Should Hillary be Secretary of State?

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Postby sodelicious » Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:36 am

Judik, what position is SCOTUS?
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Postby justinian » Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:58 pm

S, I think that that is Supreme Court?

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Postby Gales » Sat Nov 15, 2008 4:20 pm

Not crazy about this idea. Obama is already tapping a lot of Clinton era names. This one feels too retro. Let's turn the page please.

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Postby judik » Sat Nov 15, 2008 4:58 pm

Gales wrote:Not crazy about this idea. Obama is already tapping a lot of Clinton era names. This one feels too retro. Let's turn the page please.

you want people on your transition team who know about DC and how the WH works
Unfortunately that means that since Clinton was the only dem president within the past 25 years the Obama transition team has to use them


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Postby Gales » Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:33 pm

I didn't say it was a bad thing in general. But to go this visibly Clintonian could really kill some of the energy generated by an apparent break with dynasty. Looks too much like "change you can fake".

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Postby korgy » Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:00 pm

Gales wrote:Not crazy about this idea. Obama is already tapping a lot of Clinton era names. This one feels too retro. Let's turn the page please.


i sort of agree with not dipping too deeply into the Clintonian WH, but i'm not sure Hillary is Clintonian-retro anymore, due to recent history.

i hated the way she ran her campaign, but when detached from that Presidential run, i can see her as an effective leader and bureaucrat.

she started to lose me when she voted for the Iraq War Resolution, but i knew at the time she was doing it purely for political purposes...both she and McCain made over-calculated decisions anticipating their Presidential runs, years before, that ended up backfiring. it's always better to be true to your heart rather than try to calculate for the future.

now that the Presidential race is over, maybe she can act out of a sense of inner purpose again rather than out of political calculation.
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Postby judik » Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:15 pm

Gales wrote:I didn't say it was a bad thing in general. But to go this visibly Clintonian could really kill some of the energy generated by an apparent break with dynasty. Looks too much like "change you can fake".

Don't disagree.Not defending the position just explaining it
she started to lose me when she voted for the Iraq War Resolution, but i knew at the time she was doing it purely for political purposes...both she and McCain made over-calculated decisions anticipating their Presidential runs, years before, that ended up backfiring. it's always better to be true to your heart rather than try to calculate for the future.

I think I'm cynical enough to think ,with few exceptions, that most decisions made by politicians are made for political reasons
It was easy for Obama to speak against the war.Would he have if he were already a Senator?
The case can be made that even his anti war position was based partly on cold calculation.I think he is extremely ambitious
Hard to tell though without having a time machine
Obama's vote on FISA was a political vote that I do believe
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Postby korgy » Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:52 pm

.I think he is extremely ambitious


obviously anyone who runs for President is extremely ambitious., but all his advisors have suggested that they feared he didn't have the burning drive to be President that was necessary. it wasn't a done deal that he would run.

i think there are people whose ambition is without purpose and people whose ambition really has some genuine desire to do well behind it. and all shades in between.

and i think the latter can easily get spoiled with too long a career in politics, which is one of the things i thought was important in Obama -- what was an unreadiness to some to me was a freshness that is extremely necessary right now. he has believed in the possibility of things that everyone has said are not possible.

It was easy for Obama to speak against the war.Would he have if he were already a Senator?


thats a good question, but we'll never know the answer. did you see the post i made about his team trying to restrict connections to lobbyists? it's not easy, but they are trying.
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Postby Mindulge » Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:30 pm

She seems to be at the top of the list.

I still think John Kerry is going to get it.

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Postby korgy » Sun Nov 16, 2008 6:59 pm

Mindulge wrote:She seems to be at the top of the list.

I still think John Kerry is going to get it.


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Postby methuselah » Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:03 pm

korgy wrote:
Mindulge wrote:She seems to be at the top of the list.

I still think John Kerry is going to get it.


you've got to be kidding.


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Postby korgy » Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:23 pm

what do i think? i think if Hillary's eligibility poses problems he should choose Bill Richardson or Chuck Hagel.
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Postby Doc » Sun Nov 16, 2008 8:20 pm

I hope Hilary stays out of the administration. I have Clinton fatigue. So do millions of others.
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Postby korgy » Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:49 pm

Doc wrote:I hope Hilary stays out of the administration. I have Clinton fatigue. So do millions of others.


yes, millions of others do, but millions of others don't, also -- which is the problem. millions of others WANT to see her in an Administration, as well.
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Postby methuselah » Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:05 am

It looks like we're seeing all of Bills former empolyees. You call this "change"?
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Postby korgy » Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:53 am

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Postby korgy » Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:59 am

Doc wrote:I hope Hilary stays out of the administration. I have Clinton fatigue. So do millions of others.


actually, i don't think what i wrote before was quite right on this.

the Clinton fatigue that people now have is with Bill Clinton. Hillary-fatigue seems to have dissipated since she finally gave in and Obama's strengths and popularity elevated him to winning the Presidency.

in a perfect world, Hillary would be Sect of State, and complete the circle now.
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Postby kirrabi » Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:57 pm

in a perfect world, Hillary would be Sect of State, and complete the circle now.


