Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Main Course
User avatar
Godjira
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 72431
Joined: Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:52 pm

Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by Godjira » Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:05 pm

Hong Kong airport cancels all flights as protesters flood terminal


Sue-Lin Wong and Hudson Lockett in Hong Kong

7 HOURS AGO 339
Hong Kong airport cancelled all flights on Monday afternoon after thousands of anti-government protesters flooded into the main terminal.

The disruption at the international aviation hub is the most severe blow to the territory’s economy since demonstrations began more than two months ago.

The so-far peaceful occupation of the airport, which follows three days of smaller sit-ins in the arrivals area and protests over the weekend in other parts of the city, came as authorities in Beijing said the demonstrators had begun displaying “early signs of terrorism”.


The protesters on Monday said they were angry at police violence after officers fired tear gas into two subway stations and shot non-lethal rounds directly at civilians from short range in clashes on Sunday night.

“We want the government and police to apologise for what they did last night,” said Mary, 17, a high-school student wearing a yellow hard hat and black face mask. “Only when we truly impact the Hong Kong economy will the government actually listen to us.”

The police deny using excessive force and have accused protesters of using lethal weapons to attack them.

The anti-government protests, sparked by a proposed bill that would allow the extradition of suspects to mainland China for the first time, have plunged Hong Kong into its worst political crisis since the UK handed the former colony over to China in 1997.

The government has suspended the bill but stonewalled the protesters’ other demands, which include the full withdrawal of the proposed legislation, an inquiry into police violence and, increasingly, democratic reforms.

Hong Kong international airport, the world’s third-busiest measured by passenger traffic, said in a statement on Monday afternoon that check-in services had been suspended and all flights had been cancelled for the rest of the day.

The airport said it was working with airlines to reschedule flights starting from 6am on Tuesday “subject to resumption of airport operations”.


In Beijing, a spokesman for China’s Hong Kong and Macau Affairs Office reiterated the central government’s support for the territory’s police in cracking down on the protests.

“Hong Kong has already reached an important crossroads and all those who care about its future should step up and say no to all violent elements,” said Yang Guang, spokesman for the office.

In Hong Kong, the territory’s most senior bureaucrat Matthew Cheung Kin-chung, the chief secretary, accused protesters of “destroying Hong Kong”.

Early on Monday evening, a stream of what appeared to be protesters left the airport on foot amid fears the police were about to clear the building by force. But many chose to remain to show their rage at what they alleged was police violence during Sunday’s protests.

Some activists covered their right eyes with bandages in a tribute to a woman who was shot in the eye during the Sunday demonstrations. The protesters plastered posters across the terminal comparing the current clashes to the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre and Nazi Germany.

Some protesters have started wearing eyepatches in solidarity with a fellow demonstrator who was shot in the eye on Sunday Image Reuters
Chants of “Stand with Hong Kong, fight for freedom” erupted as passengers entering the arrivals hall looked on at the thousands of protesters with a mixture of bewilderment, fear and amusement.

“I’m from South Africa so this is peaceful,” said Peter Janse van Rensburg, who works in import and export and was waiting to fly to Johannesburg.

When asked what he thought of the disruptions to his flight, he said it was “Fine, they have their problems which they need to sort out”.

In a sign of financial support for their cause, Hong Kong protesters raised $1m in just an hour on Monday through an online crowdfunding campaign against Sunday night’s alleged police brutality.

Shares in Hong Kong’s main airline, Cathay Pacific, closed nearly 5 per cent lower on Monday. They are down almost 11 per cent since the start of the year.

https://www.ft.com/content/b5e69a9a-bcd ... 00d509634e
That's the kind of bold flavor they enjoy in Albuquerque!

steveogolf
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 3956
Joined: Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:37 pm

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by steveogolf » Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:12 pm

China isn't backing down on its position on the disputed issue, so it doesn't look good for U.S.-China Trade Talks either. Simply put, China would "lose face" by giving in on both disputes, so they won't do it
Steveo is my name, and golf is my game.

