”

Asked again if the pair were suited to highest office she said: “I work with people the party gives me to work with.

“We all have our strengths and weaknesses and the point of having a party is that you can bring together the collective wisdom and that’s what I’m in the middle of doing. It’s one of those questions that you want me to answer in a certain way so that you get a headline out of it and I’m not playing that game this morning.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 44421.html

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Post by phlebas » Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:46 am

Corbyn won't be easy to get rid off, and he and his crew won't go quietly, even when the election disasters happen.

He's destroying the Labour party. As a Tory I'll happily canvass and plod the streets to put Labour out of it's misery in 2020.
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Post by greco » Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:35 am

McDonnell thinks they can create their own media. Best of luck with that. They will have a great time talking to themselves.

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Post by phlebas » Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:55 am

Talking to themselves is what Corbyn & McDonnell have been doing for the last 30 years, and they've been mostly ignored.

They're now finding out what people think about their opinions, and don't like it.
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Post by davebt » Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:57 am

hope not....far too much fun.

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Post by Lincoln » Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:52 pm

He is an utter embarrassment,i was full of hope when he was elected,he's acted like an utter twat since.

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Post by Chi_Rup » Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:47 pm

Polling 35 to 37 though, up from 30 according to IPSOS/Mori. In as much as polls mean anything anymore. Taking votes from UKIP in the North, particularly.

What were you expecting, Lincoln?

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Post by phlebas » Mon Nov 23, 2015 2:14 pm

Comres put it at Tories 42%, Labour 27%, UKIP 15%.

Labour are shipping votes to UKIP, according to Labour canvassers on the ground in Oldham. Security is the No 1 priority for voters, and after Corbyn's comments, Labour's credibility on that has gone.
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Post by Chi_Rup » Mon Nov 23, 2015 2:56 pm

Ouch.

What are the better ideas out there in Labour? Does anybody else even want this?

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Post by davebt » Mon Nov 23, 2015 3:00 pm

Chi_Rup wrote:Polling 35 to 37 though, up from 30 according to IPSOS/Mori. In as much as polls mean anything anymore. Taking votes from UKIP in the North, particularly.

What were you expecting, Lincoln?


opinion polls are like labour's wet dream.... some sad fuck spends all night having great sex with the latest super model, only to wake up in the real world and find he is fat, ugly & stupid and whose only meaningful relationship is the one he has with his wrist....

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Post by phlebas » Mon Nov 23, 2015 3:02 pm

What are the better ideas out there in Labour? Does anybody else even want this?


Loads of better ideas, mostly coming from the moderate Social Democrat section of the party. The Corbynistas are busy screaming 'why don't you join the fuckin Tories' at them though.
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Lincoln wrote:He is an utter embarrassment,i was full of hope when he was elected,he's acted like an utter twat since."


The whole of the stinking Labour Party are an utter embarrassment. We really do need a new force in English politics. A pragmatic party not wedded to the politics of the past and not representing the Lincoln chav class.
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Chi_Rup wrote:Ouch.

What are the better ideas out there in Labour? Does anybody else even want this?


Why do you fucking care skirt wearer. Your loyalties lie elsewhere. Fuck off with the rest of the diaspora and take your brand of politics with you cunt.
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phlebas wrote:Corbyn won't be easy to get rid off, and he and his crew won't go quietly, even when the election disasters happen.

He's destroying the Labour party. As a Tory I'll happily canvass and plod the streets to put Labour out of it's misery in 2020.


I don't see what's so hard about getting rid of him if he continues to embarrass himself. Getting a replacement who isn't just as left wing but us acceptable to membership might be a bit more tricky.
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Post by phlebas » Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:17 pm

Labour party rules, the Corbynistas and the wider membership make it hard to get rid of him.

It's quite easy to get rid of a shit Tory leader in comparison.
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Also, like all good Socialists, once they have taken power by democratic means, Corbyn and his crew are busy making it harder to get rid of them by shutting down dissent and modifying the democratic means.
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phlebas wrote:Labour party rules, the Corbynistas and the wider membership make it hard to get rid of him.

It's quite easy to get rid of a shit Tory leader in comparison.