The circle which touches all five points of a pentagram? Her as Secty of State is one step closer to a Supreme Court seat. What else would she give up her Senate seat for? This is terrible to think of. If she is a loyal Secty of State and doesn't try to upstage the Prez what will her reward be after 4 to 6 years in the State Dept.? Ugh, what a nightmare. Won't they ever go away?

The only bright spot in this scenario is Bill. The guy doesn't care what anyone thinks. If you let him in through the door it's your own fault., He's not going to curb his indulgences for anyone. Can you imagine Hillary filling out the vetting questionnaire and better yet someone having to read it and make comments on the boarder of the pages? Who would have the guts to submit it to the Chief of Staff?
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Postby blueeyes_austin » Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:59 pm

korgy wrote:
Gales wrote:Not crazy about this idea. Obama is already tapping a lot of Clinton era names. This one feels too retro. Let's turn the page please.


i sort of agree with not dipping too deeply into the Clintonian WH, but i'm not sure Hillary is Clintonian-retro anymore, due to recent history.

i hated the way she ran her campaign, but when detached from that Presidential run, i can see her as an effective leader and bureaucrat.


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Postby q5q » Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:18 pm

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Postby korgy » Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:15 pm

she hasn't formally been offered the job, apparently

interesting couple of paragraphs in the Wash Post this afternoon:


But there continued to be some dispute about whether the job had been formally offered to Hillary Clinton. Although Obama did not formally offer her the position, aides to the president-elect said Wednesday, they said that it would be difficult for Clinton to now walk away from the secretary of state post. The aides said Obama's staff has gone down the path of thoroughly vetting her and her husband with the understanding that, if he should make an official job offer, she would accept it. Another candidate for the post, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, emerged from his meeting with Obama last Friday under the impression that the job had not been filled, people familiar with that meeting said.

Clinton is mulling whether to take the post with her husband and close advisers, the source said, noting that becoming the nation's top diplomat would be a major and career-changing decision for the former first lady. Of particular concern is how much influence Clinton would have in Obama's White House, where she would compete for attention with other top foreign policy and national security advisers, said a source, who spoke on condition of anonymity in order to speak candidly about the negotiations.


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Postby korgy » Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:58 pm

things change quickly overnight.

it's being reported that Hillary is a done deal now -- even though the Obama team was feeling pretty disgusted and bound up by all the leaks in the process -- like they didn't have a choice.
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Postby q5q » Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:02 pm

yeah, the nytimes is reporting she's accepted. i just opped on it.
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Postby korgy » Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:35 pm

and now, NPR just said both camps say it's not a done deal quite yet.

it is a done deal. it's not a done deal. it is a done deal. it's not a done deal.

i think it is a done deal though.
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Postby q5q » Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:20 pm

i do too...unless someone has plans to get bill liquored up in a back room behind a tittie bar or something...
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Postby korgy » Fri Nov 28, 2008 6:41 pm

truthfully, i'm having trouble not fantasizing about an 8 year Obama Presidency, followed by a Hillary! win as the first female President. she'll be 69 in 2016, and will be totally primed after her job as Secretary of State. by that time, hopefully people will again be ready for a seasoned politician, and the old Clinton WH years will be 2 decades behind at that point (and the troubled 2008 Presidential run will have been long forgotten also).

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Postby joeyramone » Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:03 pm

well, it's official now. You can only wonder if these deal was cut in the early summer so that she wouldn't raise a fuss at the convention.
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Postby korgy » Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:28 pm

joeyramone wrote:well, it's official now. You can only wonder if these deal was cut in the early summer so that she wouldn't raise a fuss at the convention.


i don't see anything at all that would indicate that. Obama answered the question in his press conference about whether there was a "story", and he basically said there wasn't. he simply said after he won the primary he knew he wanted to find some way to utilize Hillary in his Administration if he won the Presidency.

i seriously doubt the ball was in her court on that.
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Postby joeyramone » Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:40 pm

as if he'd say "yeah, we cut a deal with her back then to get her from making a mess of the convention".

And now she gets a job that she's never actually really wanted, or had committee assignments for.


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Postby korgy » Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:25 pm

well, there doesn't have to have been a "deal" to know that it would serve Obama well to give Hillary as much prestige as possible -- either that or simply not use her.

marginalizing her in a low-power post just wouldn't sit well, and she probably wouldn't have accepted.

just because there may not have been a deal in the literal sense doesn't mean everyone involved didn't know what the elements in the game were.
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Postby Agent009 » Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:34 am

I would rather have the senate seat for life, then choose whats behind door #3.
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Postby korgy » Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:39 am

i think Secty of State may present better odds as a path to the WH...
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Postby Agent009 » Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:42 am

^ Her path to the white house ended at the bottom of some dank, dark, stairs a few months ago....
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Postby korgy » Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:08 am

Agent009 wrote:^ Her path to the white house ended at the bottom of some dank, dark, stairs a few months ago....


i wouldn't be so sure about that...
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Postby Citizen Baba » Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:25 am

I wish it weren't so.

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