User avatar
Godjira
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 72431
Joined: Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:52 pm

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by Godjira » Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:53 pm

Where is American leadership on this? On the protests in Russia?
That's the kind of bold flavor they enjoy in Albuquerque!

User avatar
strife
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 22583
Joined: Mon Apr 06, 2015 1:51 am

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by strife » Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:55 pm

Probably out golfing.
I am Stalking you.

Total Reject
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 3297
Joined: Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:17 pm

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by Total Reject » Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:57 pm

I think it's great, actually. Hong Kong should be challenging China. Good for them.

Mike Hunt
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 4474
Joined: Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:59 pm

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by Mike Hunt » Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:04 pm

I haven't been paying a great deal of attention, but from 30,000 feet it looks like China wanted to gradually wear away the rights of Hong Kong citizens over a couple of decades without drawing much attention. While the West was largely fooled that China was a benevolent power rising out of poverty, at least for a while, Hong Kongers can see if for what it is. They called them on it.

Now, I would think China would want to do as much as they can away from cameras. Like making Cathay Pacific fire protesters. I'm sure there will be a general blackball of protesters like there was in Korea in the democracy and Hanchonyong movements.

But it doesn't look like this occupation is going to end that way. Sometimes power needs to flash its teeth.
Please revert to us in case of any query related to the RFP

User avatar
shunter
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 20534
Joined: Wed Mar 02, 2005 1:56 pm

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by shunter » Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:24 pm

Chinese army getting ready across the “border”

You can’t make an omelette without breaking some eggs as RichD might say.
We’re fucked.

User avatar
cuchulainn
Instigator
Posts: 33970
Joined: Sat Feb 26, 2005 5:57 pm

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by cuchulainn » Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:37 pm

I'm surprised the tanks haven't moved in yet.

desertstorm
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 9055
Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:56 pm

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by desertstorm » Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:41 pm

The protests seem to be getting more and more violent and destructive, which I have problems to endorse.

On the other hand, I think the HK police has been handling this really badly. They are probably not trained to handle riots. They seem to use all the wrong tactics (increasing brute force) and also seem to have the wrong mentality = the protesters/rioters are enemies and criminals aiming to take this out personally on the police (us), so they react to the protesters heavy handily, which in turn confirms the impression from the protesters that the police is too heavy handed with brute force, which in turn makes them to use more violence to fight the police.

Both sides get emotional and personal in a very emotional and political situation. It becomes self fulfilling prophecy on how the police and the protesters perceive and treat each other, and the riots escalate more and more.

Like many others, I fear this will not end well for Hong Kong.

User avatar
cowtown
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 28180
Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:53 pm

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by cowtown » Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:48 pm

Godjira wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:53 pm
Where is American leadership on this? On the protests in Russia?
if we pretend its a democracy it is a democracy
Image

Mike Hunt
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 4474
Joined: Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:59 pm

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by Mike Hunt » Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:53 pm


Please revert to us in case of any query related to the RFP

User avatar
rider5
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 19997
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2005 4:45 pm

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by rider5 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:03 pm

Captain Bee Fart is better.

User avatar
shunter
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 20534
Joined: Wed Mar 02, 2005 1:56 pm

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by shunter » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:15 pm

Godjira wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:53 pm
Where is American leadership on this? On the protests in Russia?
It’s not about America. America is not the leader of the free world and there aren’t “American values”. No one believes in all that shit.
We’re fucked.

User avatar
Flora
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 10317
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:18 pm

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by Flora » Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:25 pm


User avatar
Flora
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 10317
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:18 pm

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by Flora » Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:26 pm


User avatar
Godjira
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 72431
Joined: Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:52 pm

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by Godjira » Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:46 pm

shunter wrote:
Godjira wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:53 pm
Where is American leadership on this? On the protests in Russia?
It’s not about America. America is not the leader of the free world and there aren’t “American values”. No one believes in all that shit.
Whether you believe in it or not, it’s always been a pretense and a topic of discussion among US leadership. With some effect too.
That's the kind of bold flavor they enjoy in Albuquerque!