Can't the PLP get rid of him and keep him off the ballot? Isn't that the mechanism?
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Post by CatScanMan » Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:48 pm

Yeah, I can't wait for the day when Blair 2 takes over and challenges the Tories by being basically the same except a little nicer. What an amazing day for British politics that will be.

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Post by phlebas » Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:10 pm

It works.

Labour poll ratings are nosediving because far left bollocks ideology is a niche interest.
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Post by Wellpisser » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:05 pm

Guido has this from yesterday in the House

http://order-order.com/2015/11/23/corby ... n-defence/

Skinner's body language. 'Nuff said.

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Post by phlebas » Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:28 pm

YouGov published a poll tonight of Labour members etc. 86% of people who voted for Corbyn think he's doing well, 66% of Labour members as a whole think so.

He's going nowhere. :D
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Post by shunter » Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:34 pm

Yep. There's a good photo of the latter parts of Cameron's speach to the commons and there is literally no one sitting near Corbyn.

Looks like cameron is actually delaying the trident vote to help Corbyn because he's so fucking awful that the Tories dont want him to fall too soon. Or is that too cynical?
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Ignominy wrote:I don't pay much attention to leprechaun politics, but Corbyn strikes me as Termite.


Termite wrote:Jeremy has got right under your skin hasnt he Felix the fact that you claim not to be interested in Jermy shows just he how has got you running scared lol Corbyn is coming angry Felix and no matter what you say or do
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CatScanMan wrote:Yeah, I can't wait for the day when Blair 2 takes over and challenges the Tories by being basically the same except a little nicer. What an amazing day for British politics that will be.


Would you vote for Corbyn? What is the benefit of this man beyond some comedic moments?
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Collateral Knowledge wrote:
Ignominy wrote:I don't pay much attention to leprechaun politics, but Corbyn strikes me as Termite.


Termite wrote:Jeremy has got right under your skin hasnt he Felix the fact that you claim not to be interested in Jermy shows just he how has got you running scared lol Corbyn is coming angry Felix and no matter what you say or do


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What wrong with Alistair Darling?
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Post by Wellpisser » Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:18 am

So 20 MPs defied a 3 line whip to vote for and 14 defied the whip to vote against (no action will be taken against the latter, naturally)

now Corbyn wants to ballot the 3 quid dogonarope members about Unilateral nuclear disarmament, circumventing conference. It wouldn't be binding but would bring enormous pressure to bear apparently.

In reality Margaret Thatcher was at the height of her grassroots popularity when she was toppled because the grass roots don't matter, they don't give you power, the electorate as a whole does that, something that seems to escape the Corbynites.

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Post by Wellpisser » Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:31 am

I've read elsewhere that Len McCluskey has been called a Red Tory for his mild criticism of Corbyn. Is this true? If so surely this must be peak Corbyn. McCluskey FFS!

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Post by shunter » Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:40 am

Is he still proposing to whip the Syria vote? Surely that would be utter madness, but then he's an ideologue and not very bright so I guess it's possible.
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Post by Wellpisser » Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:31 am

The vote has been (see above) there was a 3 line whip and 34 MPs defied the whip. Unimaginable that the leader of the Labour Party can have a whipped vote not to support party policy as voted by Conference. Madness.

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Post by shunter » Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:44 am

The vote to bomb Syria which is coming up. what bote are you referring to?
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Post by Wellpisser » Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:45 am

Trident.

Cameron can win on Syria simply by attaching it to a confidence vote.

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Post by shunter » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:45 pm

There were 20 Rebels on Syria: 14 for and 6 against. That's 14 voting for labours own policy.

I can't believe Cameron can't win on Syria on any basis he puts up for the vote. Surely he can smooth over the doubters in his oarty and there's sure to be a significant rebellion by labour MPs. Corbyn must realise this and make it a free vote or surely there will be resignations/sackings.

I can't believe Cameron can't win over the Hilary Bemba of this world
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Post by phlebas » Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:53 pm

McDonnell actually quoted Chairman Mao and then threw a copy of the Little Red Book at Osbourne.

I had to watch a clip 3 times to make sure that actually happened. Still don't really believe it.
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