User avatar
StanDeManII
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 2921
Joined: Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:07 am

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by StanDeManII » Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:16 am

Let them lay siege on themselves. After they destroy the airport then don't provide funds to repair it.
You broke it; you fix it.
Apparently fully loaded :D

jedgarandclyde
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 9256
Joined: Sat May 03, 2014 3:30 am

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by jedgarandclyde » Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:38 am

I think there used to be 'American Values', driven by democratic ideals, but i do fear they may have been damaged beyond repair by this modern version of America.

I still think that hard right, or hard left regimes are no friends of democracy.
'There are plenty of people out there'..................Donald Trump

Free American Joe!!!

temporaryhandle2
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 22961
Joined: Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:20 am

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by temporaryhandle2 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:29 am

The protesters want what they've never had. Independence and a democratic government.

It's going to end with the PLA settling the issue, and the USA tut tutting over the body count and making grand statements in the Security Council, while the CCP tells the Chinese they have made China great again.

And on it will go.

User avatar
OnTheBall
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 8972
Joined: Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:01 am

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by OnTheBall » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:05 am

No.

The CCP will go in there and quell the protests by any means necessary, they will blame nefarious foreign influences for the riots and as the reason as to why they did what they did. RichD will agree with the CCP version and claim this is a great example of how well the Chinese way of governance is evolving and how happy ALL Chinese are under this system (with the exclusion of HK people, of course, who are just so ignorant of how great the CCP is).
Mike Hunt: "...Her place was like $80k. Given it's not in the best neighborhood and she's the only white person on the block, but it is near the train station."

RedsailsII
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 1095
Joined: Tue Aug 09, 2016 6:01 pm

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by RedsailsII » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:06 am

You can't blame the kids for getting upset. A 20-year-old Hong Konger knows he faces 40 years of slow strangulation and death by freedom cuts.

The commie leaders in Beijing just banned hip-hop culture and actors with tattoos from appearing on TV. The 'Princelings' don't just steal gov. funds and move them abroad, they apply the puritan screws at home.

Lost Soul
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 61918
Joined: Sun Jan 09, 2005 2:02 am

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by Lost Soul » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:13 am

The time to correct the Ching Chongs was in 1989, after Tiananmen Square.

Instead, Bush, Bubba, Bush and 'Bama did jack shit.

Worse, Bubba let them into the WTO, in spite of their $Trillion theft of patents, copyrights and intellectual property.

Worst, Maobama sat there and watched them claim and militarize the South China Sea, and the East China Sea, and did jack shit about it.

Yes, it's all Trump's fault. Idiots.
IMPRISON BUSH!

INDICT HILLARY!

"Lost Soul is largely correct"- VinnyD

temporaryhandle2
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 22961
Joined: Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:20 am

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by temporaryhandle2 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:00 am

It has nothing to do with internal American politics. Why do you people make evrything in the world about yourselves? You are ridiculous.

User avatar
shunter
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 20534
Joined: Wed Mar 02, 2005 1:56 pm

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by shunter » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:03 am

Lost Soul wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:13 am
The time to correct the Ching Chongs was in 1989, after Tiananmen Square.

Instead, Bush, Bubba, Bush and 'Bama did jack shit.

Worse, Bubba let them into the WTO, in spite of their $Trillion theft of patents, copyrights and intellectual property.

Worst, Maobama sat there and watched them claim and militarize the South China Sea, and the East China Sea, and did jack shit about it.

Yes, it's all Trump's fault. Idiots.
This in not about America or your man Trump
We’re fucked.

jedgarandclyde
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 9256
Joined: Sat May 03, 2014 3:30 am

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by jedgarandclyde » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:33 am

It was said on the ABC's 'Media Watch' on monday evening, that the police in Hong Kong, are now targeting the media, it does seem that they don't want anybody to see what is going on there.

With army tanks headed for Hong Kong, it seems Beijing wants an un-seen Tiananmen Square style massacre!!
'There are plenty of people out there'..................Donald Trump

Free American Joe!!!

thegreenlantern
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 2209
Joined: Fri Dec 26, 2008 4:37 pm

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by thegreenlantern » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:44 am

I doubt this is going to end well, but man do I have my fingers crossed. Their courage and ingenuity is inspirational.

temporaryhandle2
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 22961
Joined: Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:20 am

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by temporaryhandle2 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:45 am

Really? I think they're deluded. They have absolutely no chance of winning and no reason to expect that they could. This is no Tiananmen Square, even though the end result will be the same.

Lost Soul
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 61918
Joined: Sun Jan 09, 2005 2:02 am

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by Lost Soul » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:21 am

shunter wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:03 am
Lost Soul wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:13 am
The time to correct the Ching Chongs was in 1989, after Tiananmen Square.

Instead, Bush, Bubba, Bush and 'Bama did jack shit.

Worse, Bubba let them into the WTO, in spite of their $Trillion theft of patents, copyrights and intellectual property.

Worst, Maobama sat there and watched them claim and militarize the South China Sea, and the East China Sea, and did jack shit about it.

Yes, it's all Trump's fault. Idiots.
This in not about America or your man Trump
I didn't know you were capable of Own Thought.

I guess this exception is due to the US having jack shit to do with the creation or destruction of this British experiment in capitalism.

By all means, ensure you make all British colonies Socialist shitholes, and then the Ching-Chongs won't want them. That's the way forward.
IMPRISON BUSH!

INDICT HILLARY!

"Lost Soul is largely correct"- VinnyD

temporaryhandle2
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 22961
Joined: Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:20 am

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by temporaryhandle2 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:25 am

Are you on the sauce, Honey?

User avatar
andybox
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 32707
Joined: Mon Jan 05, 2009 2:09 am

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by andybox » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:32 am

Fuck, I have a mini Hong Kong piss-up on the 24th of September, I hope they sort this shit out soon.
You're way past your station...

User avatar
mad hatter
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 28130
Joined: Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:08 pm

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by mad hatter » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:49 am

they will, re-education camps on the Russian border.
Nines to Felix: "I know a lot of really successful lawyers. My oldest son is a full partner in a prestigious law firm. I know the gig. None of them have the time nor inclination to post the never-ending drivel like you've done for decades here"

Lost Soul
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 61918
Joined: Sun Jan 09, 2005 2:02 am

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by Lost Soul » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:54 am

temporaryhandle2 wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:25 am
Are you on the sauce, Honey?
Unlike shunter, I'm a happy drunk. So no.
IMPRISON BUSH!

INDICT HILLARY!

"Lost Soul is largely correct"- VinnyD

CatScanMan
Goat Roper
Posts: 16240
Joined: Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:46 pm

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by CatScanMan » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:01 am

I'm more positive on the outcome. I don't think it will be another Tienanmen. China 1989 is not the same as China 2019. China is much more part of the world now and Hong Kong is still its main international city. Any slaughter would be livestreamed globally and basically destroy Hong Kong's status and heavily damage China's image.

For now I'm betting on the usual media hype.

User avatar
DCComic
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 20498
Joined: Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:42 pm

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by DCComic » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:58 am

The protestors cannot be seen to win, so unless this fizzles out the leaders will be picked off one by one.

China’s image internally is far more important than what outsiders think.
Image

פולאר הוא שקרן - I want my fucking money back - The only reason you continue to participate is because you hate me personally - It would be delightful to cl yo a cunt to your face.

User avatar
strife
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 22583
Joined: Mon Apr 06, 2015 1:51 am

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by strife » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:27 am

temporaryhandle2 wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:29 am
It's going to end with the PLA settling the issue, and the USA tut tutting over the body count and making grand statements in the Security Council, while the CCP tells the Chinese they have made China great again.

And on it will go.
Followed immediately by:
temporaryhandle2 wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:00 am
It has nothing to do with internal American politics. Why do you people make evrything in the world about yourselves? You are ridiculous.
It isn't about Amerika. Hong Kong Is Australia's backyard. You should do something.
I am Stalking you.

User avatar
Godjira
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 72431
Joined: Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:52 pm

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by Godjira » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:16 am

I suspect the CCP will give Hong Kong greater independence and freedom, but they will tell their own people that the Hong Kongers are spoiled idiots.
That's the kind of bold flavor they enjoy in Albuquerque!

User avatar
strife
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 22583
Joined: Mon Apr 06, 2015 1:51 am

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by strife » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:57 am

I suspect just the opposite. Beijing will use this as a pretext to swallow what remains of Hong Kong's special status.
I am Stalking you.

temporaryhandle2
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 22961
Joined: Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:20 am

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by temporaryhandle2 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:10 pm

Of course it will.

temporaryhandle2
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 22961
Joined: Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:20 am

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by temporaryhandle2 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:12 pm

strife wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:27 am
temporaryhandle2 wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:29 am
It's going to end with the PLA settling the issue, and the USA tut tutting over the body count and making grand statements in the Security Council, while the CCP tells the Chinese they have made China great again.

And on it will go.
Followed immediately by:
temporaryhandle2 wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:00 am
It has nothing to do with internal American politics. Why do you people make evrything in the world about yourselves? You are ridiculous.
It isn't about Amerika. Hong Kong Is Australia's backyard. You should do something.
Oh really? How would you feel if we interfered in your domestic politics? You go completely bonkers if we even talk about it.

Iolar
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 19256
Joined: Sun May 15, 2005 9:48 pm

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by Iolar » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:31 pm

You're similarly insecure. One can't express an opinion on either Australia or the US here without there being a meltdown.
I like big quotes and I cannot lie

temporaryhandle2
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 22961
Joined: Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:20 am

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by temporaryhandle2 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:39 pm

You are similarly insecure. You can't come on here without seeking constant validation by showing off to a bunch of strangers on the internet.

Iolar
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 19256
Joined: Sun May 15, 2005 9:48 pm

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by Iolar » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:42 pm

Nonsense. I don't show off. I rarely post about my life. There are posters who post about their lives far more often than I do. You seethe with resentment.
I like big quotes and I cannot lie

RichD
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 3193
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2005 2:04 am

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by RichD » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:44 pm

Two mainland men were tied up by the protestors at the airport yesterday, they were beaten, one until unconscious. The protestors believed them to be undercover from the mainland. One was a journalist from a propaganda newspaper from China, the other is claimed to be someone from Shenzhen seeing off friends but he may well have been undercover. It was a mob baying for blood.

I think how this is used in Chinese media in the coming days will indicate what Beijing plans to do. If Beijing wants to send in the army, expect these images to be used to show how the protestors are against mainlanders. This is already doing the rounds on social media. The images are awful. The protestors know they fucked up. They issued an apology today saying some went too far. They have called a halt to the airport protests for now.

This is the crucial time, what happens now will decide where this will end. It isn't too late for a compromise to be worked out...

But, the problem is who speaks for the students It is supposed to be a leaderless revolution. The lesson they learnt from Occupy was that leaders will be targeted. They also learned that they need to remain unified. Up to now, they followed the policy of no one should criticise what anyone else does. But, this inevitably leads to the radicals taking over. Today was the first time any of the protestors criticised anything done during the protests. This may split them - I read it was an online Telegram group vote, I think over 70% in favour. Will the other 30%, the more radical element, continue to protests, alienating the majority and the public?

The other thing I don't see much discussion about in the media are that the numbers protesting have drastically fallen off. This is why they have adopted guerrilla tactics, they don't have the numbers any more.

I don't think the Chinese will send in the troops. The situation is largely under control again. The airport strategy was disruptive but nothing before that has really been disruptive - the one day strike was inconvenient but most of HK just carried out on as normal. It is having an impact on tourism, this is hurting people employed in this sector - not usually the wealthiest, and probably not the demographic that supports the protests too...

Beijing wants Hong Kong to continue under the 1 country 2 systems policy. This system aligns well with their historic worldview: "This thinking connects Beijing’s rule to the concept of tianxia, or ‘all under heaven’, an idea drawn from classical Confucianism, in which the periphery subordinates itself to the authority of the sovereign centre, while the centre assumes responsibility for the periphery’s security and development." Source: LRB
“What I need is someone who will make me do what I can”
― Ralph Waldo Emerson

RichD
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 3193
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2005 2:04 am

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by RichD » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:51 pm

If anyone was watching the scenes from the airport last night when the police went in, what is missing from a lot of the reports (not all though) is this was a surgical strike to extract the two mainland men where were being beaten by the crowd. They managed to get one out by distracting the crowd but did not get the second guy out. The paramedics managed to fight their way through the crowd, they were literally chased out of the airport by protestors. The behaviour of some of the protestors yesterday was dreadful, it may well be what will kill this movement for now.
“What I need is someone who will make me do what I can”
― Ralph Waldo Emerson

temporaryhandle2
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 22961
Joined: Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:20 am

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by temporaryhandle2 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:54 pm

The beating up of the mainland men was shown in Australia, Rich D. It was reported that one of them was a journalist from a mainland hewspaper.

RichD
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 3193
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2005 2:04 am

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by RichD » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:58 pm

Yes, that was I said - he is from the Global Times. Its a pro-government propaganda tabloid.
“What I need is someone who will make me do what I can”
― Ralph Waldo Emerson

Mike Hunt
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 4474
Joined: Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:59 pm

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by Mike Hunt » Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:00 pm

strife wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:57 am
I suspect just the opposite. Beijing will use this as a pretext to swallow what remains of Hong Kong's special status.
Again, I think the aim was to swallow that status gradually over three decades. The people of Hong Kong called them on it.
Please revert to us in case of any query related to the RFP

temporaryhandle2
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 22961
Joined: Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:20 am

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by temporaryhandle2 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:04 pm

RichD wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:58 pm
Yes, that was I said - he is from the Global Times. Its a pro-government propaganda tabloid.
My apologies.

RichD
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 3193
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2005 2:04 am

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by RichD » Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:12 pm

Mike Hunt wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:00 pm
Again, I think the aim was to swallow that status gradually over three decades. The people of Hong Kong called them on it.
I think you are only partially right but wrong in a significant way.

China opened its economy up by experimenting with economic changes in a few designated economic zones such as Shenzhen. Any political reform that will come in China will come about in the same way. Hong Kong can be its lab for this. HK was also to be the showcase that brings Taiwan back into the fold. The economy in China continuing to grow, relative freedom in HK under a 1 country 2 systems model.

But full universal suffrage was never going to be part of the agreement. What has been on offer is controlled universal suffrage - a free vote but only approved candidates to run. This was not offered as a prelude to taking it away later. It was going to be a model for how reform could be managed in the mainland.

So, you are right that they were never going to give the full universal suffrage promised under Basic Law (with a vague caveat that gives them a get out clause, "based on local conditions", of course, that was put there as they never intended giving full free universal suffrage).
“What I need is someone who will make me do what I can”
― Ralph Waldo Emerson

User avatar
Godjira
Stew Ingredient
Posts: 72431
Joined: Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:52 pm

Re: Protestors shut down Hong Kong airport

Post by Godjira » Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:53 pm

I think China still needs Hong Kong’s money and status as an intermediary between Taiwanese money and the Mainland.

It benefits China to have that freer and more transparent economic space.
That's the kind of bold flavor they enjoy in Albuquerque!

Post Reply